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Post by Conquer Your Dreams on Jun 30, 2017 17:14:03 GMT
Who cares, if there is no one to confirm it. I could write that my sources says Mulder was always right, but as long Scully will not confirm it it's still a rumour.
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Post by Croatsky on Jun 30, 2017 17:14:23 GMT
First he says DLC's ain't coming, then he says he doesn't know they're coming, but straight after this hoax he goes back to DLC's are not coming.
You know, from a company that follow strict NDA's from EA, they sure are some devs who "confirm" no DLC's are coming up on short notice. And only to him. Nothing to IGN, GameInformer, Gamestop or other mainstream site. Just to him at Kotaku.
Never trust anonymous sources when they come just from one media outlet, especially when they don't give out any details nor specifics. Gaming press media is a disgrace.
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Post by malgus on Jun 30, 2017 17:14:30 GMT
Indeed. He's built quite the reputation and frankly, he can't afford to be the guy who claimed there was no DLC coming if it turns out there is. True because he put himself in a xanatos gambit, a win-win situation, 1. if there is indeed no dlc, he would be the guy who was right all along, he would have predicted it bla bla bla. 2. And if there is dlc, he will just say "oh but drastic changes happen and my anonymous sources have told me that in the recent months the higher up finally decided to do dlc and... bla bla bla", so there is no way to argue with him. If there is single player dlc, he could just come up with an other story claiming that drastic changed did happen and that is why we are seeing story dlc as of now, and he would be the one who covers the story...
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Post by OrbitalWings on Jun 30, 2017 17:16:53 GMT
Indeed. He's built quite the reputation and frankly, he can't afford to be the guy who claimed there was no DLC coming if it turns out there is. True because he put himself in a xanatos gambit, a win-win situation, 1. if there is indeed no dlc, he would be the guy who was right all along, he would have predicted it bla bla bla. 2. And if there is dlc, he will just say "oh but drastic changes happen... bla bla bla", so there is no way to argue with him. If there is story dlc, he could just come up with an other story claiming that drastic changed did happen and that is why we are seeing story dlc as of now, and he would be the one who covers the story... Exactly this. He's able to write this story that's sure to grab a lot of attention, with the perfect way out in the whole 'they might pivot' thing. And no one will ever be able to prove if he was telling the truth or not.
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Post by merlinistyle on Jun 30, 2017 17:17:06 GMT
Its just the Quarian ark wont be a DLC, it would be a Patch or, idk, an Extension.
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Post by Conquer Your Dreams on Jun 30, 2017 17:17:46 GMT
Its just the Quarian ark wont be a DLC, it would be a Patch or, idk, an Extension. Or a book. Time will tell.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2017 17:17:56 GMT
True because he put himself in a xanatos gambit, a win-win situation, 1. if there is indeed no dlc, he would be the guy who was right all along, he would have predicted it bla bla bla. 2. And if there is dlc, he will just say "oh but drastic changes happen... bla bla bla", so there is no way to argue with him. If there is story dlc, he could just come up with an other story claiming that drastic changed did happen and that is why we are seeing story dlc as of now, and he would be the one who covers the story... Exactly this. He's able to write this story that's sure to grab a lot of attention, with the perfect way out in the whole 'they might pivot' thing. And no one will ever be able to prove if he was telling the truth or not. Yeah I noticed he kept it still possible, so he is not all wrong if it happens: "Unless BioWare decides to make some sort of drastic pivot ( plans can always change!), Mass Effect: Andromeda will not be getting single-player DLC."
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Post by AnDromedary on Jun 30, 2017 17:18:51 GMT
The really good news is that this Kotaku thing might just cause BW/EA to finally pitch in about all this guesswork sooner rather than later.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2017 17:19:48 GMT
I'm obviously not a game developer and therefore am ignorant of the ins and outs of decision making about games, but nevertheless I do find it odd that Bioware did not use their official response to the hoax as an opportunity to confirm that they are working on some single player DLC that would be coming out sometime in the future. At this point, some amount of clarification or confirmation of impending DLC would be be helpful, IMO. I don't find it odd at all. In a multibillion dollar company that also has shareholders. I am sure they aren't allowed to say anything about a lot of things. The thing that always hits me odd is that DLC is cheap to make by comparison. It takes far less people and far less time and three of them command the full price of a game. They also can bolster sales of the original game if people hear they are good and decide to give all of it a try. DLC is almost a done deal for any game. As a game developer you would have to be dense in the game and the wallet to NOT do DLC. I mean it's like taking candy from a baby. They also have been doing upkeep on the game, fixing things they didn't have to fix if they were going to call it dead and have no DLC. So all logic points to yes there will be DLC. Heck, they have books. And didn't we have voice actors going into the studio after the release of the game? All these things seem to imply there will be DLC and that not doing it actually does them no good. sales would have to be outright abysmal which I can't imagine they were.
