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Post by talyn82 on Jul 4, 2021 21:31:27 GMT
I'm still kind of new to the Mass Effect section of the forum so I don't know what's unpopular. But this might be an unpopular opinion but I liked the Synthesis ending. The way EDI makes it sound is like the galaxy has experienced peace and an age of enlightenment. She made it sound like utopia and to me that's not a bad thing. The thing about utopias is that they tend to be lies. Well in my current playthrough I'm going for the Destroy ending. I will see how that is.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Jul 4, 2021 21:32:55 GMT
I'm still kind of new to the Mass Effect section of the forum so I don't know what's unpopular. But this might be an unpopular opinion but I liked the Synthesis ending. The way EDI makes it sound is like the galaxy has experienced peace and an age of enlightenment. She made it sound like utopia and to me that's not a bad thing. The thing about utopias is that they tend to be lies. Since all three endings end in various utopias, does that mean they are all lies? |
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Post by Son of Dorn on Jul 4, 2021 21:34:56 GMT
The thing about utopias is that they tend to be lies. Since all three endings end in various utopias, does that mean they are all lies? I'm talking about in general. |
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Post by SirSourpuss on Jul 4, 2021 21:42:55 GMT
Since all three endings end in various utopias, does that mean they are all lies? I wouldn't call refuse or destroy utopias. But at least in Destroy you are free of the Reapers. |
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Jul 4, 2021 21:59:31 GMT
Since all three endings end in various utopias, does that mean they are all lies? I'm talking about in general. I know. Since all three endings end in various utopias, does that mean they are all lies? I wouldn't call refuse or destroy utopias. But at least in Destroy you are free of the Reapers. The High EMS Destroy certainly acts like afterwards is a utopia, at least for most.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Jul 4, 2021 22:04:18 GMT
The High EMS Destroy certainly acts like afterwards is a utopia, at least for most. I definitely don't interpret it as such. Bioware might want to paint as such, to make people shut up about the endings, but the ramifications of it are far too dire to gloss over with a "it's going to be fine". The other options are even worse, in my opinion. |
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Post by themikefest on Jul 5, 2021 0:25:02 GMT
I'm still kind of new to the Mass Effect section of the forum so I don't know what's unpopular. But this might be an unpopular opinion but I liked the Synthesis ending. The way EDI makes it sound is like the galaxy has experienced peace and an age of enlightenment. She made it sound like utopia and to me that's not a bad thing. Did you know when choosing the red and blue, the player sees the soldiers cheering, and if green is chosen, they are not cheering? Did you know when Shepard asks thing if the reapers will be destroyed, and asks the reapers will obey me, it says yes, but when Shepard says there will be peace, in regards to the green, thing doesn't answer yes or no?
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Post by talyn82 on Jul 5, 2021 1:22:45 GMT
I'm still kind of new to the Mass Effect section of the forum so I don't know what's unpopular. But this might be an unpopular opinion but I liked the Synthesis ending. The way EDI makes it sound is like the galaxy has experienced peace and an age of enlightenment. She made it sound like utopia and to me that's not a bad thing. Did you know when choosing the red and blue, the player sees the soldiers cheering, and if green is chosen, they are not cheering? Did you know when Shepard asks thing if the reapers will be destroyed, and asks the reapers will obey me, it says yes, but when Shepard says there will be peace, in regards to the green, thing doesn't answer yes or no? To tell you the truth I don't remember what that AI said, the only thing I do remember was about changing dna. I did not know I could shoot the tube destroying it. So Shepard walked towards it. I expected to get some choices like destroy, synthesize, or control. So the synthesis ending was not my first choice of ending, I wanted to destroy the Reapers. I did notice that the soldiers weren't cheering but the way EDI described it, it did not sound that bad. I am replaying the games currently. Now that I know what to do I will destroy the Reapers.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Jul 5, 2021 4:29:04 GMT
Did you know when choosing the red and blue, the player sees the soldiers cheering, and if green is chosen, they are not cheering? Did you know when Shepard asks thing if the reapers will be destroyed, and asks the reapers will obey me, it says yes, but when Shepard says there will be peace, in regards to the green, thing doesn't answer yes or no? To tell you the truth I don't remember what that AI said, the only thing I do remember was about changing dna. I did not know I could shoot the tube destroying it. So Shepard walked towards it. I expected to get some choices like destroy, synthesize, or control. So the synthesis ending was not my first choice of ending, I wanted to destroy the Reapers. I did notice that the soldiers weren't cheering but the way EDI described it, it did not sound that bad. I am replaying the games currently. Now that I know what to do I will destroy the Reapers. Just know doing so will mean you commit genocide on all synthetics. The Geth, EDI, you’ll murder them all by shooting the tube. |
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Post by themikefest on Jul 5, 2021 4:45:19 GMT
To tell you the truth I don't remember what that AI said, the only thing I do remember was about changing dna. I did not know I could shoot the tube destroying it. So Shepard walked towards it. I expected to get some choices like destroy, synthesize, or control. So the synthesis ending was not my first choice of ending, I wanted to destroy the Reapers. I did notice that the soldiers weren't cheering but the way EDI described it, it did not sound that bad. I am replaying the games currently. Now that I know what to do I will destroy the Reapers. Just know doing so will mean you commit genocide on all synthetics. The Geth, EDI, you’ll murder them all by shooting the tube. How do you know he won't choose the quarians over the geth?
