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Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2017 3:08:03 GMT
It's in one of the decrypted entries on his computer. I don't think it was Liara yet though. That doesn't happen until the Arks have already left. I remember the one where the SB says he can get stuff for a price even AI tech but it will cost more. Is that the one? Yeah that's the one. My guess is the SB played a part in helping make it happen, and the Benefactor likely pulled strings so they would accept the SAM's. Alec was in such deep stuff I bet if he hadn't died saving Ryder, he would have been targeted like Garson was. I also think Reyes is somehow involved since he is not coming out of the shadows even after things are better. During the Uprising something happened and we still don't know what, but it might have been connected to the Benefactor besides the Exiles.
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Post by dazk on Jun 28, 2017 3:42:27 GMT
I remember the one where the SB says he can get stuff for a price even AI tech but it will cost more. Is that the one? Yeah that's the one. My guess is the SB played a part in helping make it happen, and the Benefactor likely pulled strings so they would accept the SAM's. Alec was in such deep stuff I bet if he hadn't died saving Ryder, he would have been targeted like Garson was. I also think Reyes is somehow involved since he is not coming out of the shadows even after things are better. During the Uprising something happened and we still don't know what, but it might have been connected to the Benefactor besides the Exiles. Totally agree, Reyes is intriguing as I think the way he plays the Charlatan maybe a reflection of him being played the same way by the Benefactor if that makes sense. That is he acts for the Benefactor without knowing who said Benefactor (The Geth or SAM) is and was probably the one to kill Jien. Well that's my theory anyway. I just don't see him as the Benefactor, just don't see how he could pull the resources together to help fund SAM and the AI.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2017 3:45:34 GMT
Yeah that's the one. My guess is the SB played a part in helping make it happen, and the Benefactor likely pulled strings so they would accept the SAM's. Alec was in such deep stuff I bet if he hadn't died saving Ryder, he would have been targeted like Garson was. I also think Reyes is somehow involved since he is not coming out of the shadows even after things are better. During the Uprising something happened and we still don't know what, but it might have been connected to the Benefactor besides the Exiles. Totally agree, Reyes is intriguing as I think the way he plays the Charlatan maybe a reflection of him being played the same way by the Benefactor if that makes sense. That is he acts for the Benefactor without knowing who said Benefactor (The Geth or SAM) is and was probably the one to kill Jien. Well that's my theory anyway. I just don't see him as the Benefactor, just don't see how he could pull the resources together to help fund SAM and the AI. I think Reyes killed Garson too. He's not the Benefactor, but running from them because now that Jien and Alec are gone, he's the last loose end. That's my take on it!
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Post by dazk on Jun 28, 2017 3:55:03 GMT
Totally agree, Reyes is intriguing as I think the way he plays the Charlatan maybe a reflection of him being played the same way by the Benefactor if that makes sense. That is he acts for the Benefactor without knowing who said Benefactor (The Geth or SAM) is and was probably the one to kill Jien. Well that's my theory anyway. I just don't see him as the Benefactor, just don't see how he could pull the resources together to help fund SAM and the AI. I think Reyes killed Garson too. He's not the Benefactor, but running from them because now that Jien and Alec are gone, he's the last loose end. That's my take on it! Or maybe he is safe as The Benefactor still needs to influence events directly? Some of Reyes comments & motivations seem strange too for someone who seems so shady. He was concerned Sloane would start a war and that it would decimate the initiative, he came to Andromeda to "be someone" yet doesn't want to be in the limelight visibly leading the collective. He goes out of his way to make sure the Kadara Outpost is protected as well. I'll be so disappointed if this isn't addressed in DLC sometime soon.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2017 4:00:37 GMT
I think Reyes killed Garson too. He's not the Benefactor, but running from them because now that Jien and Alec are gone, he's the last loose end. That's my take on it! Or maybe he is safe as The Benefactor still needs to influence events directly? Some of Reyes comments & motivations seem strange too for someone who seems so shady. He was concerned Sloane would start a war and that it would decimate the initiative, he came to Andromeda to "be someone" yet doesn't want to be in the limelight visibly leading the collective. He goes out of his way to make sure the Kadara Outpost is protected as well. I'll be so disappointed if this isn't addressed in DLC sometime soon. Everything about Reyes is shrouded as deeply in mystery as the truth of the AI, the Jardaan... he has to be included in the DLC! He's got so much more to his character than we know. It's definitely hinted that he's not done yet, especially if you shoot him.
