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Post by Deleted on Jun 25, 2017 0:15:46 GMT
Liam was suspended a dozen times in two years. Alec's strong suit was definitely not in hiring.
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Post by sugarless on Jun 25, 2017 0:26:26 GMT
Just taking a stab (in the dark here) but maybe Alec wanted someone who was not so by-the-book? Explains why Liam came across like such a dolt at times tho'
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Post by Andrew Waples on Jun 25, 2017 0:47:13 GMT
Just taking a stab (in the dark here) but maybe Alec wanted someone who was not so by-the-book? Explains why Liam came across like such a dolt at times tho' I'd buy that if Cora wasn't so by-the-book herself.
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Post by MarilynRobert on Jun 25, 2017 0:53:32 GMT
Yeah, Cora and Liam don't seem to have anything in common.
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Post by sugarless on Jun 25, 2017 0:53:38 GMT
Just taking a stab (in the dark here) but maybe Alec wanted someone who was not so by-the-book? Explains why Liam came across like such a dolt at times tho' I'd buy that if Cora wasn't so by-the-book herself. True that. Well then perhaps he liked Liam's crisis response management...
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Post by colfoley on Jun 25, 2017 1:38:22 GMT
Anyways Alec Ryder explains his hirng process in his speech on Ark Hyperion before you leave. He says he wants dreamers, explorers, people who push the edge of the map. But, I think its better to say he wants Dreamers, as in builders. People who want to build a better future. Discounting the really minor characters on the team that did not make the squad later, Grier, Kirkland, etc, and also excluding the Ryder siblings...since their motivations for joining the iniative is ultimatley left up to the player...Cora and Liam settle this archetype. Liam wants to build the future in more of a meta sense, being really philosophical about it, he wants to see everyone works together. Cora is more practical about it. Building a guarden, a foundation, and seeing it grow is her modus operndai. Its really quite...in your face when you think about it.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 25, 2017 1:49:03 GMT
Anyways Alec Ryder explains his hirng process in his speech on Ark Hyperion before you leave. He says he wants dreamers, explorers, people who push the edge of the map. But, I think its better to say he wants Dreamers, as in builders. People who want to build a better future. Discounting the really minor characters on the team that did not make the squad later, Grier, Kirkland, etc, and also excluding the Ryder siblings...since their motivations for joining the iniative is ultimatley left up to the player...Cora and Liam settle this archetype. Liam wants to build the future in more of a meta sense, being really philosophical about it, he wants to see everyone works together. Cora is more practical about it. Building a guarden, a foundation, and seeing it grow is her modus operndai. Its really quite...in your face when you think about it. But still, he was suspended a dozen times in two years. That's a huge amount of suspensions. That's a suspension every two months for two years straight. Dreamers and explorers are one thing, but this is someone who couldn't even follow basic rules.
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Post by NUM13ER on Jun 25, 2017 2:04:38 GMT
It does make me wonder about what would happen in the unlikely event the Pathfinder, Ryder and Cora died. Is Liam next in line to be Pathfinder or at the very least put in the running? If Cora had lived and not the Ryders, would Liam have been her understudy?
In either case he doesn't strike me as the type ready for the responsibility.
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Post by gplayer on Jun 25, 2017 2:08:16 GMT
There were those other people like Greer who lost his nerve and checked out after the first mission. Let's not forget Harry checking out too and insisting on staying in Cryo on the Hyperion instead of joining you on the Tempest. I did not see what happened to him when the Hyperion was hi-jacked, I guess the Tempest ended up being way safer!
Alec was very singular minded in his purpose, keep his family safe/cure his wife. Outside of those two issues I don't credit him with much. If the initiative was short of volunteers he would not have been too picky in his recruitment. His priority is to use AI funds to finish SAM for his wife, and to get her and the kids out of the Milky Way.
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Post by suikoden on Jun 25, 2017 2:50:30 GMT
Yeah, Cora and Liam don't seem to have anything in common. They do though, they're both poorly written.
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Post by colfoley on Jun 25, 2017 4:08:46 GMT
Yeah, Cora and Liam don't seem to have anything in common. They do though, they're both poorly written. lollol
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Post by smilesja on Jun 25, 2017 4:10:55 GMT
Yeah, Cora and Liam don't seem to have anything in common. They do though, they're both poorly written.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Jun 25, 2017 4:27:44 GMT
There were those other people like Greer who lost his nerve and checked out after the first mission. Let's not forget Harry checking out too and insisting on staying in Cryo on the Hyperion instead of joining you on the Tempest. I did not see what happened to him when the Hyperion was hi-jacked, I guess the Tempest ended up being way safer!Alec was very singular minded in his purpose, keep his family safe/cure his wife. Outside of those two issues I don't credit him with much. If the initiative was short of volunteers he would not have been too picky in his recruitment. His priority is to use AI funds to finish SAM for his wife, and to get her and the kids out of the Milky Way. He survives. After the main quest if you did enough for Drack Harry is in a scene with him and Kesh.
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Post by deadgoon on Jun 25, 2017 10:34:32 GMT
Liam was suspended a dozen times in two years. Alec's strong suit was definitely not in hiring. Depends on the reasons for suspension tho doesn't it, disciplinary proceedings can be rigidly inflexible and don't allways take into account extenuating circumstances, he could've got himself suspended going against orders that would've led to a worse outcome if he hadn't used his initiative. After all Alec Ryder would've been privvy to Liam's service records so he would've known the exact circumstances of all of Liam's suspensions, he wouldn't have taken him on if he was being suspended for being an idiot, if how ever he'd shown a willingness to think, then act, outside the box to get results, irrespective of the personal price he might have to pay, that would've gotten Ryders attention.
