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Post by mikeymoonshine on Jun 12, 2017 0:56:55 GMT
Isn't Cyberpunk rumored to have multiplayer aswell? Also Bethesda is making a fremium game, or so the rumor says. The industry is changing boys and girls, not sure if its for the better, yet. True it is because they supposedly want to do everything with that game. I am not saying a good single player game cannot also have multiplayer. I am saying Bioware seems to be sacrificing single player more and more so they can focus on multiplayer.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 12, 2017 0:58:27 GMT
Isn't Cyberpunk rumored to have multiplayer aswell? Also Bethesda is making a fremium game, or so the rumor says. The industry is changing boys and girls, not sure if its for the better, yet. True it is because they supposedly want to do everything with that game. I am not saying a good single player game cannot also have multiplayer. I am saying Bioware seems to be sacrificing single player more and more so they can focus on multiplayer. Yeah, but Bioware had co-op in a few titles in the past, and that was great. I don't understand why it is a big deal now. Bioware is dead becaus they are returning to its roots of mech suits and having co-op? What? And in the interview with the game director he said to expect a Bioware story that you can experience alone or with friends. Again what is the issue as in the information we know right now?
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Post by armass81 on Jun 12, 2017 0:59:01 GMT
This could have been Ryder and crew wtf Looks so generic. Its like a 3rd person Destiny. Not intrested in slightest. Really they sacrficed ME series for THIS?
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Post by abaris on Jun 12, 2017 0:59:02 GMT
I hear what you are saying, but RPG also make a lot of money. For example, Skyrim, Fallout, Witcher games. And Mass effect has made a lot as well, more to justifying their development cycle. But adding MP is nothing more that milking their fan base with cheap repetitive game mode that is designed for a long grind for weapons/armor/items with the hope that people will get frustrated with that and spend real money to unlocking them. Point and case, I have 400+ in in ME3 MP and i still don't even have most of the ultra rare weapons. What makes it even more infuriating is the lack of effort going into their multiplayer. They're horde modes bare of any imagination. As opposed to other games, where I still don'>t feel like playing online, but where they provide different online experiences with different tasks. Such as GTAV.
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Post by decafhigh on Jun 12, 2017 1:01:17 GMT
True it is because they supposedly want to do everything with that game. I am not saying a good single player game cannot also have multiplayer. I am saying Bioware seems to be sacrificing single player more and more so they can focus on multiplayer. Yeah, but Bioware had co-op in a few titles in the past, and that was great. I don't understand why it is a big deal now. Bioware is dead becaus they are returning to its roots of mech suits and having co-op? What? Hey, if BW comes out and says "Yes Anthem is going to have a great 40-60 hour story campaign with great characters and companions and LI's and engaging story and everything BW is known for. Its not just a MP game." then I'll get more interested. That is not the impression I got from the trailer though.
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Post by midnight tea on Jun 12, 2017 1:01:32 GMT
It's quite transparent. RPGs just don't make enough money to justify their long development times. This is a prime reason why MEA MP is a big deal. That's where the money will come from. BioWare needs to justify its development costs and as a result is being directed to make some popular multiplayer games with longevity. In short, if you want good SP games, you'll have to put up with MP. Witcher 3 was successful no MP, also the same could be said of pretty much everything Bethesda does. Bethesda has created whole new studio and poured hundreds of millions to create a TES MMO. Very popular and successful I might add - I know, I've been playing it since 2014.
Times change. Formulas that worked before don't necessarily work anymore - and there's no doubt in anybody's mind that BW has made good money from ME3 multiplayer. Uh, I got sad news for you. Little birdies are chirping that Cyberpunk 2077 will have online component.
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Post by nastrodamus on Jun 12, 2017 1:01:43 GMT
Well I hope it pays off for them, moving into the saturated MP Shooter micro-transaction market. If it doesn't they are likely joining Westwood. Its going to be a long wait but at least I still have Cyberpunk to look forward to. Always Liked CD Projekt Red's time table. It's ready, when it's damn well ready. Well I'll at least have more money to pour into a new pc rig.