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Post by dazk on Jun 28, 2017 4:05:56 GMT
Or maybe he is safe as The Benefactor still needs to influence events directly? Some of Reyes comments & motivations seem strange too for someone who seems so shady. He was concerned Sloane would start a war and that it would decimate the initiative, he came to Andromeda to "be someone" yet doesn't want to be in the limelight visibly leading the collective. He goes out of his way to make sure the Kadara Outpost is protected as well. I'll be so disappointed if this isn't addressed in DLC sometime soon. Everything about Reyes is shrouded as deeply in mystery as the truth of the AI, the Jardaan... he has to be included in the DLC! He's got so much more to his character than we know. It's definitely hinted that he's not done yet, especially if you shoot him. I always shoot Sloane but have read about his "plot armor". Been great chatting Gladiolusofaugust, game just finished downloading (again) to try and sort out some issues so off to play for a few hrs whilst I can
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Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2017 4:10:34 GMT
Everything about Reyes is shrouded as deeply in mystery as the truth of the AI, the Jardaan... he has to be included in the DLC! He's got so much more to his character than we know. It's definitely hinted that he's not done yet, especially if you shoot him. I always shoot Sloane but have read about his "plot armor". Been great chatting Gladiolusofaugust, game just finished downloading (again) to try and sort out some issues so off to play for a few hrs whilst I can Same here! Have fun! I'm actually returning to my game too haha I'm spending my Canada Day week-long vacation playing MEA!
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Post by dazk on Jun 28, 2017 4:13:13 GMT
I always shoot Sloane but have read about his "plot armor". Been great chatting Gladiolusofaugust, game just finished downloading (again) to try and sort out some issues so off to play for a few hrs whilst I can Same here! Have fun! I'm actually returning to my game too haha I'm spending my Canada Day week-long vacation playing MEA! Happy Canada week, enjoy!!! giphy.com/gifs/canadian-vSpmb0tPxRGp2
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Post by SwobyJ on Jun 28, 2017 5:33:17 GMT
I'm starting to think this is Geth related. Especially after talking to Suvi and my first thought that the woman talking to Alec was an AI. Cough.
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Post by SwobyJ on Jun 28, 2017 5:37:00 GMT
I agree, I think it is Geth, Sam or Geth and Sam working together. It is the only explanation as to why The Benefactor is nowhere in the game to start off and the only motive for killing Jien Garson as she was going to start investigating who they were. It also potentially ties into the distress call from the Quarian ark. Why else would they be telling the rest of Andromeda Initiative to stay away. Yeah Geth tech used to scan Andromeda, the Geth asking about Andromeda in the comic and the Benefactor sensing something was going to happen. It feels less like it would be any of the usual ME species and something like a super computer. My first thought was the Geth too when I heard that warning. Like what happened to Tali's father. If its like the previous stuff, the geth will still be more of a threat than in the narrative of the trilogy, but we're taking a lighter side of them (or at least what becomes a lighter side) so we don't have to focus story arcs on their issues. So yeah, being a part of the Ai but in a covert way and surprisingly sneaky (Geth do not infiltrate! Yes Legion, but what about when they DO) way and with objections and fears of Quarians, albeit maybe a relatively less war-desiring Quarian population. Sound legit?
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Post by dazk on Jun 28, 2017 6:32:30 GMT
I'm starting to think this is Geth related. Especially after talking to Suvi and my first thought that the woman talking to Alec was an AI. Cough. The person that gives you a drink also says "It" will be ready shortly.
