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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2017 17:42:49 GMT
I don't find it odd at all. In a multibillion dollar company that also has shareholders. I am sure they aren't allowed to say anything about a lot of things. The thing that always hits me odd is that DLC is cheap to make by comparison. It takes far less people and far less time and three of them command the full price of a game. They also can bolster sales of the original game if people hear they are good and decide to give all of it a try. DLC is almost a done deal for any game. As a game developer you would have to be dense in the game and the wallet to NOT do DLC. I mean it's like taking candy from a baby. They also have been doing upkeep on the game, fixing things they didn't have to fix if they were going to call it dead and have no DLC. So all logic points to yes there will be DLC. Heck, they have books. And didn't we have voice actors going into the studio after the release of the game? All these things seem to imply there will be DLC and that not doing it actually does them no good. sales would have to be outright abysmal which I can't imagine they were. Did you see any tweets from the devs in his article, where they hint at stuff to come? He says down in responses within that one 'When we can, we will.' Here's something from Mark Darrah (EP of dragon age) on twitter: READ ALL of Mark's reason on that specific tweet when you click on it and you will fully understand what I have been saying all along as to why a multibillion dollar corporation with shareholders cannot say something until they can say something. and of course Mike Gamble who is the reigning king for hoax killing: These guys are bending over backwards to gently help people read between the lines in the safest and only way they can. Jason doesn't know Jack.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2017 17:44:03 GMT
I'm obviously not a game developer and therefore am ignorant of the ins and outs of decision making about games, but nevertheless I do find it odd that Bioware did not use their official response to the hoax as an opportunity to confirm that they are working on some single player DLC that would be coming out sometime in the future. At this point, some amount of clarification or confirmation of impending DLC would be be helpful, IMO. In my view, the #1 reason EA/BioWare don't announce DLC is because from a revenue recognition perspective, when they do they have to accrue the revenue and that has market and tax implications. As long as they say nothing, the profit accruals don't have to go on the books. Reading around (particularly a poster called suibhne on RPGwatch), if EA/BioWare sell a game (MEA) without reference to there being DLC, (which they did) then they can recognize all the revenue from game sales up front (i.e. within Financial Year 2016/17). If however a DLC is advertised, without knowing of course how it will sell, that creates an ongoing performance obligation for which companies are obliged to withhold a portion of revenue for later recognition once the DLC has been delivered. I think this is why they don't have a Season Pass, which presumably sets the same obligations. This is not necessarily about cash in the bank (people pay for the games up front) but it could impact how a company recognizes profit (and how much of it) which could affect investor and market valuations. If DLC is announced shortly before launch then there is a shortest possible period between the revenue having to be recognized and the actual cash arriving. TL;DR Not saying anything about DLC is likely a financial obligation, not because they don't want to. I am not an accountant, just trying to get my head around it, happy to take corrections from accountants. SEC regulations is a huge one for a company that is on the NYSE. I think that might have major implications.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2017 17:44:20 GMT
Did you see any tweets from the devs in his article, where they hint at stuff to come? He says down in responses within that one 'When we can, we will.' Here's something from Mark Darrah (EP of dragon age) on twitter: READ ALL of Mark's reason on that specific tweet when you click on it and you will fully understand what I have been saying all along as to why a multibillion dollar corporation with shareholders cannot say something until they can say something. and of course Mike Gamble who is the reigning king for hoax killing: These guys are bending over backwards to gently help people read between the lines in the safest and only way they can. Jason doesn't know Jack. That's exactly what I thought!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2017 17:45:26 GMT
*waves* hi Jason!
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Post by Serza on Jun 30, 2017 17:45:38 GMT
Guy needs to stop while he has SOME credibility left.
At this rate, he'll end up with a job worse than mine, and right now, it seems like I'll be working at whatever compares best to Walmart in Europe.
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Post by LogicGunn on Jun 30, 2017 17:50:29 GMT
Did you see any tweets from the devs in his article, where they hint at stuff to come? He says down in responses within that one 'When we can, we will.' Here's something from Mark Darrah (EP of dragon age) on twitter: READ ALL of Mark's reason on that specific tweet when you click on it and you will fully understand what I have been saying all along as to why a multibillion dollar corporation with shareholders cannot say something until they can say something. and of course Mike Gamble who is the reigning king for hoax killing: These guys are bending over backwards to gently help people read between the lines in the safest and only way they can. Jason doesn't know Jack. I got that impression too. These people are as mad and geeky as we are, I imagine it's driving them nuts not to be able to say anything. I felt like some of the recent tweets are very much, if not hints then at least camaraderie, whatever the future holds.