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Post by SofNascimento on Jun 30, 2017 17:20:19 GMT
It's quite amazing that so many people can't even entertain the thought that is a credible journalist just reporting what he heard.
So, 3 months from now, if there is no DLC for Andromeda. People will say he was just guessing? And got lucky? No wonder Trump in the potus.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2017 17:21:18 GMT
I'm obviously not a game developer and therefore am ignorant of the ins and outs of decision making about games, but nevertheless I do find it odd that Bioware did not use their official response to the hoax as an opportunity to confirm that they are working on some single player DLC that would be coming out sometime in the future. At this point, some amount of clarification or confirmation of impending DLC would be be helpful, IMO. I don't find it odd at all. In a multibillion dollar company that also has shareholders. I am sure they aren't allowed to say anything about a lot of things. The thing that always hits me odd is that DLC is cheap to make by comparison. It takes far less people and far less time and three of them command the full price of a game. They also can bolster sales of the original game if people hear they are good and decide to give all of it a try. DLC is almost a done deal for any game. As a game developer you would have to be dense in the game and the wallet to NOT do DLC. I mean it's like taking candy from a baby. They also have been doing upkeep on the game, fixing things they didn't have to fix if they were going to call it dead and have no DLC. So all logic points to yes there will be DLC. Heck, they have books. And didn't we have voice actors going into the studio after the release of the game? All these things seem to imply there will be DLC and that not doing it actually does them no good. sales would have to be outright abysmal which I can't imagine they were. Did you see any tweets from the devs in his article, where they hint at stuff to come?
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Post by merlinistyle on Jun 30, 2017 17:23:53 GMT
Its just the Quarian ark wont be a DLC, it would be a Patch or, idk, an Extension. Or a book. Time will tell. Imagine, that they had cut off so much content to make it up to the forced release date, that now they are working on a sequel, that is clearly not a DLC, but a nice Continuation of the story
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Post by jaegerbane on Jun 30, 2017 17:24:23 GMT
Yesterday, a widely shared Facebook post claimed that BioWare had canceled Mass Effect: Andromeda’s downloadable content. The good news: that Facebook post was a hoax. The bad news: they guessed correctly. Mass Effect: Andromeda will indeed not be receiving any single-player DLC, three people familiar with BioWare’s plans have told me. AKA WAAAAAAAAH!! People are starting to call me out on my shit again! Iz total real serious guysz! #Immakingamintfromthehatetrain #ClickMe #Buymynewbook Yeah. This has the pathetic feel of him trying to salvage something. Basically, he's all in by putting his reputation on the line. Schriever's an idiot, especially with a book coming out. I bet his publisher isn't happy. It's all or nothing. If no DLC comes out then his publisher will likely expect and uptick in income and push the 'this man was the one who broke the Destiny, No Man's Sky and MEA stories!' If it does, then I'd be surprised if they stay as his publisher - odds are there'll be some kind of contract in place that covers professionalism clauses.
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Post by LogicGunn on Jun 30, 2017 17:25:50 GMT
My issue here with all these "sources" is that EA are very big on their NDA's, I can't imagine how so many people who know anything about any game would be willing to break one to talk to an internet journalist with a shady reputation. I'm not saying it couldn't happen, but if I was under an NDA from them I wouldn't even tell my imaginary dog for fear of repercussion.