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Post by talyn82 on Jul 5, 2021 6:13:16 GMT
To tell you the truth I don't remember what that AI said, the only thing I do remember was about changing dna. I did not know I could shoot the tube destroying it. So Shepard walked towards it. I expected to get some choices like destroy, synthesize, or control. So the synthesis ending was not my first choice of ending, I wanted to destroy the Reapers. I did notice that the soldiers weren't cheering but the way EDI described it, it did not sound that bad. I am replaying the games currently. Now that I know what to do I will destroy the Reapers. Just know doing so will mean you commit genocide on all synthetics. The Geth, EDI, you’ll murder them all by shooting the tube. Wow that is heavy. When I played ME2 and destroyed a colony of 300,000 Batarians that weighed heavy on my Shepard. Don't know if my Paragon Shepard could do that.
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Post by themikefest on Jul 5, 2021 12:39:21 GMT
Just know doing so will mean you commit genocide on all synthetics. The Geth, EDI, you’ll murder them all by shooting the tube. Wow that is heavy. When I played ME2 and destroyed a colony of 300,000 Batarians that weighed heavy on my Shepard. Don't know if my Paragon Shepard could do that. Would you rather choose destroy or let the reapers win?
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Post by Monica21 on Jul 5, 2021 15:25:39 GMT
To tell you the truth I don't remember what that AI said, the only thing I do remember was about changing dna. I did not know I could shoot the tube destroying it. So Shepard walked towards it. I expected to get some choices like destroy, synthesize, or control. So the synthesis ending was not my first choice of ending, I wanted to destroy the Reapers. I did notice that the soldiers weren't cheering but the way EDI described it, it did not sound that bad. I am replaying the games currently. Now that I know what to do I will destroy the Reapers. Just know doing so will mean you commit genocide on all synthetics. The Geth, EDI, you’ll murder them all by shooting the tube. The alternatives are far worse.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Jul 5, 2021 15:35:47 GMT
Wow that is heavy. When I played ME2 and destroyed a colony of 300,000 Batarians that weighed heavy on my Shepard. Don't know if my Paragon Shepard could do that. Would you rather choose destroy or let the reapers win? The other endings aren’t letting the Reapers win. Heck Control is making them your slaves. Just know doing so will mean you commit genocide on all synthetics. The Geth, EDI, you’ll murder them all by shooting the tube. The alternatives are far worse. Refuse is, I agree. Only since it is a genocide of everyone. Control and Synthesis however are far better than Destroy. |
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Post by themikefest on Jul 5, 2021 16:56:20 GMT
Refuse is, I agree. Only since it is a genocide of everyone. Control and Synthesis however are far better than Destroy. Are they? I recently did a remaster trilogy run with the memorial wall completely filled with names. I had Samantha, though she was invisible, and Moreau in the memorial scene. I chose not to cure the genophage. I chose the geth over the quarians. I chose destroy. So the geth went bye, bye. I could have chosen the blue. Had I done more in the playthrough to get my ems high enough to get the green, the memorial would still be filled, but a few more characters would be in the memorial scene. The difference between blue and green from the red is whether or not the geth or quarians remain. So tell me how the green and blue are better? Both have the reapers remaining. That's no-go. The green has every organic with new dna being forced on them. The red wins because the reapers are destroyed. The galaxy can solve whatever problem it encounters without reaper interference.
