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Post by JulianVerse on Aug 5, 2017 1:48:29 GMT
Do you remember where that datapad was? I think its in one of the rooms that are like class rooms in the facility you rescue the Moshae from. You mean I gotta play all the way through to that and can't just run around on a world to find a data pad? God damn you, guy! |
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Post by JulianVerse on Aug 5, 2017 2:05:41 GMT
I think someone with his resources could look at the AI as a contingency plan if the reapers were to win, and want to stay in the Milky Way because that's where the main fight was. I'd disagree that it being a multi-species mission would go against what he stands for. There was never anything, in my opinion, that suggested he wanted other races exterminated, just subservient, or maybe not even subservient, but with humans in power. I wouldn't put it past him at all to be like "well if shit hits the fan over here, it'd be a real shame if all the races were completely gone, except those big, stupid jellyfish, so I might as well get some of everything." I don't think this opinion is 100% though, it's just the impression I got from the games. I don't think this is true? Jien Garson was killed by someone associated with the benefactor, but not the benefactor himself. Considering we never got much reasoning as to why Garson was killed, it could be something philosophical like "She's very into living harmoniously with all the other races, so make sure she dies early so our men can stage a coup." Or maybe she and the benefactor just had a falling out right before the initiative left and then left instructions for a loyalist to kill her. Either way, I am pretty sure MEA didn't state definitively one way or the other if the benefactor was in cryo or stayed in the Milky Way. The wiki also agrees in the last sentence. I personally don't believe it was TIM but I am also open to the case that it could have been so you'll get no argument from me. FYI the "big, stupid jellyfish comment made me LOL.  I think re whether the benefactor came or not is open for debate but on the premise that the Jien Garson murder happened and IF it was initiated by the benefactor then I want to know why it was done and under whose instructions. For me SAM is the prime candidate for reasons well extolled earlier in the thread. Did it act alone? Did it co-opt the council into helping? Did it get aid from the Geth? All speculation at this stage but SAM as the prime suspect would at least provide a motivation for the murder as SAM would not want people knowing it had been him pulling the strings. Anyway that's my two cents worth  SAM would be interesting. I doubt it could get the council involved bc they suck, but I wouldn't even be surprised if the illusive man was then one of the people SAM sought out to acquire funding. I do feel that if the benefactor is in the initiative, he/she/it/they would probably want to be awoken in one of two ways. Very early so he could eliminate garson and take quick control, or towards the end, so that his associates could stage a coup so that he's not awake until all the shit has already settled. If that had happened, I'd almost wonder if some of the people who led the outlaw revolt were also associates and their attempted coup just failed. |
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Post by Andrew Waples on Aug 5, 2017 2:27:25 GMT
I think its in one of the rooms that are like class rooms in the facility you rescue the Moshae from. You mean I gotta play all the way through to that and can't just run around on a world to find a data pad? God damn you, guy! Yes. The reason why I think it's our Benefactor, is because depending on how you handle Alec's memories you could discover this so called Benefactor before rescuing MS. |
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Post by dazk on Aug 5, 2017 3:30:30 GMT
I personally don't believe it was TIM but I am also open to the case that it could have been so you'll get no argument from me. FYI the "big, stupid jellyfish comment made me LOL. I think re whether the benefactor came or not is open for debate but on the premise that the Jien Garson murder happened and IF it was initiated by the benefactor then I want to know why it was done and under whose instructions. For me SAM is the prime candidate for reasons well extolled earlier in the thread. Did it act alone? Did it co-opt the council into helping? Did it get aid from the Geth? All speculation at this stage but SAM as the prime suspect would at least provide a motivation for the murder as SAM would not want people knowing it had been him pulling the strings. Anyway that's my two cents worth SAM would be interesting. I doubt it could get the council involved bc they suck, but I wouldn't even be surprised if the illusive man was then one of the people SAM sought out to acquire funding. I do feel that if the benefactor is in the initiative, he/she/it/they would probably want to be awoken in one of two ways. Very early so he could eliminate garson and take quick control, or towards the end, so that his associates could stage a coup so that he's not awake until all the shit has already settled. If that had happened, I'd almost wonder if some of the people who led the outlaw revolt were also associates and their attempted coup just failed. I think if SAM is the benefactor he could have easily influenced the council to help, they already knew the Reapers were real and he would have been able to provide info showing that it was going to be sooner rather than later. Given the initiative suddenly grows to 100,000 across multiple species, The Benefactor may have convinced the council that the Reapers would be an extinction event and this was the Milky Ways last hope of preservation so that they fully got on board. Hell maybe the council are The Benefactor!!!! The motive for killing Jien would be that the council wanted to be in control rather than it being in the hands of a private individual. Some people believe that Reye's has been acting on the benefactors behalf. Nothing else explains how influential he is, he can't die in the game, he says he came here to be someone, he goes out of his way to make sure Ditaeon is well protected and he has no problem killing people (example Sloane Kelly) that are jeopardising the initiatives chance to succeed. What does he say, Sloane would bring war to Heleus and we don't have the numbers for that. |