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Post by jaegerbane on Jun 30, 2017 17:27:32 GMT
Indeed. He's built quite the reputation and frankly, he can't afford to be the guy who claimed there was no DLC coming if it turns out there is. True because he put himself in a xanatos gambit, a win-win situation, 1. if there is indeed no dlc, he would be the guy who was right all along, he would have predicted it bla bla bla. 2. And if there is dlc, he will just say "oh but drastic changes happen... bla bla bla", so there is no way to argue with him. If there is story dlc, he could just come up with an other story claiming that drastic changed did happen and that is why we are seeing story dlc as of now, and he would be the one who covers the story... I'm sure he'll go with some flavour of 2) if it comes to that, but he won't shake the reputation as being some dick who couldn't get his story right. If nothing else, Kotaku have worked pretty hard to shake off the gawker reputation and I highly doubt that this excuse will protect his job. I mean, any old nut can claim circumstances changed.
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Post by ApocAlypsE on Jun 30, 2017 17:28:22 GMT
Well if it is true Bioware and EA wouldn't say a word about it. Guess what is going to happen now...
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Post by SofaJockey on Jun 30, 2017 17:30:10 GMT
I'm obviously not a game developer and therefore am ignorant of the ins and outs of decision making about games, but nevertheless I do find it odd that Bioware did not use their official response to the hoax as an opportunity to confirm that they are working on some single player DLC that would be coming out sometime in the future. At this point, some amount of clarification or confirmation of impending DLC would be be helpful, IMO. In my view, the #1 reason EA/BioWare don't announce DLC is because from a revenue recognition perspective, when they do they have to accrue the revenue and that has market and tax implications. As long as they say nothing, the profit accruals don't have to go on the books. Reading around (particularly a poster called suibhne on RPGwatch), if EA/BioWare sell a game (MEA) without reference to there being DLC, (which they did) then they can recognize all the revenue from game sales up front (i.e. within Financial Year 2016/17). If however a DLC is advertised, without knowing of course how it will sell, that creates an ongoing performance obligation for which companies are obliged to withhold a portion of revenue for later recognition once the DLC has been delivered. I think this is why they don't have a Season Pass, which presumably sets the same obligations. This is not necessarily about cash in the bank (people pay for the games up front) but it could impact how a company recognizes profit (and how much of it) which could affect investor and market valuations. If DLC is announced shortly before launch then there is a shortest possible period between the revenue having to be recognized and the actual cash arriving. TL;DR Not saying anything about DLC is likely a financial obligation, not because they don't want to. I am not an accountant, just trying to get my head around it, happy to take corrections from accountants.
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Post by ebevan91 on Jun 30, 2017 17:30:40 GMT
Well if it is true Bioware and EA wouldn't say a word about it. Guess what is going to happen now... That's what I was thinking. If all of this was just false then they would come out and say that there will be singleplayer DLC for the game. Their silence on the subject is worrying me.
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Post by samhain444 on Jun 30, 2017 17:33:05 GMT
I'm obviously not a game developer and therefore am ignorant of the ins and outs of decision making about games, but nevertheless I do find it odd that Bioware did not use their official response to the hoax as an opportunity to confirm that they are working on some single player DLC that would be coming out sometime in the future. At this point, some amount of clarification or confirmation of impending DLC would be be helpful, IMO. In my view, the #1 reason EA/BioWare don't announce DLC is because from a revenue recognition perspective, when they do they have to accrue the revenue and that has market and tax implications. As long as they say nothing, the profit accruals don't have to go on the books. Reading around (particularly a poster called suibhne on RPGwatch), if EA/BioWare sell a game (MEA) without reference to there being DLC, (which they did) then they can recognize all the revenue from game sales up front (i.e. within Financial Year 2016/17). If however a DLC is advertised, without knowing of course how it will sell, that creates an ongoing performance obligation for which companies are obliged to withhold a portion of revenue for later recognition once the DLC has been delivered. I think this is why they don't have a Season Pass, which presumably sets the same obligations. This is not necessarily about cash in the bank (people pay for the games up front) but it could impact how a company recognizes profit (and how much of it) which could affect investor and market valuations. If DLC is announced shortly before launch then there is a shortest possible period between the revenue having to be recognized and the actual cash arriving. TL;DR Not saying anything about DLC is likely a financial obligation, not because they don't want to. I am not an accountant, just trying to get my head around it, happy to take corrections from accountants. This is an excellent, not often alluded to, point
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Post by Andrew Waples on Jun 30, 2017 17:34:54 GMT
My issue here with all these "sources" is that EA are very big on their NDA's, I can't imagine how so many people who know anything about any game would be willing to break one to talk to an internet journalist with a shady reputation. I'm not saying it couldn't happen, but if I was under an NDA from them I wouldn't even tell my imaginary dog for fear of repercussion. All were missing is a deep throat character to "follow the money" and we got a sequel to All the President's Men. This would be such an amazing documentary one day if this behind-the-scenes story can ever be told.