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Post by talyn82 on Jul 5, 2021 18:02:04 GMT
Wow that is heavy. When I played ME2 and destroyed a colony of 300,000 Batarians that weighed heavy on my Shepard. Don't know if my Paragon Shepard could do that. Would you rather choose destroy or let the reapers win? According to EDI whose testament I am basing my opinion on, the Reapers and all species learn to co-exist at least according to EDI. She said the Reapers use all of their knowledge to help the species of the galaxy. Again this is according to EDI I'm not saying this she is.
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Post by TheEmptyRoad on Jul 5, 2021 23:22:37 GMT
I’ve got some.
Oleg Petrovsky > Aria T’Loak
Jacob was always a fling. He did not cheat on you, it was a one night stand/friends-with-benefits thing.
Liara is right about the Thane Romance “trying to take the place of a dying man’s wife”.
The Volus already have a seat on the Council, it’s the Turian Councilor. The Vol Protectorate is part of the Turian Hierarchy.
The Batarian Hegemony should have sold out to the Reapers and been the ‘other’ bad guys in ME3. Cerberus should have been an ally/War Asset.
Legion became indoctrinated after being used as an amplifier by the Reapers on Rannoch. It and the Geth do not deserve peace after allying with the Reapers (Even in desperation). Not valuable as war assets either, if the only reason they were putting up a fight against the Quarians was because of Reaper Code. There should have been an ‘Admiral Xen’ third option for the Quarians to hack them and control them.
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Post by gothpunkboy89 on Jul 6, 2021 0:59:52 GMT
Would you rather choose destroy or let the reapers win? According to EDI whose testament I am basing my opinion on, the Reapers and all species learn to co-exist at least according to EDI. She said the Reapers use all of their knowledge to help the species of the galaxy. Again this is according to EDI I'm not saying this she is. You will soon learn some people have a real axe to grind on certain subjects.
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Post by talyn82 on Jul 6, 2021 3:43:30 GMT
According to EDI whose testament I am basing my opinion on, the Reapers and all species learn to co-exist at least according to EDI. She said the Reapers use all of their knowledge to help the species of the galaxy. Again this is according to EDI I'm not saying this she is. You will soon learn some people have a real axe to grind on certain subjects. Yeah I know I had read in other posts about there feelings towards the Synthesis ending. That's why I posted here. 
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Post by dmc1001 on Jul 12, 2021 16:31:17 GMT
You will soon learn some people have a real axe to grind on certain subjects. Yeah I know I had read in other posts about there feelings towards the Synthesis ending. That's why I posted here.  Don't argue synthesis. It is the most controversial subject on these boards and never turns out well. I know where I stand but I don't dare mention it without it turning to shit. Unfortunately, I allow myself to go down pretty low in the discussions so best to avoid entirely.
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Post by talyn82 on Jul 12, 2021 18:00:19 GMT
Yeah I know I had read in other posts about there feelings towards the Synthesis ending. That's why I posted here. Don't argue synthesis. It is the most controversial subject on these boards and never turns out well. I know where I stand but I don't dare mention it without it turning to shit. Unfortunately, I allow myself to go down pretty low in the discussions so best to avoid entirely. Oh I know, I won't be getting into any arguments here. |
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Don't argue synthesis. It is the most controversial subject on these boards and never turns out well. I know where I stand but I don't dare mention it without it turning to shit. Unfortunately, I allow myself to go down pretty low in the discussions so best to avoid entirely. Oh I know, I won't be getting into any arguments here. Try them all... then try building Shepard's morality towards achieving, as logically as possible, each one of the particular ending decisions... why would this sort of Shepard possibly choose to do W over X, Y, or Z each time. Play again and see how having a low EMS vs. a high one changes things. Then... after all that... decide on your own favorite. If none feel satisfactory, consider using a mod. I have my own favorite ending... and my own reasons for it, but I can also play the game to at least somewhat logically rationalize any of them depending on what that Shepard believes about sentience, war, forms of government, and the tendencies of groups of people who don't inherently trust each other... synthetic and organic alike.