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Post by SofaJockey on Jun 30, 2017 17:54:24 GMT
There are empty computers after every game launch. There were after Dragon Age Inquisition.
Contracts end, developers are let go - you don't need a ton of developers while you're in pre-production.
Yes you can move people around, but that reiies on multiple projects aligning.
This classic video explores the issue:
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Post by Sanunes on Jun 30, 2017 18:00:06 GMT
There are empty computers after every game launch. There were after Dragon Age Inquisition. Contracts end, developers are let go - you don't need a ton of developers while you're in pre-production. Yes you can move people around, but that reiies on multiple projects aligning. This classic video explores the issue: Yep, instead of firing everyone they just moved them to other studios like they fired everyone in the past (or let their contracts expire). The interesting thing about the timing of the move as well is that it was at the same time Motion Studios was probably starting or had already started crunch of Battlefront 2 and BioWare Edmonton was probably starting to ramp up on Anthem. After that we heard the script was in the works for Dragon Age 4, which means they might have even taken a few people there. I think people think it never happened at BioWare in the past because they had the Mass Effect/Dragon Age teams at the same location so they didn't see the movement between teams as much as when they move people out of a studio that only makes one franchise.
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Post by cypherj on Jun 30, 2017 18:01:58 GMT
My issue here with all these "sources" is that EA are very big on their NDA's, I can't imagine how so many people who know anything about any game would be willing to break one to talk to an internet journalist with a shady reputation. I'm not saying it couldn't happen, but if I was under an NDA from them I wouldn't even tell my imaginary dog for fear of repercussion. It's technically treason in the government and people do it all the time. Every time you hear about a source in any aspect of life, that source probably had a NDA, or something in their contract where they weren't supposed to be talking about company business to anyone.
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Post by malgus on Jun 30, 2017 18:02:59 GMT
Oh by the way someone should take screenshot of jason's article, maybe he is going to edit them in the near future... But what do I know...
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Post by setokaiba on Jun 30, 2017 18:07:08 GMT
I guess we will see in a few months if he was right or not.
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Post by Cyan_Griffonclaw on Jun 30, 2017 18:08:44 GMT
My issue here with all these "sources" is that EA are very big on their NDA's, I can't imagine how so many people who know anything about any game would be willing to break one to talk to an internet journalist with a shady reputation. I'm not saying it couldn't happen, but if I was under an NDA from them I wouldn't even tell my imaginary dog for fear of repercussion. I'm not on Facebook, Twitter, or Reddit because they are specifically named in my NDA. I'm here because it's the only place I can post without having to worry about that.
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Post by LogicGunn on Jun 30, 2017 18:09:53 GMT
My issue here with all these "sources" is that EA are very big on their NDA's, I can't imagine how so many people who know anything about any game would be willing to break one to talk to an internet journalist with a shady reputation. I'm not saying it couldn't happen, but if I was under an NDA from them I wouldn't even tell my imaginary dog for fear of repercussion. It's technically treason in the government and people do it all the time. Every time you hear about a source in any aspect of life, that source probably had a NDA, or something in their contract where they weren't supposed to be talking about company business to anyone. I just don't see multiple people attached to the same game project breaking an NDA to a single journalist. It's a game. It's not like some kind of governmental cover up of avoidable death where the information is worth the risk.
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Post by maximusarael020 on Jun 30, 2017 18:16:35 GMT
Careful! Remember what happened last time? I imagine you are still trying to clean that egg off your face...
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Post by kotoreffect3 on Jun 30, 2017 18:17:45 GMT
I guess we will see in a few months if he was right or not. Only time will tell. If summer comes and goes and we get no dlc I will not be happy but I will also not be surprised. Do the right thing for your fans bioware that have supported this series for the last ten years and release some dlc complete out the game and tie up loose ends.
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Post by malgus on Jun 30, 2017 18:17:59 GMT
Its strange the more I think of it, the more I remember sinclair networks meltdown. You remember the short time where their comments was up and they said there will not be any dlc? and anyone questionning them was called a troll or harasser... Like they could not take any criticsm, and after that was the meltdown where they just erased their account... I cannot be sure if mass effect andromeda will be supported again but I sure see ressemblance between sinclair networks and jason schreir. I am sure they are NOT the same person, But I could not help but remember how much they are speaking about the future dlc plans, their manners is well very similar... I repeat I don,t think jason is Sinclair networks but my god I just thought of that and .