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Post by kino on Jun 30, 2017 17:35:06 GMT
Oh, just let him get caught with his pants down again. After his complete buy in on the hoax this is to be expected.
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Post by bigbad on Jun 30, 2017 17:36:55 GMT
I'm obviously not a game developer and therefore am ignorant of the ins and outs of decision making about games, but nevertheless I do find it odd that Bioware did not use their official response to the hoax as an opportunity to confirm that they are working on some single player DLC that would be coming out sometime in the future. At this point, some amount of clarification or confirmation of impending DLC would be be helpful, IMO. In my view, the #1 reason EA/BioWare don't announce DLC is because from a revenue recognition perspective, when they do they have to accrue the revenue and that has market and tax implications. As long as they say nothing, the profit accruals don't have to go on the books. Reading around (particularly a poster called suibhne on RPGwatch), if EA/BioWare sell a game (MEA) without reference to there being DLC, (which they did) then they can recognize all the revenue from game sales up front (i.e. within Financial Year 2016/17). If however a DLC is advertised, without knowing of course how it will sell, that creates an ongoing performance obligation for which companies are obliged to withhold a portion of revenue for later recognition once the DLC has been delivered. I think this is why they don't have a Season Pass, which presumably sets the same obligations. This is not necessarily about cash in the bank (people pay for the games up front) but it could impact how a company recognizes profit (and how much of it) which could affect investor and market valuations. If DLC is announced shortly before launch then there is a shortest possible period between the revenue having to be recognized and the actual cash arriving. TL;DR Not saying anything about DLC is likely a financial obligation, not because they don't want to. I am not an accountant, just trying to get my head around it, happy to take corrections from accountants. Interesting perspective, thanks. But is there a difference between announcing an actual DLC with an official name (and possibly release date) and announcing that work on future content is ongoing? I have no legal knowledge of the matter, but it sure seems like plenty of other developers are less tight lipped about this sort of thing than Bioware has been lately.
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Post by LogicGunn on Jun 30, 2017 17:37:33 GMT
My issue here with all these "sources" is that EA are very big on their NDA's, I can't imagine how so many people who know anything about any game would be willing to break one to talk to an internet journalist with a shady reputation. I'm not saying it couldn't happen, but if I was under an NDA from them I wouldn't even tell my imaginary dog for fear of repercussion. All were missing is a deep throat character to "follow the money" and we got a sequel to All the President's Men. This would be such an amazing documentary one day if this behind-the-scenes story can ever be told. If you're gonna have a conspiracy, it might as well be massively complex!
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Post by Sanunes on Jun 30, 2017 17:37:37 GMT
The problem for me is how can I trust an author where he comes across not trusting his sources when you put "Things can always change" you are leaving yourself a backdoor to be right either way. Just like the two or three times he had to go back and edit his article talking about BioWare Montreal closing, from my experience using the expression "empty computers" means they have plans to go back there just isn't anyone there right now otherwise the computer would be gone so again he can backtrack and say he misunderstood, but was right about empty computers.
The second problem I have is that he seem to be the only person with "sources" inside BioWare/EA. Nobody else has gotten anyone to tell them about these plans of EA's and frankly low level minions rarely know the plans from high level management. So when he used his sources saying "they expected to go right into development of a sequel" seems like something a source would say because it is from the perspective of a low level employee.
Now with my experience with BioWare and their DLC cycle, they have always kept us informed if the decision to end DLC support was made by either releasing a DLC as "the final one" or a post about cancelling the Exalted March for Dragon Age II. They haven't strung us along about it at all. As posted in other threads unless it was Day 1 DLC which the internet hated BioWare always took several months to release their first DLC for a game.
Now does all that mean Jason is wrong and we will get a DLC, of course not. The problem right now is that to me his credibility is lower then EA/BioWare since he keeps leaving a backdoor to prove he was right either way.
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