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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2017 13:24:17 GMT
What reputation does he have to lose? Like 80% of his audience are short sighted people that will forget everything in a week or two. But making up stories, especially drama stories generates revenue. " Unless BioWare decides to make some sort of drastic pivot (plans can always change!), Mass Effect: Andromeda will not be getting single-player DLC." - How convenient, he also left a window for exit in case his story will end up fake, and it will. To an extent, his reputation is tied to his book release. I agree, it seems to be a weird gamble to make. Given everything that has happened, it wouldn't surprise me that his initial research/'sources' pulled up enough info for him to build an article around, and at least initially, he was honestly trying to report a developing situation that would get clicks. Hence his original, reasonably rational article. At some stage he realised that some/all of his sources were telling tall tales. Cue the article revisions. Cue the weird reddit responses. Then this Sinclair thing blows up and all of a sudden he finds himself on the wrong end of a hoax, with a book coming out soon, and editor of a new site that has worked hard to shake off its Gawker history. Panic stations, cue the crazy 'I HAVE DECLARED THERE WILL BE NO DLC' article and that weird shit on Twitter. Total speculation of course, but I can't think why else a guy can come up with a well-researched article one month then lose the plot the next. Sounds like history repeating. He did this with GAF.
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Post by Croatsky on Jul 1, 2017 13:27:40 GMT
What reputation does he have to lose? Like 80% of his audience are short sighted people that will forget everything in a week or two. But making up stories, especially drama stories generates revenue. " Unless BioWare decides to make some sort of drastic pivot (plans can always change!), Mass Effect: Andromeda will not be getting single-player DLC." - How convenient, he also left a window for exit in case his story will end up fake, and it will. To an extent, his reputation is tied to his book release. I agree, it seems to be a weird gamble to make. Given everything that has happened, it wouldn't surprise me that his initial research/'sources' pulled up enough info for him to build an article around, and at least initially, he was honestly trying to report a developing situation that would get clicks. Hence his original, reasonably rational article. At some stage he realised that some/all of his sources were telling tall tales. Cue the article revisions. Cue the weird reddit responses. Then this Sinclair thing blows up and all of a sudden he finds himself on the wrong end of a hoax, with a book coming out soon, and editor of a new site that has worked hard to shake off its Gawker history. Panic stations, cue the crazy 'I HAVE DECLARED THERE WILL BE NO DLC' article and that weird shit on Twitter. Total speculation of course, but I can't think why else a guy can come up with a well-researched article one month then lose the plot the next. I'll also add that in his story about troubled ME:A developed, he started his anonymous sources are "people who work at BioWare". But for ME:A being put on ice and no DLC's will be made, he states his anonymous sources are "people familiar with BioWare". That's some serious shady use of the language. Just about anyone can be "familiar with BioWare".
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2017 13:29:09 GMT
To an extent, his reputation is tied to his book release. I agree, it seems to be a weird gamble to make. Given everything that has happened, it wouldn't surprise me that his initial research/'sources' pulled up enough info for him to build an article around, and at least initially, he was honestly trying to report a developing situation that would get clicks. Hence his original, reasonably rational article. At some stage he realised that some/all of his sources were telling tall tales. Cue the article revisions. Cue the weird reddit responses. Then this Sinclair thing blows up and all of a sudden he finds himself on the wrong end of a hoax, with a book coming out soon, and editor of a new site that has worked hard to shake off its Gawker history. Panic stations, cue the crazy 'I HAVE DECLARED THERE WILL BE NO DLC' article and that weird shit on Twitter. Total speculation of course, but I can't think why else a guy can come up with a well-researched article one month then lose the plot the next. I'll also that in his story about troubled ME:A developed, he started his anonymous sources are "people who work at BioWare". But for ME:A being put on ice and no DLC's will be made, he states his anonymous sources are "people familiar with BioWare". That's some serious shady use of the language. Just about anyone can be "familiar with BioWare". Still sounds like the SN guys found a scapegoat.