It's not the best set of endings in gamedom... but it certainly does not have to have one "canonized" to move the series forward. (IMHO only... no need to get into any arguments over it). Hope you enjoy your future playthroughs as much as I have enjoyed all of mine.
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Post by talyn82 on Jul 12, 2021 19:04:38 GMT
Oh I know, I won't be getting into any arguments here. Try them all... then try building Shepard's morality towards achieving, as logically as possible, each one of the particular ending decisions... why would this sort of Shepard possibly choose to do W over X, Y, or Z each time. Play again and see how having a low EMS vs. a high one changes things. Then... after all that... decide on your own favorite. If none feel satisfactory, consider using a mod. I have my own favorite ending... and my own reasons for it, but I can also play the game to at least somewhat logically rationalize any of them depending on what that Shepard believes about sentience, war, forms of government, and the tendencies of groups of people who don't inherently trust each other... synthetic and organic alike.
It's not the best set of endings in gamedom... but it certainly does not have to have one "canonized" to move the series forward. (IMHO only... no need to get into any arguments over it). Hope you enjoy your future playthroughs as much as I have enjoyed all of mine.
Yes, definitely I want to see all endings and possible outcomes. Right now I am on my second playthrough of ME2. I have one question though: What is EMS? i keep seeing this mentioned but I don't know what that is. I'm glad you've enjoyed your playthroughs as I have so far. Take care!
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Post by colfoley on Jul 12, 2021 19:05:54 GMT
Try them all... then try building Shepard's morality towards achieving, as logically as possible, each one of the particular ending decisions... why would this sort of Shepard possibly choose to do W over X, Y, or Z each time. Play again and see how having a low EMS vs. a high one changes things. Then... after all that... decide on your own favorite. If none feel satisfactory, consider using a mod. I have my own favorite ending... and my own reasons for it, but I can also play the game to at least somewhat logically rationalize any of them depending on what that Shepard believes about sentience, war, forms of government, and the tendencies of groups of people who don't inherently trust each other... synthetic and organic alike.
It's not the best set of endings in gamedom... but it certainly does not have to have one "canonized" to move the series forward. (IMHO only... no need to get into any arguments over it). Hope you enjoy your future playthroughs as much as I have enjoyed all of mine.
Yes, definitely I want to see all endings and possible outcomes. Right now I am on my second playthrough of ME2. I have one question though: What is EMS? i keep seeing this mentioned but I don't know what that is. I'm glad you've enjoyed your playthroughs as I have so far. Take care! Its your War Asset rating which effect the ending you get. You can check the physical number in the War Asset Terminal in the War Room....there is a lot of war going on in this sentence.
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Try them all... then try building Shepard's morality towards achieving, as logically as possible, each one of the particular ending decisions... why would this sort of Shepard possibly choose to do W over X, Y, or Z each time. Play again and see how having a low EMS vs. a high one changes things. Then... after all that... decide on your own favorite. If none feel satisfactory, consider using a mod. I have my own favorite ending... and my own reasons for it, but I can also play the game to at least somewhat logically rationalize any of them depending on what that Shepard believes about sentience, war, forms of government, and the tendencies of groups of people who don't inherently trust each other... synthetic and organic alike.
It's not the best set of endings in gamedom... but it certainly does not have to have one "canonized" to move the series forward. (IMHO only... no need to get into any arguments over it). Hope you enjoy your future playthroughs as much as I have enjoyed all of mine.
Yes, definitely I want to see all endings and possible outcomes. Right now I am on my second playthrough of ME2. I have one question though: What is EMS? i keep seeing this mentioned but I don't know what that is. I'm glad you've enjoyed your playthroughs as I have so far. Take care! Sorry, that's a term from the old ME3. It was a percentage of TMS (capped at 50% if you didn't raise it by playing ME3 multiplayer or later there was a website you could go to in order to raise it). When they released MELE and decided there was not going to be a multiplayer, they eliminated EMS and just made the ending requirements based on your TMS (total military strength) per the War Assets terminal. EMS stood for Effective Military Strength.
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