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Post by fchopin on Jun 12, 2017 1:04:23 GMT
The new Assassins Creed and State of Decay 2 also looked interesting so will see what happens.
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Post by setokaiba on Jun 12, 2017 1:05:16 GMT
Yeah, but Bioware had co-op in a few titles in the past, and that was great. I don't understand why it is a big deal now. Bioware is dead becaus they are returning to its roots of mech suits and having co-op? What? Hey, if BW comes out and says "Yes Anthem is going to have a great 40-60 hour story campaign with great characters and companions and LI's and engaging story and everything BW is known for. Its not just a MP game." then I'll get more interested. That is not the impression I got from the trailer though.
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Post by mikeymoonshine on Jun 12, 2017 1:11:01 GMT
True it is because they supposedly want to do everything with that game. I am not saying a good single player game cannot also have multiplayer. I am saying Bioware seems to be sacrificing single player more and more so they can focus on multiplayer. Again what is the issue as in the information we know right now? I said already that I would wait and see how this and DA4 turn out as have others who express the same concerns. This game is obviously focused on MP and exploration, I doubt the single player will be as good or that the story will be as good or as long as it would be in a single player focused game. It would be a pretty amazing feat if it was. My concern is that the trajectory of Bioware, away from what made them successful and beloved. All their games have exploration now because that made a lot of money for Bethesda, all their games have multiplayer now for the micro transactions. Edmonton could have made Andromeda but they were making this instead. It's just a bit worrying to me, My favourite Bioware games are Origins, DA2 and KOTOR. Obviously they have to change with the times and use new technologies but that doesn't have to mean abandoning everything that made them great to chase the success of other studios.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 12, 2017 1:15:23 GMT
Again what is the issue as in the information we know right now? I said already that I would wait and see how this and DA4 turn out as have others who express the same concerns. This game is obviously focused on MP and exploration, I doubt the single player will be as good or that the story will be as good or as long as it would be in a single player focused game. It would be a pretty amazing feat if it was. My concern is that the trajectory of Bioware, away from what made them successful and beloved. All their games have exploration now because that made a lot of money for Bethesda, all their games have multiplayer now for the micro transactions. Edmonton could have made Andromeda but they were making this instead. It's just a bit worrying to me, My favourite Bioware games are Origins, DA2 and KOTOR. Obviously they have to change with the times and use new technologies but that doesn't have to mean abandoning everything that made them great to chase the success of other studios. Well i remember a time where me and my brother created a band of heroes together in Baldurs Gate 1 and 2 and beat those games in co-op, and it was awesome. Later came Neverwinter Nights and offered the same. It is a feature i've missed dearly in Bioware games for many years. So i am actually stoked about that part. As for story? I am not worried. This game has a dedicated writing team, and there is no way in hell Bioware would ever step away from doing a cinematic and engaging story. If they do, i will eat my hat live on Twitch. I don't own one, so i will have to buy one. I get that people are wary, but i see it more as a return to roots then "hur dur copy other games" That is just me though. Let's see what Bethesda announces later.