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Post by dazk on Jun 28, 2017 6:38:05 GMT
Yeah Geth tech used to scan Andromeda, the Geth asking about Andromeda in the comic and the Benefactor sensing something was going to happen. It feels less like it would be any of the usual ME species and something like a super computer. My first thought was the Geth too when I heard that warning. Like what happened to Tali's father. If its like the previous stuff, the geth will still be more of a threat than in the narrative of the trilogy, but we're taking a lighter side of them (or at least what becomes a lighter side) so we don't have to focus story arcs on their issues. So yeah, being a part of the Ai but in a covert way and surprisingly sneaky (Geth do not infiltrate! Yes Legion, but what about when they DO) way and with objections and fears of Quarians, albeit maybe a relatively less war-desiring Quarian population. Sound legit? Yeah, I don't think they are going to be an enemy if that's what you are saying. I think they will be an ally eventually and that the Quarians are just freaking out because when they left the MW the Geth were still the enemy and they didn't expect to wake up 600 years later with Geth ships in Andromeda or Geth aboard their ark.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2017 18:15:13 GMT
Just had a weird thought... what if that Geth is partly SAM?
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Post by Cyberstrike on Jun 28, 2017 18:43:54 GMT
I think the benefactor is the geth and here is my reasons: 1) According to Suvi the geth turned a Mass Effect relay into an FTL telescope and somehow they allowed the Initiative and Alec Ryder to get intel on Heleus Cluster and the Golden Worlds.
2) The geth being software could have stored enough programs to be a colony in anything that had enough processing power.
3) EDI states in ME2 the geth mind was the size of a galactic arm.
4) Legion in ME3 states that the geth believed him about the Reaper threat. This might have been a plan to save themselves by saving as many of the other races.
5) Legion also states in ME3 that they work on a huge project when the quarians attacked them and that was why the quarians were able to surprise them. Could this have been a geth ark?
6) Also the benefactor is shown to use as a series of other MW races. Since the geth aren't exactly loved in the MW this feels like a convenient way to disguise who they are.
7) The geth also had advanced technology that could have helped the construction of the Nexus, the various Arks and their drive cores, the various SAMs and their implants, and so on.
I also think the benefactor did not kill Garson. I think it's possible that Garson faked her own death and either got on a shuttle and left the Nexus in the confusion possibly to try to find Alec Ryder and the human ark, or she went back in cyro-status to hide in general population like the salarian pathfinder.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2017 18:56:08 GMT
Yeah after my talk with Suvi about it, how advanced SAM is, the Geth tech used to scan Andromeda and the Benefactors weird vid of many species talking with a female voice, it left me feeling like this was not a flesh and blood person. Also Liam mentions the Geth on Habitat 7, Suvi talks of them on the Tempest and during the Overlord continuation quest, Jaal talks about the Geth (on the Nexus too) and Husks. That much talk usually hints at things to come. Like all the Orlesian talk in DA2 and we get to see Orlais in DAI.
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Post by dazk on Jun 28, 2017 22:05:42 GMT
Just had a weird thought... what if that Geth is partly SAM? Yeah, hadn't thought about that. Given that the Geth are the majority of AI in the MW and Alec ask the SB to find him AI tech part's of SAM's code would most likely be Geth I'd think.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2017 22:06:34 GMT
Just had a weird thought... what if that Geth is partly SAM? Yeah, hadn't thought about that. Given that the Geth are the majority of AI in the MW and Alec ask the SB to find him AI tech part's of SAM's code would most likely be Geth I'd think. SAM is kind of like Legion and EDI combined if you think about it.
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Post by dazk on Jun 28, 2017 22:11:34 GMT
I think the benefactor is the geth and here is my reasons: 1) According to Suvi the geth turned a Mass Effect relay into an FTL telescope and somehow they allowed the Initiative and Alec Ryder to get intel on Heleus Cluster and the Golden Worlds. 2) The geth being software could have stored enough programs to be a colony in anything that had enough processing power. 3) EDI states in ME2 the geth mind was the size of a galactic arm. Wow didn't know that4) Legion in ME3 states that the geth believed him about the Reaper threat. This might have been a plan to save themselves by saving as many of the other races. Yeah I remember that
5) Legion also states in ME3 that they work on a huge project when the quarians attacked them and that was why the quarians were able to surprise them. Could this have been a geth ark? If I remember correctly that was a I think that was like a huge storage/apartment block for Geth to reside in and share knowledge. I think Shep and Legion discuss the huge loss of Geth. 6) Also the benefactor is shown to use as a series of other MW races. Since the geth aren't exactly loved in the MW this feels like a convenient way to disguise who they are. Indeed7) The geth also had advanced technology that could have helped the construction of the Nexus, the various Arks and their drive cores, the various SAMs and their implants, and so on. That's why I think SAM may have been working with the Geth and is part of the Benefactor scenario.I also think the benefactor did not kill Garson. I think it's possible that Garson faked her own death and either got on a shuttle and left the Nexus in the confusion possibly to try to find Alec Ryder and the human ark, or she went back in cyro-status to hide in general population like the salarian pathfinder. Yeah I too am not convinced of her death.
