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Post by derrame on Jun 13, 2017 13:36:58 GMT
MEA was bad and most people only complaint i was complaining, but now it's over, i play mp sometims and that's it, the sp sucks, is dull, boring , tedious
so, Bioware has a new game, it's ok to concentrate on it and release a good new game
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Post by setokaiba on Jun 13, 2017 13:37:11 GMT
Both statements are incredible stupid. I for one can't remember having a beer and a friendly chat with any Bioware developer or EA suit. They are companies producing entertainment software. They're not our friends, lovers or deserving of any other emotional connotation. They're producers and the customer likes what they're producing or they don't. It's the positive and negative fanboyism that really irks me. It drowns out many otherwise constructive criticism. Sorry to burst your depersonalization defense for treating them horribly; but companies are comprised of actual people.(besides Goldman Sachs) Fixed
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Post by Cyan_Griffonclaw on Jun 13, 2017 13:39:33 GMT
EA is the fast food of gaming. Quite literally. And they're using Frostbite as their menu maker. Developer 1: "AW COME ON!!! This script is never going to work for that. Look what's it doing over here!?!" EA Suit: (says nothing, points to calendar and clock) Developer 2: "I fixed the scripts. Where are the mo-cap animations?" EA Suit: (says nothing, points to a map, specifically Austria) Developer 3: "I have time to work on animations, I can help." EA suit: (says nothing, points to production schedule) Developer 3: "I really can help. I can get it fixed. Where are my leads?" EA suit: (says nothing.) Customer: "I just want a polished product... yo..." Developers 1-3: "We're trying. OH MAKER HELP US!" EA suit: (says nothing, counting customer's money) Maybe, it's over simplified, but yeah... I feel for these developers. Go Anthem! Rah, rah, rah, I guess. I'm not going to prejudge it. Just voting with my wallet and listening to word of mouth because it still matters.
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Post by reighto on Jun 13, 2017 13:40:09 GMT
I meant no disrespect towards anyone that doesn't like multiplayer. Just didn't expect so many to disregard the game because it's multiplayer.
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Post by abaris on Jun 13, 2017 13:41:35 GMT
Sorry to burst your depersonalization defense for treating them horribly; but companies are comprised of actual people. Do you extend that same kind of appreciation to the producers of your tv set, your computer, your phone, the last movie you've seen? They shouldn't suffer abuse. That's for sure. But they're not our friends either but employees of a company that want to sell a product and go where their market research says the money is.
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Post by setokaiba on Jun 13, 2017 13:41:35 GMT
MEA was bad and most people only complaint i was complaining, but now it's over, i play mp sometims and that's it, the sp sucks, is dull, boring , tedious so, Bioware has a new game, it's ok to concentrate on it and release a good new game I think it more about how ME got the "c" team with no direction and experience to make it over Bioware A or B team. I'm fine with them promoting their new IP but I can't help but wonder what could have been with MEA.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 13, 2017 13:43:47 GMT
Sorry to burst your depersonalization defense for treating them horribly; but companies are comprised of actual people.(besides Goldman Sachs) Fixed I'm not American so your reference really has no meaning. I suspect even Goldman Sachs has many junior employees though.
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Post by dmc1001 on Jun 13, 2017 13:45:57 GMT
I meant no disrespect towards anyone that doesn't like multiplayer. Just didn't expect so many to disregard the game because it's multiplayer. Why? If MP holds no interest for a person - as is the case for me - why would I go play it? I didn't play MP in ME3 or MEA. I have avoided MMO games for as long as they've been out. Don't play SW:TOR, despite being a huge KOTOR fan. Didn't play Elder Scrolls Online, despite loving that franchise. Why should I do differently here? Even if I were interested, I have such a shitty internet connection (drops at random, can be incredibly slow at times) that it would work against me. Also, from the very little experience I've had with online gaming, I've found that people can be such assholes that I have little interest in playing games alongside them. So, yeah, I'm rejecting MP.
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Post by maximusarael020 on Jun 13, 2017 13:50:19 GMT
Not reading the article because I'm boycotting the media... whose motivations for a long time now have been to stir up trouble and garner clicks for themselves. I absolutely don't begrudge Bioware for moving into a different area of development. Their former RPG fans are clearly not going to allow them to make a living doing what they've done well for the last couple of decades and they need to feed their families just like everyone else. I really wish them the best in their endeavor and will simply assess whether or not it's a game that interests me only after it is released. I have absolutely no intention of following all the negativity on these forums down that path again with this new game. Can you imagine what a relief it must be for the Bioware people working on Anthem to have it have such a great showing at E3? For it to be included in pretty much every "Best of E3" video I've seen, touted as one of the only really interesting new games to come out at this E3? It must feel amazing, after every Bioware product since (and including) ME2 has been met with vitriol and hate? "ME2 is too little of an RPG! ME3 Endings aaaaahhhhh! DAI is too empty! DA2 sucks! MEA is made by SJW's!! My face is tired!" Then they come out with Anthem and people are just saying "Wow! Looks pretty cool! Great visuals! Could be fun!" I know not everyone is saying that, because some people are rabid Bioware "fans" and complain because they made a game not catered to the community that has given them nothing but grief for the last decade. I think what they've done with Anthem is leave an abusive relationship.