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Post by dazk on Aug 5, 2017 3:32:53 GMT
I think its in one of the rooms that are like class rooms in the facility you rescue the Moshae from. You mean I gotta play all the way through to that and can't just run around on a world to find a data pad? God damn you, guy! Well you don't need to, you have seen it now on this thread. Where you find it doesn't add any context that I can think of  |
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Post by dazk on Aug 5, 2017 3:33:19 GMT
You mean I gotta play all the way through to that and can't just run around on a world to find a data pad? God damn you, guy! Yes. The reason why I think it's our Benefactor, is because depending on how you handle Alec's memories you could discover this so called Benefactor before rescuing MS. I am not following, what do you mean? |
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Post by Andrew Waples on Aug 5, 2017 12:30:09 GMT
Yes. The reason why I think it's our Benefactor, is because depending on how you handle Alec's memories you could discover this so called Benefactor before rescuing MS. I am not following, what do you mean? If you do the Ryder family quest before rescuing Moshe Safae (I shortened her name because it's difficult to spell) the Benefactor will be discovered. However, the quest can't progress until start the quest Hunting the Archon--specifically finding the datapad or whatever it is. |
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Post by krighaur on Sept 2, 2017 19:10:28 GMT
The benefactor is probably female .... The english version use "the benefactor" which has no gender. In french "the benefactor" can translate in "le bienfaiteur" (male) or "la bienfaitrice" (female). Every dialogs or writings use "la bienfaitrice". Indeed it could be that they had to choose one of the two translations and did it randomly but it's strange that all voice acting use "la bienfaitrice" |
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Sept 2, 2017 21:25:51 GMT
The benefactor is probably female .... The english version use "the benefactor" which has no gender. In french "the benefactor" can translate in "le bienfaiteur" (male) or "la bienfaitrice" (female). Every dialogs or writings use "la bienfaitrice". Indeed it could be that they had to choose one of the two translations and did it randomly but it's strange that all voice acting use "la bienfaitrice" I think they used that term because in the game the Benefactor uses a modulated female voice. |
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Post by traks on Sept 2, 2017 22:23:38 GMT
The benefactor is probably female .... The english version use "the benefactor" which has no gender. In french "the benefactor" can translate in "le bienfaiteur" (male) or "la bienfaitrice" (female). Every dialogs or writings use "la bienfaitrice". Indeed it could be that they had to choose one of the two translations and did it randomly but it's strange that all voice acting use "la bienfaitrice" I think they used that term because in the game the Benefactor uses a modulated female voice. It is suggested in the game files also (spoiler alert): |
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Post by antmarch456 on Sept 2, 2017 22:35:56 GMT
I think they used that term because in the game the Benefactor uses a modulated female voice. It is suggested in the game files also (spoiler alert): Well this changes things just a slight bit for me (I always kept thinking the Benefactor was male for some reason). I wonder if there is an Andromead sequel, it'll pull a Dragon Age Spanish Inquisition and have one of your squadmates secretly be the Benefactor? |
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Sept 2, 2017 22:38:34 GMT
It is suggested in the game files also (spoiler alert): Well this changes things just a slight bit for me (I always kept thinking the Benefactor was male for some reason). I wonder if there is an Andromead sequel, it'll pull a Dragon Age Spanish Inquisition and have one of your squadmates secretly be the Benefactor? I'm still hoping the Benefactor is actually a group of people operating under that alias. Bioware has never really done a villain like that so it would be really interesting to see. I don't see how a current member of our team could be, but I could see if we get new people in the sequel how one of them could be. |
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Post by antmarch456 on Sept 2, 2017 22:55:40 GMT
Well this changes things just a slight bit for me (I always kept thinking the Benefactor was male for some reason). I wonder if there is an Andromead sequel, it'll pull a Dragon Age Spanish Inquisition and have one of your squadmates secretly be the Benefactor? I'm still hoping the Benefactor is actually a group of people operating under that alias. Bioware has never really done a villain like that so it would be really interesting to see. I don't see how a current member of our team could be, but I could see if we get new people in the sequel how one of them could be. Hmm, that would actually be pretty interesting. Didn't one of the NPCs in the trilogy speculated that the Shadow Broker could've been a collective group of people, since they thought it was impossible for just 1 person to do all the Shadow-Brokering stuff alone? |
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Sept 2, 2017 23:10:43 GMT