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Post by midnight tea on Jun 12, 2017 1:18:17 GMT
I said already that I would wait and see how this and DA4 turn out as have others who express the same concerns. This game is obviously focused on MP and exploration, I doubt the single player will be as good or that the story will be as good or as long as it would be in a single player focused game. It would be a pretty amazing feat if it was. My concern is that the trajectory of Bioware, away from what made them successful and beloved. All their games have exploration now because that made a lot of money for Bethesda, all their games have multiplayer now for the micro transactions. Edmonton could have made Andromeda but they were making this instead. It's just a bit worrying to me, My favourite Bioware games are Origins, DA2 and KOTOR. Obviously they have to change with the times and use new technologies but that doesn't have to mean abandoning everything that made them great to chase the success of other studios. Well i remember a time where me and my brother created a band of heroes together in Baldurs Gate 1 and 2 and beat those games in co-op, and it was awesome. Later came Neverwinter Nights and offered the same. It is a feature i've missed dearly in Bioware games for many years. So i am actually stoked about that part. As for story? I am not worried. This game has a dedicated writing team, and there is no way in hell Bioware would ever step away from doing a cinematic and engaging story. If they do, i will eat my hat live on Twitch. I don't own one, so i will have to buy one. I get that people are vary, but i see it more as a return to roots then "hur dur copy other games" That is just me though. Let's see what Bethesda announces later. (If they announce TES VI, I'll jump through the roof)
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Post by fchopin on Jun 12, 2017 1:18:23 GMT
I said already that I would wait and see how this and DA4 turn out as have others who express the same concerns. This game is obviously focused on MP and exploration, I doubt the single player will be as good or that the story will be as good or as long as it would be in a single player focused game. It would be a pretty amazing feat if it was. My concern is that the trajectory of Bioware, away from what made them successful and beloved. All their games have exploration now because that made a lot of money for Bethesda, all their games have multiplayer now for the micro transactions. Edmonton could have made Andromeda but they were making this instead. It's just a bit worrying to me, My favourite Bioware games are Origins, DA2 and KOTOR. Obviously they have to change with the times and use new technologies but that doesn't have to mean abandoning everything that made them great to chase the success of other studios. Well i remember a time where me and my brother created a band of heroes together in Baldurs Gate 1 and 2 and beat those games in co-op, and it was awesome. Later came Neverwinter Nights and offered the same. It is a feature i've missed dearly in Bioware games for many years. So i am actually stoked about that part. As for story? I am not worried. This game has a dedicated writing team, and there is no way in hell Bioware would ever step away from doing a cinematic and engaging story. If they do, i will eat my hat live on Twitch. I don't own one, so i will have to buy one. I get that people are vary, but i see it more as a return to roots then "hur dur copy other games" That is just me though. Let's see what Bethesda announces later. I admire your confidence.
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Post by mikeymoonshine on Jun 12, 2017 1:19:10 GMT
Witcher 3 was successful no MP, also the same could be said of pretty much everything Bethesda does. Bethesda has created whole new studio and poured hundreds of millions to create a TES MMO. Very popular and successful I might add - I know, I've been playing it since 2014. Yes I am aware other studios do MP as well. Really? So can single player rpgs make money or can't they? Because I think we have established they can even in the current year. I KNOW. Again it's the trajectory I am concerned with not the existence of multiplayer. I have explained this several times in this thread already.
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Post by jimusmc on Jun 12, 2017 1:19:34 GMT
damn man i wish the real bioware team that created anthem did andromeda
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Post by KingDarious BBB on Jun 12, 2017 1:19:53 GMT
The game looks good but i'm probably not going to play it. In other news i'm hyped for Assassin's Creed Orgins
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Post by decafhigh on Jun 12, 2017 1:20:41 GMT
Well i remember a time where me and my brother created a band of heroes together in Baldurs Gate 1 and 2 and beat those games in co-op, and it was awesome. Later came Neverwinter Nights and offered the same. It is a feature i've missed dearly in Bioware games for many years. So i am actually stoked about that part. As for story? I am not worried. This game has a dedicated writing team, and there is no way in hell Bioware would ever step away from doing a cinematic and engaging story. If they do, i will eat my hat live on Twitch. I don't own one, so i will have to buy one. I get that people are vary, but i see it more as a return to roots then "hur dur copy other games" That is just me though. Let's see what Bethesda announces later. (If they announce TES VI, I'll jump through the roof) Why they start so late? Argh! Beth's E3 youtube channel
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Post by anacronian on Jun 12, 2017 1:22:19 GMT
Well i remember a time where me and my brother created a band of heroes together in Baldurs Gate 1 and 2 and beat those games in co-op, and it was awesome. Later came Neverwinter Nights and offered the same. It is a feature i've missed dearly in Bioware games for many years. So i am actually stoked about that part. As for story? I am not worried. This game has a dedicated writing team, and there is no way in hell Bioware would ever step away from doing a cinematic and engaging story. If they do, i will eat my hat live on Twitch. I don't own one, so i will have to buy one. I get that people are vary, but i see it more as a return to roots then "hur dur copy other games" That is just me though. Let's see what Bethesda announces later. (If they announce TES VI, I'll jump through the roof) Personally, I'm more excited to see if the rumored Starfield game is really a thing or just a rumor.
