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Post by themikefest on Jun 11, 2017 16:14:45 GMT
Oh EDI is capable, but it's because SAM does do it, it's more unnerving to some people. So why didn't the thing do that to the cat 6 guys if its capable of doing it?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 11, 2017 16:15:31 GMT
Oh EDI is capable, but it's because SAM does do it, it's more unnerving to some people. So why didn't the thing do that to the cat 6 guys if its capable of doing it? They had to give us a reason to keep her? lol
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Post by Atemporal Vanguardian-Debugger on Jun 11, 2017 16:18:50 GMT
So this is about AI's in Mass Effect series? If so you are missing two: Starbaby and Legion.
Personally though I would still choose neither of those and go with Legion.
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Post by genone on Jun 11, 2017 16:22:24 GMT
So this is about AI's in Mass Effect series? If so you are missing two: Starbaby and Legion. Personally though I would still choose neither of those and go with Legion. Not really about AI's in general. Just SAM and EDI, since they are the AI companions that are closest to the protagonist (Shep/Ryder).
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Post by steppinrazor on Jun 11, 2017 16:25:19 GMT
Oh, and my mind was blown when you find out EDI is that rogue AI from that mission on the moon base. That was so sweet!
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Post by Atemporal Vanguardian-Debugger on Jun 11, 2017 16:44:02 GMT
So this is about AI's in Mass Effect series? If so you are missing two: Starbaby and Legion. Personally though I would still choose neither of those and go with Legion. Not really about AI's in general. Just SAM and EDI, since they are the AI companions that are closest to the protagonist (Shep/Ryder). Close to? Don't understand.
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Post by Kaidan Fan on Jun 11, 2017 16:58:49 GMT
^^^^^^^^^^ I vote neither. Get rid of both of them!
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Post by genone on Jun 11, 2017 16:59:19 GMT
Not really about AI's in general. Just SAM and EDI, since they are the AI companions that are closest to the protagonist (Shep/Ryder). Close to? Don't understand. In terms of relationship. EDI is Shepard's AI buddy and SAM is Ryder's AI buddy.
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Post by themikefest on Jun 11, 2017 16:59:40 GMT
They had to give us a reason to keep her? lol Why would I want to keep the thing? Its really pathetic that a group, like cat 6, can shutdown the ships ai as easily as they did?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 11, 2017 17:00:45 GMT
They had to give us a reason to keep her? lol Why would I want to keep the thing? Its really pathetic that a group, like cat 6, can shutdown the ships ai as easily as they did? I never understood myself. I felt she was fine in ME2, but I felt by ME3 she was forced on me. As well as a very unused Squadmate that was wasting space imo.
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Post by themikefest on Jun 11, 2017 17:03:44 GMT
I never understood myself. I felt she was fine in ME2, but I felt by ME3 she was forced on me. As well as a very unused Squadmate that was wasting space imo. I agree with that. The hologram becoming a platform added nothing to ME3. I would rather have an ME2 squadmate on the roster
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Post by Deleted on Jun 11, 2017 17:05:24 GMT
I never understood myself. I felt she was fine in ME2, but I felt by ME3 she was forced on me. As well as a very unused Squadmate that was wasting space imo. I agree with that. The hologram becoming a platform added nothing to ME3. I would rather have an ME2 squadmate on the roster Same! Grunt if not Wrex. We seriously lacked a Krogan!
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Post by Kaidan Fan on Jun 11, 2017 17:11:28 GMT
I never understood myself. I felt she was fine in ME2, but I felt by ME3 she was forced on me. As well as a very unused Squadmate that was wasting space imo. I agree with that. The hologram becoming a platform added nothing to ME3. I would rather have an ME2 squadmate on the roster I would much rather have had any of the ME2 squad over EDI. I loved Jack, or even Miranda. I agree with that. The hologram becoming a platform added nothing to ME3. I would rather have an ME2 squadmate on the roster Same! Grunt if not Wrex. We seriously lacked a Krogan! Grunt and Wrex are okay, but (unpopular opinion time) I don't get all the Krogan love. See above: Give me Jack, Miranda or Mordin over EDI!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 11, 2017 17:12:49 GMT
I agree with that. The hologram becoming a platform added nothing to ME3. I would rather have an ME2 squadmate on the roster I would much rather have had any of the ME2 squad over EDI. I loved Jack, or even Miranda. Same! Grunt if not Wrex. We seriously lacked a Krogan! Grunt and Wrex are okay, but (unpopular opinion time) I don't get all the Krogan love. See above: Give me Jack, Miranda or Mordin over EDI! Just feels more rounded lol though Drack has topped all the Krogan for me.
