Logain Mac Tir Thread - "The traitor Teyrn. Yes. I've heard all the names"

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I play my games the way it pleases me to play them. And I see the side of the characters the game presents me with. Anora is untrustworthy and unlikable in my game. So is Loghain. So far as I am concerned, both are unfit for any position of authority.

I've only spared Loghain once and doing so didn't make me like him any better; worse actually. He constantly tries to exit conversations like every forced word costs him a few coppers and even dimisses the notion of him killing his daughter to preserve his power as absurd despite his apparent lack of limits otherwise on what he'd do to preserve it.

I just can't fathom anyone who actually was in their warden's shoes sparing him when they had to sneak from place to place to avoid Loghain's swords for 2 years, kill knights who believed Loghain's slander that you did what he actually did or killing desperate civilians trying to get his reward, witness his enslaving of his own people to fund his civil war, survive his assassination attempts on you and those you know/encounter, him lying directly to your face that you betrayed the king at Ostagar when you both know he's full of shit, his inability to own up to what he did there (justified or not), his unwillingness to "surrender" until he's completely and utterly lost everything just to save his own life, having to watch Ferelden crumble because Loghain crowned himself over narcissism...

God, there's probably many more reasons if I bothered thinking about it. No, I just can't understand or believe people would realistically ever defend him to the extent many players do when it's only a game character. Also, once you've become desensitized to the idea of sparing him after subsequent playthroughs, I suspect it becomes easier for many. It's a similar situation to sparing Anders or rerecruting Blackwall. On first playthroughs, the wounds are still "fresh" enough that looking past what they did is much harder. Once you see it coming and remember it's merely a game plot, it becomes easier to rationalize more merciful protagonists who'd overlook the emotions they'd realistically be feeling.

Hah yes! My favourite argument, Anders isn't better than Loghain

They are less guilty but Loghain is better than everyone!

I'm not the only one? Yay!

I love Loghain, he's one of the best characters in the whole series (if you read the stolen throne first). His cameo in DAI is fantastic too, even if you don't like him I'd urge everyone playing DAI more than once to have Loghain spared. Just once. For he is magnificent.

He is also the only one that makes sense in runaway warden concept. Unlike Stroud and Alistair, Wardens have a reason for not trusting Loghain

Why would I surrender? Blight will overtake the world while all the nobles playing their power games. 

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Meh, they have obligatory put in gaol time in dwarven story, BG2, kotor2, Awakening, SWTOR and Inquisiton. If there is an option to not have to go through being stripped of gear and do the extra section of fighting guards in the dungeon, I am all for it. Besides, it implies that you know you will be rescued, and it's a huge leap of faith. And, with Anora luring you in with pretence that she is on your side, and betraying you, the only reason to try to deal with that family on reasonable terms is gone.

I don't have Morrigan in any of my PTs & never will.

What do you think of his decision to incriminate the grey wardens?