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Post by decafhigh on Jun 12, 2017 1:23:49 GMT
(If they announce TES VI, I'll jump through the roof) Personally, I'm more excited to see if the rumored Starfield game is really a thing or just a rumor. Yeah, pretty sure they already said there were two other IPs they are launching before we hear anything about the next TES. Pretty excited to see what they have in store. I wouldn't expect to hear about TES VI for a few years.
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Post by Lebanese Dude on Jun 12, 2017 1:28:56 GMT
In short, if you want good SP games, you'll have to put up with MP. Or kickstart independent studios. Which is what I am doing. Sure. Why not. The more RPGs the better. Dunno why it's always mutual exclusion with people.
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Post by jastall on Jun 12, 2017 1:30:11 GMT
Isn't Cyberpunk rumored to have multiplayer aswell? Also Bethesda is making a fremium game, or so the rumor says. The industry is changing boys and girls, not sure if its for the better, yet. Point being SP RPG can sell They can, sure. But multiplayer keeps the cash flowing. With SP games you release them, you maybe cash in on DLCs, then you stop making much money from it. You (financially) don't care that someone heard good things about Skyrim or TW3 and buys it 5 years down the line at 75% reduced price with all the DLCs than plays 300 hours because they find it an awesome game. You barely make any money from that. Whereas a multiplayer game (and the assorted microtransactions, obviously) keep raking in the dosh for as long as the game has a somewhat healthy playerbase, and unlike discounted sales on Steam or whatever, you reap the (quasi) full benefit from every dollar that people spend in your online store. I'm not saying I approve of this model and the money-gouging that comes from microtransactions in full-priced games, but there's a reason this model is popular, and it's because it brings in tons of money. I've heard the same rumors as the poster you quoted. Maybe they will be false, but if they aren't it's just these studios embracing the fact that multiplayer games just have a healthier cashflow than single-player ones.
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Post by dreman999 on Jun 12, 2017 1:32:25 GMT
Isn't Cyberpunk rumored to have multiplayer aswell? Also Bethesda is making a fremium game, or so the rumor says. The industry is changing boys and girls, not sure if its for the better, yet. True it is because they supposedly want to do everything with that game. I am not saying a good single player game cannot also have multiplayer. I am saying Bioware seems to be sacrificing single player more and more so they can focus on multiplayer. no they didn't. Any issue with special has nothing to do with the mp.
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Post by Sairys on Jun 12, 2017 1:33:00 GMT
Looks beautiful in terms of graphics, setting...and glad it's 3rd person...but definitely seems like a multi-player online game and that makes me very sad as I don't enjoy MP 😢😕 I'm right there with you. Beautiful, yea, talking to other people on headsets takes the immersion away, and immersion and escapism is what I love about single player RPG. There's a plethora of games out there to shoot 'em up with friends. I have zero interest in this one. And like someone else posted, it bothers me that they spent resources on this when they were shorting out on MEA. Just can't get into MP.
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Post by Sairys on Jun 12, 2017 1:35:39 GMT
Not much of a multiplayer guy, but that game sure does look purdy. MEA looked purty too when the first gameplay vids were teased to us.
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