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Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2017 22:41:03 GMT
I smiled so badly haha I loved her really! Always told her she was being used. Never saw her as an enemy. That email plus her voice actress guiding me through MEA was just awesome! Anders email made me facepalm so bad I made my face red lol and Varric's email was just perfect! Yeah it was Varric's that I saw first and went back and read the others, yeah I never killed her either felt sorry for her being used by .......... I think I liked him better when he was confused and the real Magister. The new Cory is from whichever person he body-jumped into at the end of DA2's DLC, and he was an idiot.
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Post by dazk on Jun 28, 2017 22:45:40 GMT
Yeah it was Varric's that I saw first and went back and read the others, yeah I never killed her either felt sorry for her being used by .......... I think I liked him better when he was confused and the real Magister. The new Cory is from whichever person he body-jumped into at the end of DA2's DLC, and he was an idiot. What did I miss something, who was he in DA2 - The Architect?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2017 22:47:28 GMT
I think I liked him better when he was confused and the real Magister. The new Cory is from whichever person he body-jumped into at the end of DA2's DLC, and he was an idiot. What did I miss something, who was he in DA2 - The Architect? Cory was in Legacy. If you took the side of the Warden who was Blighted or the other one, whichever you helped, Cory took them over when you think he's gone. I always spared the blighted Warden. I never trusted the woman. You also find out from Bianca, that whichever one Cory body-jumped into is the one who caused the red lyrium mess to happen.
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Post by dazk on Jun 28, 2017 23:13:05 GMT
What did I miss something, who was he in DA2 - The Architect? Cory was in Legacy. If you took the side of the Warden who was Blighted or the other one, whichever you helped, Cory took them over when you think he's gone. I always spared the blighted Warden. I never trusted the woman. You also find out from Bianca, that whichever one Cory body-jumped into is the one who caused the red lyrium mess to happen. Aaah that's right, sorry memory isn't what it used to be I had actually completely forgotten about Legacy and yes me too I never trusted the woman either.
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Post by dazk on Jun 28, 2017 23:24:45 GMT
Yeah after my talk with Suvi about it, how advanced SAM is, the Geth tech used to scan Andromeda and the Benefactors weird vid of many species talking with a female voice, it left me feeling like this was not a flesh and blood person. Also Liam mentions the Geth on Habitat 7, Suvi talks of them on the Tempest and during the Overlord continuation quest, Jaal talks about the Geth (on the Nexus too) and Husks. That much talk usually hints at things to come. Like all the Orlesian talk in DA2 and we get to see Orlais in DAI. You sure have a good memory. The person that gives you the coffee or whatever says "It" will be ready soon, not he or she. So how do you think they will string it together with the DLC if we are on the right track? Will it be as straight forward as The Quarian's freaking out at finding Geth in Andromeda and Ryder has to go sort it out or will they sort it out and arrive at the Nexus and give us a valuable insight into The Jaardaan/Kett? Will SAM then confess or go all Project Overlord on us and say it's all a dream and you haven't woken from stasis, you have actually been plugged into the Jardaan's life matrix and condemned to servitude forever - MWAHAHAHAHAAHA. Sorry couldn't help myself!!!!!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2017 23:27:44 GMT
Yeah after my talk with Suvi about it, how advanced SAM is, the Geth tech used to scan Andromeda and the Benefactors weird vid of many species talking with a female voice, it left me feeling like this was not a flesh and blood person. Also Liam mentions the Geth on Habitat 7, Suvi talks of them on the Tempest and during the Overlord continuation quest, Jaal talks about the Geth (on the Nexus too) and Husks. That much talk usually hints at things to come. Like all the Orlesian talk in DA2 and we get to see Orlais in DAI. You sure have a good memory. The person that gives you the coffee or whatever says "It" will be ready soon, not he or she. So how do you think they will string it together with the DLC if we are on the right track? Will it be as straight forward as The Quarian's freaking out at finding Geth in Andromeda and Ryder has to go sort it out or will they sort it out and arrive at the Nexus and give us a valuable insight into The Jaardaan/Kett? Will SAM then confess or go all Project Overlord on us and say it's all a dream and you haven't woken from stasis, you have actually been plugged into the Jardaan's life matrix and condemned to servitude forever - MWAHAHAHAHAAHA. Sorry couldn't help myself!!!!! Haha sorry been looking at all the articles that are upsetting people. Some claim no DLC and it's over, another says DLC is coming. I would say the game will start off with us seeing something involving the Quarian Ark, then we'll be on the Tempest and get an email to travel to the Nexus and Tann will tell us what has happened.