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Post by LilTIM on Jun 13, 2017 13:52:09 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jun 13, 2017 13:57:05 GMT
Sorry to burst your depersonalization defense for treating them horribly; but companies are comprised of actual people. Do you extend that same kind of appreciation to the producers of your tv set, your computer, your phone, the last movie you've seen? They shouldn't suffer abuse. That's for sure. But they're not our friends either but employees of a company that want to sell a product and go where their market research says the money is. I don't hate on the company (and it's employees) that produces my TV for moving on to produce microwaves and what not because the sales of their latest iteration of TV fell flat. I don't even hate on the upper management for making such decisions on behalf of their employees... you know, so they don't go broke and have to lay a bunch off for that reason. Some of my friends are indeed CEOs of companies or otherwise in upper management... and I know that most of them really care about their staff and that influences the decisions they make regarding corporate direction.
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Post by abaris on Jun 13, 2017 13:57:44 GMT
I think what they've done with Anthem is leave an abusive relationship. There never was a relationship other than between them and your wallet. Maybe I'm the exception but I can like or dislike something without dragging it kicking and screaming to a personal level. I never rooted for some sports team or star, I like certain directors because they usually produce decent movies, I like certain game studios because they usually produce decent games. But that's it. If they're catering now to a different demographic it's because of economics. I certainly don't bash them for that and I certainly don't be up in tears because of relationship issues. Talking about relationships. I would say there's much more between companies kickstarting their games and their players than with so called AAA titles that are funded by even larger companies expecting x amount of revenue. But still, even then it's a business relationship and not a personal one. The only difference being that prospective players are funding the games and not some big publisher.
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Post by ross42899 on Jun 13, 2017 13:59:56 GMT
Yes. I do. I don't care about Anthem at all. Doesn't look interesting to me. Not my usual type of game. I would like to see more MEA (DLC and/or MEA2) instead of Anthem.
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Post by Cyan_Griffonclaw on Jun 13, 2017 14:04:57 GMT
No Kotaku link? Sorry, not legit. A Univision product. I'm in Texas (North Democratic Mexico, to some) and most of their news is "colorful?" I like watching their news because nobody puts that kind of breast exposure on TV. The Housewives of (where ever, my wife loves this garbage) don't have hips and breasts like their top anchors or meteorologists. Univision tries to be serious and it has scooped stories from other media outlets, but most of the time, they're parrots with big breasts that are about to show some nipple. Yeah, I sound like a creepy ogre, but that's the truth.
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Can you imagine what a relief it must be for the Bioware people working on Anthem to have it have such a great showing at E3? For it to be included in pretty much every "Best of E3" video I've seen, touted as one of the only really interesting new games to come out at this E3? It must feel amazing, after every Bioware product since (and including) ME2 has been met with vitriol and hate? "ME2 is too little of an RPG! ME3 Endings aaaaahhhhh! DAI is too empty! DA2 sucks! MEA is made by SJW's!! My face is tired!" Then they come out with Anthem and people are just saying "Wow! Looks pretty cool! Great visuals! Could be fun!" I know not everyone is saying that, because some people are rabid Bioware "fans" and complain because they made a game not catered to the community that has given them nothing but grief for the last decade. I think what they've done with Anthem is leave an abusive relationship. Yes because screwing over the guys that cared and enjoyed their RPG games until now by minimizing support and putting on hold a beloved franchise, proved that the rabid haters were totally wrong.