I'm still hoping the Benefactor is actually a group of people operating under that alias. Bioware has never really done a villain like that so it would be really interesting to see. I don't see how a current member of our team could be, but I could see if we get new people in the sequel how one of them could be. Hmm, that would actually be pretty interesting. Didn't one of the NPCs in the trilogy speculated that the Shadow Broker could've been a collective group of people, since they thought it was impossible for just 1 person to do all the Shadow-Brokering stuff alone? Yeah, Barla Von speculated that. I know, right? To use another series as an example, I always think of the Illuminati in the Deus Ex series. I would love to see a Benefactor cutscene be something like this: |
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Post by antmarch456 on Sept 3, 2017 0:50:45 GMT
Hmm, that would actually be pretty interesting. Didn't one of the NPCs in the trilogy speculated that the Shadow Broker could've been a collective group of people, since they thought it was impossible for just 1 person to do all the Shadow-Brokering stuff alone? Yeah, Barla Von speculated that. I know, right? To use another series as an example, I always think of the Illuminati in the Deus Ex series. I would love to see a Benefactor cutscene be something like this: Holy shit, that's so cool! Okay, I'm on board...I hope the Benefactor is a group of people instead of just one person. |
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Post by Element Zero on Sept 18, 2017 6:32:48 GMT
The Benefactor is the geth. Has anyone suggested the geth, yet? They knew about the Reapers and could have creatively siffoned funds from any number of trillions of Milky Way inhabitants. It's the geth, damn it.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 19, 2017 13:49:10 GMT
No no no the benefactor is the rachni Queen lol
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Post by Unicephalon 40-D on Sept 19, 2017 15:58:34 GMT
The Benefactor is SANTA  |
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Post by Steelcan on Sept 20, 2017 21:59:02 GMT
yep, its still Cerberus
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Post by Element Zero on Sept 22, 2017 5:51:21 GMT
Who knew the Benefactor was so handsome? Getting older, now, and still has that great hair. |
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Post by dazk on May 21, 2020 10:48:36 GMT
The Benefactor is the geth. Has anyone suggested the geth, yet? They knew about the Reapers and could have creatively siffoned funds from any number of trillions of Milky Way inhabitants. It's the geth, damn it. Definitely the Geth, I miss all the talk about this subject.
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Post by traks on May 21, 2020 13:56:43 GMT
The Benefactor is the geth. Has anyone suggested the geth, yet? They knew about the Reapers and could have creatively siffoned funds from any number of trillions of Milky Way inhabitants. It's the geth, damn it. Definitely the Geth, I miss all the talk about this subject. The game files suggest otherwise: bsn.boards.net/post/864634/threadCharacterName: Mysterious Benefactor
Gender: Female
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Post by dazk on May 21, 2020 23:50:02 GMT
Definitely the Geth, I miss all the talk about this subject. The game files suggest otherwise: bsn.boards.net/post/864634/threadCharacterName: Mysterious Benefactor
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AgeRange: 45 Well that could just be a red herring!!!! I am sticking to my Geth belief till absolutely proven otherwise!!!!
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Post by azarhal on Jun 9, 2020 15:54:58 GMT
I was wondering what are/was the plan(s) for the Benefactor lately. What was the point of killing Jien Garson? Everyone could do the math and realize the money wasn't all from Jien's pocket. And I doubt people would care. It doesn't appear to have been for taking control, considering who ended up in charges. I think the Voeld Temple "email" is addressing our Benefactor. It doesn't appear translated by SAM and going by where it is found (pre-exaltation) and the talk of visiting the author's homeworld (after seeing Eos), it was written by an Angara. This also fit with the Benefactor leaving the Nexus early (i.e. pre-mutiny). Eos was the first place they tried to settle and many people who went there are conveniently missing. The Nexus believe they were all killed, then once you investigate with Ryder the story suggest they were kidnapped instead. But Peebee/Clancy can't be the only ones who "sneaked out". On top of it, Lexi says the Nexus records are a total mess at some point when you scan corpses on Eos, there could have been some manipulation there. The Benefactor's modus operandis is similar to the Shadow Broker's and the Collective/Charlatan's. I think there is a link between all 3. The Benefactor probably created the Collective and put the Charlatan in charge. Back in the Milky Way, they probably worked for the Shadow Broker or the Yagh was purposely raised as a replacement and the SB faked their death. The last one would mean a long lived species as the Shadow Broker was replaced over 60 years ago and in services for decades before that. And then there is the "knows about the Reapers" as the Benefactor contacted Jien years before ME1: - Asari could have know via the beacon on Thessia - Geth knew because of Sovereign - Liara deduced it via her archaeological studies, the conclusion might not be exclusive to her - Rachni, they were around during the last reaping. - Anyone indoctrinated...sorta  If Geth/Rachni, there is the problem of getting aboard the Nexus to make the trip without anyone finding out. Although, I guess the Geth could be in a box, as they are technically just software. And lets not forget Addision being sketchy in the Uprising novel. She's the prime suspect for Jien's death has she is the only survivor of the first 12 people who were awake when the Scourge hit. Doesn't help that the Benefactor in the game has the same voice actress (not according to IMDB).  |
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