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Post by dazk on Jun 28, 2017 23:37:17 GMT
You sure have a good memory. The person that gives you the coffee or whatever says "It" will be ready soon, not he or she. So how do you think they will string it together with the DLC if we are on the right track? Will it be as straight forward as The Quarian's freaking out at finding Geth in Andromeda and Ryder has to go sort it out or will they sort it out and arrive at the Nexus and give us a valuable insight into The Jaardaan/Kett? Will SAM then confess or go all Project Overlord on us and say it's all a dream and you haven't woken from stasis, you have actually been plugged into the Jardaan's life matrix and condemned to servitude forever - MWAHAHAHAHAAHA. Sorry couldn't help myself!!!!! Haha sorry been looking at all the articles that are upsetting people. Some claim no DLC and it's over, another says DLC is coming. I would say the game will start off with us seeing something involving the Quarian Ark, then we'll be on the Tempest and get an email to travel to the Nexus and Tann will tell us what has happened. What are the sources they are quoting? Is it on the General or Spoilers forum or just the net?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2017 23:38:20 GMT
Haha sorry been looking at all the articles that are upsetting people. Some claim no DLC and it's over, another says DLC is coming. I would say the game will start off with us seeing something involving the Quarian Ark, then we'll be on the Tempest and get an email to travel to the Nexus and Tann will tell us what has happened. What are the sources they are quoting? Is it on the General or Spoilers forum or just the net? In the DLC hints thread I linked the articles. Last 2 pages.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2017 23:48:12 GMT
No I didn't. I don't think it's needed, but I guess it couldn't hurt.
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Post by dazk on Jun 29, 2017 0:02:35 GMT
No I didn't. I don't think it's needed, but I guess it couldn't hurt. Ok I have to ask, gladiolusofaugust are you an AI????? Man you must have 8 arms you post so much and thanks for that the Hints DLC topic was interesting
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2017 0:07:44 GMT
No I didn't. I don't think it's needed, but I guess it couldn't hurt. Ok I have to ask, gladiolusofaugust are you an AI????? Man you must have 8 arms you post so much and thanks for that the Hints DLC topic was interesting I am very fast haha and always being asked to find stuff, so I learned to be quick and get replies out. Spending years as a mod helped me learn to be fast at responding.
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Post by dazk on Jun 29, 2017 0:18:11 GMT
Ok I have to ask, gladiolusofaugust are you an AI????? Man you must have 8 arms you post so much and thanks for that the Hints DLC topic was interesting I am very fast haha and always being asked to find stuff, so I learned to be quick and get replies out. Spending years as a mod helped me learn to be fast at responding. I am in awe and thanks for the interesting chat re the Benefactor
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Post by corsair on Jun 30, 2017 12:13:07 GMT
The Benefactor could be in my opinion:
The Council Geth Kumun Shol (among other wealthy people) Illusive Man (probably not)
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Post by dazk on Jul 1, 2017 0:09:26 GMT
The Benefactor could be in my opinion: The Council Geth Kumun Shol (among other wealthy people) Illusive Man (probably not) You would have to believe that the council would have been in on this or at least aware and supportive despite their political posturing in ME1 & 2. No way the Andromeda Initiative could have been a secret, just way too big. Actually just thinking about the council, if the Asari had that Prothean beacon for 100's of years they must have known about the Reapers way before Shepard or was it only Shepard that could communicate with the VI in the temple on Thessia? I thought it was implied that the VI had helped the Asari advance faster than the other species.
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Post by corsair on Jul 3, 2017 3:52:18 GMT
Yes, I think that the council might have a hand on this. One hint comes from the Citadel DLC, where in the Archives is confirmed that they hide the existance of Reapers from the general public, but they know that they are very real.
Regarding the beacon, I think only Shepard could access to the information regarding reapers, but this text from the wiki makes me wonder:
"..When the Protheans departed, they left a single beacon on Thessia, around which the asari later built a lavish temple devoted to Athame. This beacon contained Vendetta, a Prothean VI, and over the following centuries was the source of countless technological advances that allowed the asari to eventually become the most powerful race in the galaxy. The beacon's existence became a closely-held state secret, as its revelation would have discredited the virtually universal belief that the asari attained such heights on their own merit. By 2183 CE, few outside the highest echelons of the asari government were aware of the part the Protheans played in asari history..."