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Post by Cyan_Griffonclaw on Jun 11, 2017 20:39:31 GMT
So this is about AI's in Mass Effect series? If so you are missing two: Starbaby and Legion. Personally though I would still choose neither of those and go with Legion. Legion. Holy cow. You're right. Legion recognized free will and chose to do what he did. Ugh. Legion deserves to be on the list.
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Post by Cyan_Griffonclaw on Jun 11, 2017 20:41:38 GMT
I never understood myself. I felt she was fine in ME2, but I felt by ME3 she was forced on me. As well as a very unused Squadmate that was wasting space imo. I agree with that. The hologram becoming a platform added nothing to ME3. I would rather have an ME2 squadmate on the roster Why not both? It's not like ME3 couldn't accomodate anymore. They should've had placeholders for cameos like Grunt, Miranda, Kasumi, etc. Oh well.
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Post by UutIVvdPw7END0Ef on Jun 11, 2017 20:53:26 GMT
Depends, which EDI are you comparing to? SAM is obviously more advanced, but ME3 EDI has a physical body and with Synthesis ending either match SAM or surpass him. But since The Arks left between ME2-3, EDI still not having a body or Synthesis, then SAM is better.
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Post by clips7 on Jun 11, 2017 20:58:09 GMT
Easily EDI....she was well written and even as the stereotypical sexbot, in ME3 there were times where she struggled trying to understand the basic fundamentals of human concepts and feelings. She was great on missions as she logically analyzed every scenario the party was in. Sam was just annoying...
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Post by Cyan_Griffonclaw on Jun 11, 2017 21:04:01 GMT
Depends, which EDI are you comparing to? SAM is obviously more advanced, but ME3 EDI has a physical body and with Synthesis ending either match SAM or surpass him. But since The Arks left between ME2-3, EDI still not having a body or Synthesis, then SAM is better. The correct answer is above. Well done UutIVvdPw7END0Ef (CTRL C, CTRL V have never been handier)
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Post by tehprincessj on Jun 11, 2017 21:07:13 GMT
I hated when they gave EDI a body. And when I heard about SAM before 'Andromeda' launched, I got a terrible Master Chief/Cortana feeling about the whole thing. But at the end of my first playthrough of the game I realized that I really do love SAM. I'm hoping that the Ryder twins return in future sequels, and SAM with them.
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Post by Cyan_Griffonclaw on Jun 11, 2017 21:07:43 GMT
I would much rather have had any of the ME2 squad over EDI. I loved Jack, or even Miranda. Grunt and Wrex are okay, but (unpopular opinion time) I don't get all the Krogan love. See above: Give me Jack, Miranda or Mordin over EDI! Just feels more rounded lol though Drack has topped all the Krogan for me. Of my time in Andromeda, I love Drack the most. I feel like he's a grizzled old veteran like Zaeed who now has a young protege forced under his wing. At least, that's how I interpreted it. If loyalty had points, he had all of mine.
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Post by Cyan_Griffonclaw on Jun 11, 2017 21:30:27 GMT
I agree with that. The hologram becoming a platform added nothing to ME3. I would rather have an ME2 squadmate on the roster I would much rather have had any of the ME2 squad over EDI. I loved Jack, or even Miranda. Same! Grunt if not Wrex. We seriously lacked a Krogan! Grunt and Wrex are okay, but (unpopular opinion time) I don't get all the Krogan love. See above: Give me Jack, Miranda or Mordin over EDI! Okay? Just okay. Let me explain why your opinion is unpopular. (thanks Kaidan for my attempt in debating) #1. Genophage. Both are product of this devastating, cold and calculating virus (disease? something bad...) that the Salarians engineered to cull their numbers. The Krogan were uplifted way too soon and never given the chance to work out their own path in the stars (Mordin explained this brilliantly.) In many ways, the Krogan are a cautionary tale of taking a species too far too soon without accepting all the variables involved. #2. The Rachni Wars. The Rachni war was bringing the Alliance races to a breaking point and they uplifted the Krogan (there is a statue on the Citadel) to turn their fortunes. Ever see any other race have their statue up in the Citadel? #3 You're seeing the Krogan at their worst, not their best. They're broken, they lack direction and individually, they are sole powerhouses. As a group, they own battlefields. However, everyone is wary of the Krogan. It is better to hire them out as a bouncer here, a merc leader there, a guard for this rich guy, etc. They were once grand builders if you can look past the rubble on Tuchanka. They were artistic and to some extent, some poetry still exists, but it's exceedingly rare. #4 Redemption. Wrex, Grunt, and Drack all earned my loyalty. They knew that the only real road to redemption was the hard one. Saren's cloning facility was a cheap way and it got nuked. Grunt was a solution through spirit and not through science or a syringe. The Krogan are to be respected for their strength and their new found will. However, they're the best friends you can have at your back and trust them when it matters.