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Post by bshep on Jun 25, 2017 11:12:23 GMT
Liam was suspended a dozen times in two years. Alec's strong suit was definitely not in hiring. Well my guess is the number of people with the skills and the will to join a one way trip to another galaxy was so few that Liam ended up being able to join. But truth be told maybe Alec wanted Liam as a way to counterbalance the "by the book" behavior and ideas of Cora? After all it's not like he was a by the book guy with his research.
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Post by jaegerbane on Jun 25, 2017 11:46:10 GMT
Liam was suspended a dozen times in two years. Alec's strong suit was definitely not in hiring. Well my guess is the number of people with the skills and the will to join a one way trip to another galaxy was so few that Liam ended up being able to join. But truth be told maybe Alec wanted Liam as a way to counterbalance the "by the book" behavior and ideas of Cora? After all it's not like he was a by the book guy with his research. I'm not sure the AI was that short of recruits, from what I could tell the big limit was money and resources. In Liam's case I suspect that it boiled down to the fact that he's pretty reactive and is more interested in making things work rather than following the rule book. Since there wasn't actually a rule book for operations in Andromeda, that kind of made sense. Add that to his background in crisis response and it seems like a sure thing. Frankly, the strangest thing I found about Liam's recruitment is the fact he left his family behind. It seemed most people either brought their families or had reasons to split from their family, and Liam didn't seem to fit either category.
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Post by Croatsky on Jun 25, 2017 12:06:54 GMT
Anyways Alec Ryder explains his hirng process in his speech on Ark Hyperion before you leave. He says he wants dreamers, explorers, people who push the edge of the map. But, I think its better to say he wants Dreamers, as in builders. People who want to build a better future. Discounting the really minor characters on the team that did not make the squad later, Grier, Kirkland, etc, and also excluding the Ryder siblings...since their motivations for joining the iniative is ultimatley left up to the player...Cora and Liam settle this archetype. Liam wants to build the future in more of a meta sense, being really philosophical about it, he wants to see everyone works together. Cora is more practical about it. Building a guarden, a foundation, and seeing it grow is her modus operndai. Its really quite...in your face when you think about it. But still, he was suspended a dozen times in two years. That's a huge amount of suspensions. That's a suspension every two months for two years straight. Dreamers and explorers are one thing, but this is someone who couldn't even follow basic rules. Alec Ryder got fired from System Alliance for his illegal A.I. research, so he's not much on good terms with obeying rules.
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Post by jclosed on Jun 25, 2017 12:10:52 GMT
I also think Liam is chosen to counterbalance Cora's tendency to be inflexible. And Cora could push back Liam's impulsiveness, that gets him into trouble.
I work together with a lot of people that make Music or/and Graphical art (yes I do both myself too), and i know a lot of people that act like Liam. They are impulsive and sometimes completely irresponsible, but at the same time they are capable to create something that is beautiful. They "get things done" by not following the known rules, but inventing new rules as they go. That can turn out great, but it can also end in disaster. But the thing is - If nobody ever "bend the rules" sometimes, nothing new will ever be discovered.
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Post by ProbeAway on Jun 25, 2017 12:15:24 GMT
I just head canoned that there weren't many well-grounded people in the Milky Way who (a) had the kinds of skills they were after and ( wanted to go on a one way trip to Andromeda just 'cause. Hence most of the team are misfits in one way or another. Better a guy who struggles to follow rules than a psycho who'll flip out and wreck your ship. #glasshalffull
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Post by Deleted on Jun 25, 2017 12:32:55 GMT
Anyways Alec Ryder explains his hirng process in his speech on Ark Hyperion before you leave. He says he wants dreamers, explorers, people who push the edge of the map. But, I think its better to say he wants Dreamers, as in builders. People who want to build a better future. Discounting the really minor characters on the team that did not make the squad later, Grier, Kirkland, etc, and also excluding the Ryder siblings...since their motivations for joining the iniative is ultimatley left up to the player...Cora and Liam settle this archetype. Liam wants to build the future in more of a meta sense, being really philosophical about it, he wants to see everyone works together. Cora is more practical about it. Building a guarden, a foundation, and seeing it grow is her modus operndai. Its really quite...in your face when you think about it. THANK YOU. Good to see at least someone is still using his brain for thinking.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 25, 2017 13:41:23 GMT
Yeah, Cora and Liam don't seem to have anything in common. Cora was point blank told she should leave Talein's Daughters. Liam kept getting suspended. Neither one really fit in. The only difference was that Cora essentially deluded herself... putting her old squad onto a pedestal... so much better than herself and Liam didn't. Alec seems to have recruited people he thought were capable, but who were being treated as outsiders... much like himself.
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Post by vonuber on Jun 26, 2017 0:26:52 GMT
Yeah, Cora and Liam don't seem to have anything in common. They do though, they're both poorly written. Are you a former Bioware employee who was fired for being useless? I'm just trying to work out why you continue to bother.
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Post by suikoden on Jun 26, 2017 0:36:24 GMT
They do though, they're both poorly written. Are you a former Bioware employee who was fired for being useless? I'm just trying to work out why you continue to bother. I've explained why countless times. Mainly though it's because I know how easily you're triggered.
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Post by Steelcan on Jun 26, 2017 0:41:04 GMT
the problem isn't that Alec hired a reckless, not by the book, kind guy like Liam.
Liam's problem is that he's an uninteresting repeat of a well trodden cliche.
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Post by Gwydden on Jun 26, 2017 0:45:30 GMT
the problem isn't that Alec hired a reckless, not by the book, kind guy like Liam. Liam's problem is that he's an uninteresting repeat of a well trodden cliche. I dunno. He sounds exactly like Garrus
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