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Post by Sanunes on Jul 1, 2017 13:29:13 GMT
I don't think Respawn are an EA company so it's a different (third party) scenario. Titanfall is also a much younger property and so it's sales expectations while muted were probably lower to begin with. EA prioritized their own Battlefield 1 when push came to shove. Mass Effect A was put out to pasture in March to pad out their Q4, they clearly weren't expecting a great deal of success so i wouldn't be surprised if it met their expectations. Mass Effect 3 was released in March. Mass Effect 2 was released in January. So did EA also have very low expectations for those two games too? Also, EA is a US company. So 1st January to 30th March are 2nd quarter of fiscal year. I am not entirely sure why would Canadian fiscal year matter for EA, but in case it is because BioWare Edmonton and Montreal are there, 4th quarter year in Canada is from 1st January to 30th March. So again, this puts ME2 and ME3 to be set on low expectations along with ME:A. Going by the public releases from EA, their Fiscal Q4 is January 1st to March 31st as well. They released the FY17 Q4 information in May.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2017 13:36:54 GMT
Not really sure what to think as I can't see why he would put his reputation on the line by making a story up. But I also think that canceling dlc would send a terrible message about their confidence in the Mass Effect franchise, and potentially be quite damaging to Bioware/EA. Nobody likes an unresolved cliffhanger, and customers could easily decide to pass future purchases if they don't trust the company to deliver on the big story threads. It might be different, but the first thing I do before embarking on watching a completed series on netflix etc, is to see if it was allowed to run its course, or was unceremoniously canceled with no resolution, if the latter, I usually don't bother. The only reason for canceling dlc that makes any kind of sense to me is if the technical problems that they had encountered making the game in the first place would make the production of dlc prohibitively complicated, and possibly game breaking? What reputation does he have to lose? Like 80% of his audience are short sighted people that will forget everything in a week or two. But making up stories, especially drama stories generates revenue. " Unless BioWare decides to make some sort of drastic pivot (plans can always change!), Mass Effect: Andromeda will not be getting single-player DLC." - How convenient, he also left a window for exit in case his story will end up fake, and it will. Because he's hedged his statements, it doesn't even really rate as decent "fake news." It boils down to a whole bunch of words dressed up to get clicks that basically still says... We're still waiting on an announcement from Bioware. Well, duh, Jason... we all knew that already.
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Post by malgus on Jul 1, 2017 14:12:37 GMT
I wonder when the day Bioware announce SP DLC for Mass Effect Andromeda have come and they said, "this DLC is on our plan for long long time". What this Jason Schreier & another one in this forum will do? He will say that after the announcment he just went back to his sources and apparently, they at first had no intention of making dlc but after some talks they decided to do it. Of course all of this would have happened AFTER he made his article, AFTER his sources claimed there would be no MEA dlc, so of course our friend jason could not be wrong in this cases. Because his anonymous sources could claim anything he wants and nobody from Bioware could say he is wrong, mark darrah already said why.
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Post by Jeremiah12LGeek on Jul 1, 2017 14:14:21 GMT
So yeah, having read 10 pages and followed more links than I should have, I now know a lot more than I actually ended up wanting to.
It's not uncommon in recent decades for pundits to describe themselves as journalists, but it's a sketchy practice. While the follow-up behaviour to articles in fora and on Twitter seems irrational and embarrassing to people looking from the outside in, if you interpret it through the lens of punditry, it actually makes perfect sense.
For example, Anne Coulter will typically make her most controversial statements just before she has a book to come out. Similarly, she will also point to what is said about her as proof that her critics are just haters. While that behaviour might seem strange, it generates exactly the kind of buzz that improves book sales among the only people judging her character that matter to her - her fans and supporters.
Some of us can remember when journalism editors followed a strict rule of not reporting rumour and conjecture. Now people can somewhat understandably struggle to see the difference between a pundit and a journalist.*
My last thought is, surprisingly, to wonder how unwise it might be to point this out, and whether I will find myself being vilified by the guy on Twitter. I mean I'm not seriously worried about it but I did have the thought which is kind of funny...
*I kid you not, when I re-read this before posting, the typo read "hoornalist" and by gawd it was incredibly tempting not to correct it.
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Which one of these article you can't see now?
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Post by Cyan_Griffonclaw on Jul 1, 2017 14:18:54 GMT
I'll also that in his story about troubled ME:A developed, he started his anonymous sources are "people who work at BioWare". But for ME:A being put on ice and no DLC's will be made, he states his anonymous sources are "people familiar with BioWare". That's some serious shady use of the language. Just about anyone can be "familiar with BioWare".Still sounds like the SN guys found a scapegoat. damn straight
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Post by malgus on Jul 1, 2017 14:20:19 GMT
Well im going to bed now. I am just glad that MEA is not getting any SP DLC and is finally dead. Time to move onto DA4 and hope that it does things better. What a sad life you must lead to want others to be unhappy and to wish failure upon a company and the people who work there. I really hope someday something makes you happy. Maybe give up forums for a while. They are clearly not doing anything for your mental health or hold on reality. That's typical for many people, when they are unhappy about something you also better be as angry, sad or unhappy as they are. The joy and pleasure of other makes them angry.