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Post by dazk on Jun 28, 2017 22:14:52 GMT
Yeah, hadn't thought about that. Given that the Geth are the majority of AI in the MW and Alec ask the SB to find him AI tech part's of SAM's code would most likely be Geth I'd think. SAM is kind of like Legion and EDI combined if you think about it. Yeah I agree. Maybe he is Legion and EDI's love child
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Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2017 22:17:48 GMT
SAM is kind of like Legion and EDI combined if you think about it. Yeah I agree. Maybe he is Legion and EDI's love child I think SAM reminded me most of Legion when we glimpse Legion speaking as an individual just before he died. Also SAM's feelings regarding Ellen and how he failed her and how he wants to make it right reminded me of Legion a lot.
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Post by dazk on Jun 28, 2017 22:25:53 GMT
Yeah I agree. Maybe he is Legion and EDI's love child I think SAM reminded me most of Legion when we glimpse Legion speaking as an individual just before he died. Also SAM's feelings regarding Ellen and how he failed her and how he wants to make it right reminded me of Legion a lot. His whole demeanour now that you mention it is very Legion like. Yeah there are a couple of moments as you mentioned that are really well done and definitely make SAM seem very human.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2017 22:27:32 GMT
I think SAM reminded me most of Legion when we glimpse Legion speaking as an individual just before he died. Also SAM's feelings regarding Ellen and how he failed her and how he wants to make it right reminded me of Legion a lot. His whole demeanour now that you mention it is very Legion like. Yeah there are a couple of moments as you mentioned that are really well done and definitely make SAM seem very human. Now if I can just get it out of my head that SAM is voiced by the woman who voiced Calpernia in DAI, I will remember SAM is male lol
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Post by dazk on Jun 28, 2017 22:33:25 GMT
His whole demeanour now that you mention it is very Legion like. Yeah there are a couple of moments as you mentioned that are really well done and definitely make SAM seem very human. Now if I can just get it out of my head that SAM is voiced by the woman who voiced Calpernia in DAI, I will remember SAM is male lol I know right!!!!! I am guessing they are going for an androgynous effect (get that Andromeda/Androgynous ) as at times SAM does sound male but most of the time sounds female to me. Be interesting to see what role Calpernia plays in DA4 based on choices. Did you see the email to Ryder from her at the end, in that leave your thanks terminal - was signed C.Pernia
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Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2017 22:35:02 GMT
Now if I can just get it out of my head that SAM is voiced by the woman who voiced Calpernia in DAI, I will remember SAM is male lol I know right!!!!! I am guessing they are going for an androgynous effect (get that Andromeda/Androgynous ) as at times SAM does sound male but most of the time sounds female to me. Be interesting to see what role Calpernia plays in DA4 based on choices. Did you see the email to Ryder from her at the end, in that leave your thanks terminal - was signed C.Pernia I smiled so badly haha I loved her really! Always told her she was being used. Never saw her as an enemy. That email plus her voice actress guiding me through MEA was just awesome! Anders email made me facepalm so bad I made my face red lol and Varric's email was just perfect!
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Post by dazk on Jun 28, 2017 22:38:43 GMT
I know right!!!!! I am guessing they are going for an androgynous effect (get that Andromeda/Androgynous ) as at times SAM does sound male but most of the time sounds female to me. Be interesting to see what role Calpernia plays in DA4 based on choices. Did you see the email to Ryder from her at the end, in that leave your thanks terminal - was signed C.Pernia I smiled so badly haha I loved her really! Always told her she was being used. Never saw her as an enemy. That email plus her voice actress guiding me through MEA was just awesome! Anders email made me facepalm so bad I made my face red lol and Varric's email was just perfect! Yeah it was Varric's that I saw first and went back and read the others, yeah I never killed her either felt sorry for her being used by ..........
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