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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2017 18:19:14 GMT
Its strange the more I think of it, the more I remember sinclair networks meltdown. You remember the short time where their comments was up and they said there will not be any dlc? and anyone questionning them was called a troll or harasser... Like they could not take any criticsm, and after that was the meltdown where they just erased their account... I cannot be sure if mass effect andromeda will be supported again but I sure see ressemblance between sinclair networks and jason schreir. I am sure they are NOT the same person, But I could not help but remember how much they are speaking about the future dlc plans, their manners is well very similar... I repeat I don,t think jason is Sinclair networks but my god I just thought of that and . Yep! That's exactly how I felt. Got the same vibe right away!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2017 18:19:18 GMT
First he says DLC's ain't coming, then he says he doesn't know they're coming, but straight after this hoax he goes back to DLC's are not coming. You know, from a company that follow strict NDA's from EA, they sure are some devs who "confirm" no DLC's are coming up on short notice. And only to him. Nothing to IGN, GameInformer, Gamestop or other mainstream site. Just to him at Kotaku.Never trust anonymous sources when they come just from one media outlet, especially when they don't give out any details nor specifics. Gaming press media is a disgrace. Well said.
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Post by Serza on Jun 30, 2017 18:23:06 GMT
Careful! Remember what happened last time? I imagine you are still trying to clean that egg off your face... That's what happens when you put your eggs for breakfast and your Willy Pete next to each other. BAD. FUCKING. GRABS.
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Post by jaegerbane on Jun 30, 2017 18:23:13 GMT
I cannot be sure if mass effect andromeda will be supported again but I sure see ressemblance between sinclair networks and jason schreir. I am sure they are NOT the same person, But I could not help but remember how much they are speaking about the future dlc plans, their manners is well very similar... I repeat I don,t think jason is Sinclair networks but my god I just thought of that and . I was (partially) joking when I made the suggestion earlier. I'm far more inclined to believe he's just some journo who's trying to build up a buzz and a combination of his tall statements and the Sinclair farce have rendered his ego a little more fragile than usual. It would be absolutely priceless if it turned out to be the case, though
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Post by jclosed on Jun 30, 2017 18:26:57 GMT
I simply not believe him. It's all too accidentally at the right moment. How comes those sources suddenly become active right after the Sinclair story is debunked? It's simply all too conveniently at the right moment. I don't buy it.
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Post by blanks on Jun 30, 2017 18:28:25 GMT
And today we discover the MEA novel 'Annihilation' (working title "The Lost Ark") releases September 1st. Hmmm... The books have been done for a long time. I asked NK Jemisin about her book when she was streaming on twitch and she said it had been done for about a year (this was before ME:A even launched). First he says DLC's ain't coming, then he says he doesn't know they're coming, but straight after this hoax he goes back to DLC's are not coming. His first comment w/r/t DLC was after his big story about ME:A's troubled development. All he said was that he hadn't heard anything about DLC plans, but that he wouldn't bet on it based on BioWare being focused on Anthem, DA4, and the ME:A studio being moved around / re-tasked elsewhere. This was not in his article, but added after the fact in a reddit convo as his own view on why it might not be coming down the pike. As others have pointed out in this thread, debunking the facebook post and checking with his own sources are in no way at odds. Similarly, if there's enough of an outcry after this news and BioWare does announce something later it doesn't mean that Schreier is a hack. Things change, sources can be right and then be wrong a month or two later. A lot will depend on ME:A's continued sales / mp revenue and if BioWare can pitch EA on a DLC product that won't have some huge dev cost.
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Post by flyingovertrout on Jun 30, 2017 18:29:01 GMT
Sinclair Networks = obvious scam Jason = legit gaming journalist who knows lots of industry people and has good insider reporting record, who certainly has contacts at Bioware since he interviewed devs there not too long ago
SN being a hoax =/= Jason being wrong
If Jason turns out to be wrong, it won't be because of maliciousness/clicks/out to personally get MEA fans (of which I'm one). Sometimes sources just get things wrong. He's only relaying what he's told. He's good enough at his job that he wouldn't write anything that he didn't corroborate with more than just a single source (which is how this works in journalism) and didn't have high confidence in. His rep is on the line, after all. And intentionally making shit up would get his boss Stephen Totillo to fire his ass in a heartbeat.
News bums me out but just because I don't want to hear it, doesn't mean it's not true. Therein lies FAEK NOOZ madness.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2017 18:29:16 GMT
And today we discover the MEA novel 'Annihilation' (working title "The Lost Ark") releases September 1st. Hmmm... The books have been done for a long time. I asked NK Jemisin about her book when she was streaming on twitch and she said it had been done for about a year (this was before ME:A even launched). Putting it off until the Fall sure makes it sound like they are waiting to announce a DLC.
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