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Post by majesticjazz on Jul 1, 2017 14:23:30 GMT
It appears that BSN is strong in their denial. Now it appears that people are once again using the "it was clickbait" excuse in order to allow them to sleep better at night.
Well, say what you want be even other sites like IGN and Gamestop are quoting that article on that site.
SP DLC is not coming and a MEA2 is even more of a stretch, but keep being in denial if that works for you.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2017 14:26:25 GMT
It appears that BSN is strong in their denial. Now it appears that people are once again using the "it was clickbait" excuse in order to allow them to sleep better at night. Well, say what you want be even other sites like IGN and Gamestop are quoting that article on that site. SP DLC is not coming and a MEA2 is even more of a stretch, but keep being in denial if that works for you. You forgot to like your own comment!
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Post by KaiserShep on Jul 1, 2017 14:30:25 GMT
Gratifying as it is to find that the whole dream-crushing Facebook entity is a total lie, and as much as I'd like to do an in-your-face dance, this stuff is still premature. I do consider the possibility that nothing happens, and all the victory party stuff and singling out the more vocal members of the group could just exacerbate the embarrassment later.
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Post by phoray on Jul 1, 2017 14:32:56 GMT
AS someone who tried MEA for 8 hours, shrugged and stopped, but has tenuous plans to give it a shot again when it's not full price....
this supposed "click bait" article makes me uninclined to even bother then.
I had kinda hoped that complaints about MEA would make MEA2 go back to MET formula. And I don't say this as a major MET fan- I tried and gave up ME1, played ME2 and ME3 exactly once early just this year, and found ME3 to be the best of the three.
Is it now just a confirmed dramatic rumor?
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Post by goishen on Jul 1, 2017 14:38:42 GMT
In the past, games journalists have been just like me. As a matter of fact, a lot geekier than I am. The industry still has yet to shake off that stank, but people like me are still clinging to that ideal. Not for any grand notion, but we know that a geek just like us has nothing to gain, and if he does gain anything it'll be reported on just as quickly as he reported on.
That's why I find this story so salacious. It's going to be a very distant #2 to my Brad McFuckUp McQuaid story. Of course, who can beat that? Cheating with people's wives who work in the same office as you do, bad management, drugs, Hero Clix, getting shit canned in the parking lot, a fantabulous crunch, and to top it all off, Lamborghinis and dirt bikes. That shit was never reported on, but a bunch'a cyber cowboys figured it out.
So, I'll take this story at face value. Because it sounds like the most truth telling I've heard in a while.
EDIT : Oh yah, and theft. Keep forgetting that he stole all of his original ideas from Sojourn.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2017 14:44:45 GMT
Ultimately time will tell. For me, none of this shakes my certainty that DLC will come. Mostly I cannot fathom how people would even believe it would not being that from a business sense it makes zero sense to not make it unless you have some kind of disaster that literally keeps you from doing so or you are so broke that you cannot afford it or the game just didn't even come anywhere close to making sales enough to do anything other than convince you it was basically DOA. None of those reasons hold true here.
People can doubt it all they want. They can disbelieve it all they want. They can spread rumors against it all they want. But none of that matters. The DLC will come and when it does, this debate will be done. Hopefully though all the people like Jason will lose lots of credibility when it happens. In some cases they already have.
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Post by cypherj on Jul 1, 2017 14:51:42 GMT
The longer it goes without any word about it the more likely that the story is true. If there isn't anything by the end of the month, it will start looking bleak. ME2 got DLC threes months after release, and ME3 had the EC three months after release, and there were files found for Leviathan soon after that even though it wasn't released until August.