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Post by maximusarael020 on Jun 13, 2017 14:09:28 GMT
I think what they've done with Anthem is leave an abusive relationship. There never was a relationship other than between them and your wallet. Maybe I'm the exception but I can like or dislike something without dragging it kicking and screaming to a personal level. I never rooted for some sports team or star, I like certain directors because they usually produce decent movies, I like certain game studios because they usually produce decent games. But that's it. If they're catering now to a different demographic it's because of economics. I certainly don't bash them for that and I certainly don't be up in tears because of relationship issues. Talking about relationships. I would say there's much more between companies kickstarting their games and their players than with so called AAA titles that are funded by even larger companies expecting x amount of revenue. But still, even then it's a business relationship and not a personal one. The only difference being that prospective players are funding the games and not some big publisher. Well, you can feel that way if you wish. But I think it's obvious from about every post on the forums that people form personal connections to games like this. Video games, especially ones with deep stories, romance options, companions, etc are art. People are going to feel emotionally attached to those characters, because that's how they are written. It's like an interactive novel. So for games like this, it's more than just a "They produce the product, I buy the product, end of relationship" type of relationship. This isn't FIFA or Madden '17 or whatever. These are characters and settings that we've grown to love, because they were written to induce an emotional response. And Bioware wasn't a AAA studio when they created the Mass Effect universe, either. There used to be a lot of back and forth between the fans and the devs in those early days. Less now, but still some. The point is, your feelings about Mass Effect will obviously be different from buying a TV, toaster, car, etc, because of the medium. It's not all just producing company and customer. There's an interplay. Anyway, you can feel emotionally detached from the series, all games, and everything. That doesn't really matter. What matters is that millions of people do feel emotionally attached, and with good reason. However, those attachments, and the anonymity of the internet, allowed them to go to far with things like death threats, hate mail, etc. Those are all terrible ways to express oneself, but that's what happened. And from interviews we know that the fan response, especially to ME3, caused psychological harm to those working on the game. They said they needed counseling after. So there's obviously some kind of relationship, and I don't begrudge them for wanting to have left Bioware RPG fans behind because the people making the game got harassed for every little thing. I want more Mass Effect. I enjoyed MEA. But I can see why they'd want to move on to something fresh, something without people screaming "SJW's!!" at them on Twitter every 2 minutes.
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Post by maximusarael020 on Jun 13, 2017 14:13:44 GMT
Can you imagine what a relief it must be for the Bioware people working on Anthem to have it have such a great showing at E3? For it to be included in pretty much every "Best of E3" video I've seen, touted as one of the only really interesting new games to come out at this E3? It must feel amazing, after every Bioware product since (and including) ME2 has been met with vitriol and hate? "ME2 is too little of an RPG! ME3 Endings aaaaahhhhh! DAI is too empty! DA2 sucks! MEA is made by SJW's!! My face is tired!" Then they come out with Anthem and people are just saying "Wow! Looks pretty cool! Great visuals! Could be fun!" I know not everyone is saying that, because some people are rabid Bioware "fans" and complain because they made a game not catered to the community that has given them nothing but grief for the last decade. I think what they've done with Anthem is leave an abusive relationship. Yes because screwing over the guys that cared and enjoyed their RPG games until now by minimizing support and putting on hold a beloved franchise, proved that the rabid haters were totally wrong. I think you missed the point. The point was that they focused on Anthem to avoid the "fans" that never give them a moments' rest.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 13, 2017 14:16:51 GMT
Yes because screwing over the guys that cared and enjoyed their RPG games until now by minimizing support and putting on hold a beloved franchise, proved that the rabid haters were totally wrong. I think you missed the point. The point was that they focused on Anthem to avoid the "fans" that never give them a moments' rest. No I nailed the point in head. By focusing on Anthem and treating ME like a second rate game, they gave the middle finger to those fans (without "") that all in all actually enjoyed their previous experiences and tried to defend the good in them against the haters.
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Post by abaris on Jun 13, 2017 14:17:45 GMT
However, those attachments, and the anonymity of the internet, allowed them to go to far with things like death threats, hate mail, etc. Yeah, well that's what I'm trying to point out. The positive and negative fanboyism. Positive in a see no evil, hear no evil way. And negative in the way of resorting to death threats, which takes it to a level of dangerous nutjobbery. Both are completely alien sentiments to me. If I don't like a product, I attack the product not the ones working on it. It's scary to me that people can all get worked up over something like a game, music, sports, movies. There's always the last product these people obviously liked. And if the new one isn't to their liking, there's no obligation to buy it as there's no reason to go over the edge when something doesn't turn out quite right in their imaginations. Same goes for these hold the line people, only less dangerous than anyone actually issuing death threats to a person. I can feel disappointment too, you know. I feel a lot of it over how MEA turned out to be. But never, never would I attack any person who worked on the game. Only what I feel went wrong with the game.
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Post by brandoftime on Jun 13, 2017 14:18:47 GMT
Love it or hate it, it's bad PR to trot out this hi tech title and wave it in our faces after the debacle that happened only 3 months previously with MEA. It's shitty PR. With so many of us wondering where Mass Effect is headed at this point and they reveal the next gen in gaming that's just a clone of Destiny. One guy said, oh well I didn't know Destiny 3 would be coming out so fast So, ultimately, I think Anthem would have gone over better if their PR was better. Come clean with us EA/Bioware. What are your plans for MEA past patching the game? I really, really don't want what amounts to a thumb in the eye while you show off next year's model or whatever. Showing off the missing depth of world that could have, indeed should have been in MEA. We have three nearly identical deserts, and they are apparently capable of lush *gasp* foliage! Wow, whoulda thunk? In MEA we got to race in the Nomad through the only green area of the game, Meridian and not a chance of actually exploring it? Hm. So, no, not really liking the impression that comes with seeing Anthem Dylan get what we all hope to see in Mass Effect.