Maybe those "high level politicians" knew of the Reapers? It's a topic not covered in the plot, but reading the wiki, one could assume that those elite politicians knew them.
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Post by dazk on Jul 3, 2017 3:56:40 GMT
Yes, I think that the council might have a hand on this. One hint comes from the Citadel DLC, where in the Archives is confirmed that they hide the existance of Reapers from the general public, but they know that they are very real. Regarding the beacon, I think only Shepard could access to the information regarding reapers, but this text from the wiki makes me wonder: "..When the Protheans departed, they left a single beacon on Thessia, around which the asari later built a lavish temple devoted to Athame. This beacon contained Vendetta, a Prothean VI, and over the following centuries was the source of countless technological advances that allowed the asari to eventually become the most powerful race in the galaxy. The beacon's existence became a closely-held state secret, as its revelation would have discredited the virtually universal belief that the asari attained such heights on their own merit. By 2183 CE, few outside the highest echelons of the asari government were aware of the part the Protheans played in asari history..." Maybe those "high level politicians" knew of the Reapers? It's a topic not covered in the plot, but reading the wiki, one could assume that those elite politicians knew them. Thanks for digging that up, yeah I don't know why it hadn't occurred to me before. But yeah it does seem highly likely the council must have known and perhaps even assisted with the Initiative.
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Post by SwobyJ on Jul 3, 2017 6:51:54 GMT
The Benefactor knew of 'something'. Not exactly Reapers, but possibly enough of a clue of extinction. Could be lying as to how much it knew, of course.
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Post by Monica21 on Jul 5, 2017 5:44:25 GMT
The Benefactor knew of 'something'. Not exactly Reapers, but possibly enough of a clue of extinction. Could be lying as to how much it knew, of course. Is this what you're referring to? Whatever the "something" is that the Benefactor refers to, it's in 2179, well before the Prothean beacon was discovered. I checked the timeline in the Wikia and literally nothing happened that year. The Skyllian Blitz was 2176, Akuze was 2177, and Torfan was 2178. Nothing is mentioned again until 2182 when it says that Kahoku started investigating Cerberus.
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Post by corsair on Jul 5, 2017 14:12:55 GMT
I wonder how the Benefactor realized that something terrible was coming. I mean, how many people knew of the Reapers by that year ?
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Post by MegaIllusiveMan on Jul 5, 2017 14:54:40 GMT
There is that Evolution comic, where TIM got those eyes because of a Reaper device. Some of his final words are:
" It has proven to me, beyond a shadow of a doubt, that there is something out there to protect humanity against. A dark time is coming, humanity will be tested. And while we may not know who is doing the testing or why we must meet the challenge, as we have met all others. We will succeed. Because to do anything else would be Inhuman. We will watch the dark places -- and bring Illumination. There is no magic -- only technology. Tools that we can master. Tools we must master. Not jut to survive -- but for the betterment of mankind. We can -- and will -- take our rightful place in the stars. This is my Manifesto. I hope you will join my cause. End Recording"
TIM did knew something, but not what, was coming, released his manifesto, got people to help him. Some people called it bullshit, others didn't. Since the Benefactor is that rich, he should have ties with Cerberus, since that amount of fortune wouldn't pass unnoticed, so it has something do with it.
I don't believe it's anyone in the original Trilogy, but a new character, with ties to the original trilogy. Wouldn't make sense for TIM or The council being the benefactor, since they would want to leave with the AI. I can sure say, the Benefactor, or at least its interests, are in Andromeda.
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Post by Andrew Waples on Jul 5, 2017 15:43:42 GMT
I wonder how the Benefactor realized that something terrible was coming. I mean, how many people knew of the Reapers by that year ? Could be something of just another Shadow Broker wannabe or possibly some kind of AI? One thing is for sure though: the Benefactor did make the jump to Helius, because of a datapad that can be found during the rescuing the Moshe, mission. However, considering the Kett use titles to describe themselves it could be that. But I don't think BioWare would do that (also the datapad mentions Eos is recovering and what not), because depending on how you play the game- you could discover this Benefactor before rescuing the Moshe.