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Post by Kaidan Fan on Jun 11, 2017 22:59:50 GMT
I would much rather have had any of the ME2 squad over EDI. I loved Jack, or even Miranda. Grunt and Wrex are okay, but (unpopular opinion time) I don't get all the Krogan love. See above: Give me Jack, Miranda or Mordin over EDI! Okay? Just okay. Let me explain why your opinion is unpopular. (thanks Kaidan for my attempt in debating) #1. Genophage. Both are product of this devastating, cold and calculating virus (disease? something bad...) that the Salarians engineered to cull their numbers. The Krogan were uplifted way too soon and never given the chance to work out their own path in the stars (Mordin explained this brilliantly.) In many ways, the Krogan are a cautionary tale of taking a species too far too soon without accepting all the variables involved. #2. The Rachni Wars. The Rachni war was bringing the Alliance races to a breaking point and they uplifted the Krogan (there is a statue on the Citadel) to turn their fortunes. Ever see any other race have their statue up in the Citadel? #3 You're seeing the Krogan at their worst, not their best. They're broken, they lack direction and individually, they are sole powerhouses. As a group, they own battlefields. However, everyone is wary of the Krogan. It is better to hire them out as a bouncer here, a merc leader there, a guard for this rich guy, etc. They were once grand builders if you can look past the rubble on Tuchanka. They were artistic and to some extent, some poetry still exists, but it's exceedingly rare. #4 Redemption. Wrex, Grunt, and Drack all earned my loyalty. They knew that the only real road to redemption was the hard one. Saren's cloning facility was a cheap way and it got nuked. Grunt was a solution through spirit and not through science or a syringe. The Krogan are to be respected for their strength and their new found will. However, they're the best friends you can have at your back and trust them when it matters. I actually like Drack, tyvm I just don't love them (the Krogan) like most do. I have many reasons, but my hands don't allow me to type long responses often anymore, sorry about that P.S. Also, this is an AI thread, not Krogan one
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Post by Cyan_Griffonclaw on Jun 11, 2017 23:04:07 GMT
Okay? Just okay. Let me explain why your opinion is unpopular. (thanks Kaidan for my attempt in debating) #1. Genophage. Both are product of this devastating, cold and calculating virus (disease? something bad...) that the Salarians engineered to cull their numbers. The Krogan were uplifted way too soon and never given the chance to work out their own path in the stars (Mordin explained this brilliantly.) In many ways, the Krogan are a cautionary tale of taking a species too far too soon without accepting all the variables involved. #2. The Rachni Wars. The Rachni war was bringing the Alliance races to a breaking point and they uplifted the Krogan (there is a statue on the Citadel) to turn their fortunes. Ever see any other race have their statue up in the Citadel? #3 You're seeing the Krogan at their worst, not their best. They're broken, they lack direction and individually, they are sole powerhouses. As a group, they own battlefields. However, everyone is wary of the Krogan. It is better to hire them out as a bouncer here, a merc leader there, a guard for this rich guy, etc. They were once grand builders if you can look past the rubble on Tuchanka. They were artistic and to some extent, some poetry still exists, but it's exceedingly rare. #4 Redemption. Wrex, Grunt, and Drack all earned my loyalty. They knew that the only real road to redemption was the hard one. Saren's cloning facility was a cheap way and it got nuked. Grunt was a solution through spirit and not through science or a syringe. The Krogan are to be respected for their strength and their new found will. However, they're the best friends you can have at your back and trust them when it matters. I actually like Drack, tyvm I just don't love them (the Krogan) like most do. I have many reasons, but my hands don't allow me to type long responses often anymore, sorry about that P.S. Also, this is an AI thread, not Krogan one Well played. Bowing out now...
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Post by KingDarious BBB on Jun 12, 2017 1:09:03 GMT
Not a huge fan of either but i'll take EDI over SAM any day of the week.
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