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Post by maximusarael020 on Jun 13, 2017 14:21:12 GMT
However, those attachments, and the anonymity of the internet, allowed them to go to far with things like death threats, hate mail, etc. Yeah, well that's what I'm trying to point out. The positive and negative fanboyism. Positive in a see no evil, hear no evil way. And negative in the way of resorting to death threats, which takes it to a level of dangerous nutjobbery. Both are completely alien sentiments to me. If I don't like a product, I attack the product not the ones working on it. It's scary to me that people can all get worked up over something like a game, music, sports, movies. There's always the last product these people obviously liked. And if the new one isn't to their liking, there's no obligation to buy it as there's no reason to go over the edge when something doesn't turn out quite right in their imaginations. Same goes for these hold the line people, only less dangerous than anyone actually issuing death threats to a person. I can feel disappointment too, you know. I feel a lot of it over how MEA turned out to be. But never, never would I attack any person who worked on the game. Only what I feel went wrong with the game. 👍
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Post by maximusarael020 on Jun 13, 2017 14:24:51 GMT
I think you missed the point. The point was that they focused on Anthem to avoid the "fans" that never give them a moments' rest. No I nailed the point in head. By focusing on Anthem and treating ME like a second rate game, they gave the middle finger to those fans (without "") that all in all actually enjoyed their previous experiences and tried to defend the good in them against the haters. Sure, but those actual fans that enjoyed their games didn't stop all the baseless criticism that sent them to counseling. Sometimes you just have to look out for your own mental and emotional well-being. You are suggesting that they should have just stuck it out through death threats and angry tweets and online petitions that sent them to COUNSELING because of the people who enjoyed it rather than moving on to something else where they could be actually happy? That's pretty selfish.
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No I nailed the point in head. By focusing on Anthem and treating ME like a second rate game, they gave the middle finger to those fans (without "") that all in all actually enjoyed their previous experiences and tried to defend the good in them against the haters. Sure, but those actual fans that enjoyed their games didn't stop all the baseless criticism that sent them to counseling. Sometimes you just have to look out for your own mental and emotional well-being. You are suggesting that they should have just stuck it out through death threats and angry tweets and online petitions that sent them to COUNSELING because of the people who enjoyed it rather than moving on to something else where they could be actually happy? That's pretty selfish. To me leaving a project when things get difficult is not only disrespectful to those that believed in that project but it's outright coward and selfish towards the people that bought and supported with their hard earned money your product. I don't want to jump the gun yet but if we don't get any additional content for MEA then it is quite clear that they really don't care about the franchise. I want to believe we will get more content but frankly if they don't not care about ME, it would be more honest to sell it to other studios that have the ideas and courage to deliver a better experience. We shall see.
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Post by FemShepard'sPie on Jun 13, 2017 14:33:03 GMT
yes, they replaced everything that was MEA with Anthem, facebok, twitter, news, etc Whoa. You're right. And it's interesting in the web scroll they have DAI second and MEA third... Even more curious is the site describing Anthem as an action RPG when Andrew Wilson said it wasn't an RPG but an action adventure. Very interesting....
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Post by abaris on Jun 13, 2017 14:40:57 GMT
To me leaving a project when things get difficult is not only disrespectful to those that believed in that project but it's outright coward and selfish towards the people that bought and supported with their hard earned money your product. I don't want to jump the gun yet but if we don't get any additional content for MEA then it is quite clear that they really don't care about the franchise. I want to believe we will get more content but frankly if they don't not care about ME, it would be more honest to sell it to other studios that have the ideas and courage to deliver a better experience. We shall see. That's you having a romantic view of what the gaming industry is about. I'm disappointed by what MEA turned out to be, but they went through the motions to give us a playable game that isn't all bad. It's an average game for sure, but it's fun playing it for the first time. That I don't feel the same itch for replaying it as I felt with different Bioware titles is written on a different page. The game industry, just as every other industry answers to revenue. If their market research says that there's more money to be made elsewhere, they move in the indicated direction. There's nothing cowardly or selfish about that. It's just business as usual and they are under no obligations of adding to this last game, other than ironing the obvious flaws. There's still something to do and according to Gamble they're doing it, but that's about all there is in terms of customer care.
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