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Post by Hrungr on Jul 5, 2017 17:10:02 GMT
From an earlier thread on this - my theory is that SAM is The Benefactor.
Notice that SAM was already partially complete by the time we hear from "The Benefactor". The fact that TB hides behind rotating set of different voices & faces is what first got me wondering. Being an AI, it could rapidly accumulate the wealth it needed (which we've seen an AI do already in ME). It would explain its interest in improving itself, and would understand the threat the Reapers posed. And as it was still early in its development, its "humanity" was still an evolving state. I think there was a hint there in the discussion you have with SAM about AIs committing crimes and how they should be judged. We've seen SAM disguise your voice to fool the Kett (remember TB's rotating set of voices and faces). I think SAM orchestrated Jian's death as she began to question TB, which in turn could jeopardize the entire Initiative project if the truth was learned.
SAM could employ others to work on its behalf (and did so to murder Jian) and is the answer to the question why TB never revealed themselves after arriving in Andromeda.
SAM being TB would be right in line with BioWare-style twists (on the level of Solas) and would lead into a some... interesting conversations. SAM could argue that that the survival of the MW species is more important than one person's life, and so on, and so forth...
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Post by Andrew Waples on Jul 5, 2017 17:17:23 GMT
From an earlier thread on this - my theory is that SAM is The Benefactor. Notice that SAM was already partially complete by the time we hear from "The Benefactor". The fact that TB hides behind rotating set of different voices & faces is what first got me wondering. Being an AI, it could rapidly accumulate the wealth it needed (which we've seen an AI do already in ME). It would explain its interest in improving itself, and would understand the threat the Reapers posed. And as it was still early in its development, its "humanity" was still an evolving state. I think there was a hint there in the discussion you have with SAM about AIs committing crimes and how they should be judged. We've seen SAM disguise your voice to fool the Kett (remember TB's rotating set of voices and faces). I think SAM orchestrated Jian's death as she began to question TB, which in turn could jeopardize the entire Initiative project if the truth was learned. SAM could employ others to work on its behalf (and did so to murder Jian) and is the answer to the question why TB never revealed themselves after arriving in Andromeda. SAM being TB would be right in line with BioWare-style twists (on the level of Solas) and would lead into a some... interesting conversations. SAM could argue that that the survival of the MW species is more important than one person's life, and so on, and so forth... However, he is tied to deeply connected to you by the end game sequences. He even says that it'll "kill him" if he is ever "removed" from Scott/Sara Hell, he even helps discover Garson's body. With your logic, he would have killed you right then and there. He could have done it so easily to, cause know one knew of the murder scene room where they found Garson's body.
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Post by Hrungr on Jul 5, 2017 17:54:08 GMT
From an earlier thread on this - my theory is that SAM is The Benefactor. Notice that SAM was already partially complete by the time we hear from "The Benefactor". The fact that TB hides behind rotating set of different voices & faces is what first got me wondering. Being an AI, it could rapidly accumulate the wealth it needed (which we've seen an AI do already in ME). It would explain its interest in improving itself, and would understand the threat the Reapers posed. And as it was still early in its development, its "humanity" was still an evolving state. I think there was a hint there in the discussion you have with SAM about AIs committing crimes and how they should be judged. We've seen SAM disguise your voice to fool the Kett (remember TB's rotating set of voices and faces). I think SAM orchestrated Jian's death as she began to question TB, which in turn could jeopardize the entire Initiative project if the truth was learned. SAM could employ others to work on its behalf (and did so to murder Jian) and is the answer to the question why TB never revealed themselves after arriving in Andromeda. SAM being TB would be right in line with BioWare-style twists (on the level of Solas) and would lead into a some... interesting conversations. SAM could argue that that the survival of the MW species is more important than one person's life, and so on, and so forth... However, he is tied to deeply connected to you by the end game sequences. He even says that it'll "kill him" if he is ever "removed" from Scott/Sara Hell, he even helps discover Garson's body. With your logic, he would have killed you right then and there. He could have done it so easily to, cause know one knew of the murder scene room where they found Garson's body. Apart from being self-defeating (if he's kills Ryder, they'll figure out it was SAM), I think SAM's evolution over the game, coupled with bringing up the topic of AIs committing crimes, what we learn from the unlocked videos, and the investigation... I think SAM is slowly preparing Ryder for the truth. The fact that SAM could kill Ryder though would just make the eventual reveal all the more interesting.
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