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Post by Monica21 on Jul 1, 2017 14:53:53 GMT
Dragon Age 2 and ME3 endings backlash were massive. ME:A bakclash is tame in comparison. Don't sell me your revisionist history. Nobody asked for my opinion, but this is the internet so I'll share it anyway. I never really had high hopes for fan reaction to Andromeda, and that's based solely on the fact that people were still hating on ME3 on the old forums. I've never seen a group of people feel personally victimized by a video game before, but those people somehow managed it. I can't remember the guy's name who was doing a blog replay of the trilogy and finding ways to bash Bioware for every single aspect of everything that happened, but that guy had a following and if that guy was mocking Andromeda then a lot of people saw it, and he's not the only one. If Andromeda had been released in the state it's in right now, then yeah, there wouldn't have been much to mock, but that was then. If Andromeda had had an 8 score on Metacritic I think that would have been considered a success, and that's no matter how good the game actually was and is. All that to say that the leftover fan reaction to ME3 created plenty of ill will towards Bioware, and the internet was going to jump on anything, no matter how small. (I say "the internet" because I'm not even sure how many people who claim to hate the game have actually played it.) And I'll also say that while I think the 10-hour trial hurt the game, it actually convinced me to buy it. I wasn't sure what I was getting into so I was happy to see the trial period, and I like the setting, the characters, the whole SAM thing was intriguing, and I wanted to play more. I took a day off work to play it, and I was in a happy bubble for 10 hours and then went to a forum and was like, "oh". I didn't notice the facial animations, and I didn't care that the transition to planets supposedly took a long time. I mean, I still haven't skipped because I think it's pretty. So that sucked, because I wanted to share my enjoyment with other players, but I couldn't do that, and it got to the point where I wasn't allowed to do that. So yeah, all that to say that I never expected a strong, positive fan reaction to Andromeda, but I'm happy with the product, I'm still playing it, and hoping for a DLC.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2017 14:54:25 GMT
The longer it goes without any word about it the more likely that the story is true. If there isn't anything by the end of the month, it will start looking bleak. ME2 got DLC threes months after release, and ME3 had the EC three months after release, and there were files found for Leviathan soon after that even though it wasn't released until August. Except those games were on another engine, easier to work with, had no patches constantly changing the game or adding new content that had to bring in writers, animators and actors, etc... so if they are delayed until the Fall, I am not surprised. People need to stop comparing MET to MEA. It's not the same.
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Post by malgus on Jul 1, 2017 14:55:19 GMT
The longer it goes without any word about it the more likely that the story is true. If there isn't anything by the end of the month, it will start looking bleak. ME2 got DLC threes months after release, and ME3 had the EC three months after release, and there were files found for Leviathan soon after that even though it wasn't released until August. But dragon age inquisition dlc release five months after the original game, because jaws of hakon was more ambitious bigger than leviathan, so if the content they are making right now is big, its gona take more time than 3 months, actually ME 2 dlc were quite small so it was quicker to do.
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Post by goishen on Jul 1, 2017 14:55:26 GMT
Ultimately time will tell. For me, none of this shakes my certainty that DLC will come. Mostly I cannot fathom how people would even believe it would not being that from a business sense it makes zero sense to not make it unless you have some kind of disaster that literally keeps you from doing so or you are so broke that you cannot afford it or the game just didn't even come anywhere close to making sales enough to do anything other than convince you it was basically DOA. None of those reasons hold true here. People can doubt it all they want. They can disbelieve it all they want. They can spread rumors against it all they want. But none of that matters. The DLC will come and when it does, this debate will be done. Hopefully though all the people like Jason will lose lots of credibility when it happens. In some cases they already have.
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Post by kino on Jul 1, 2017 14:57:06 GMT
It appears that BSN is strong in their denial. Now it appears that people are once again using the "it was clickbait" excuse in order to allow them to sleep better at night. Well, say what you want be even other sites like IGN and Gamestop are quoting that article on that site. SP DLC is not coming and a MEA2 is even more of a stretch, but keep being in denial if that works for you. Well, you at least got your book release date. So yea for that at least.
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Post by Croatsky on Jul 1, 2017 15:02:44 GMT
The longer it goes without any word about it the more likely that the story is true. If there isn't anything by the end of the month, it will start looking bleak. ME2 got DLC threes months after release, and ME3 had the EC three months after release, and there were files found for Leviathan soon after that even though it wasn't released until August. Except those games were on another engine, easier to work with, had no patches constantly changing the game or adding new content that had to bring in writers, animators and actors, etc... so if they are delayed until the Fall, I am not surprised. People need to stop comparing MET to MEA. It's not the same. Also there were no hints of DLC's for Dragon Age Inquisition within game's files, which otherwise previous Dragon Age games did. Why? Because game was made on Frostbite engine, just like ME:A. With that engine, EA managed to enforce encryption to stop any more leaks happening within their published games. Remember ME3 pre-alpha build leak? Leaks of story content came out to public within days. But when ME:A 10 hour trial came out, despite pretty much being almost completed game, nobody managed to crack into it's contents to see what's gonna be in full game. In fact, nobody managed to crack open ME:A's files to see any cut content that remained in game's files. Simply put, Frostbite engine has pretty tough encryption on it so no secrets can be cracked open. Some day that might happen, but that day isn't today.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2017 15:05:53 GMT
Except those games were on another engine, easier to work with, had no patches constantly changing the game or adding new content that had to bring in writers, animators and actors, etc... so if they are delayed until the Fall, I am not surprised. People need to stop comparing MET to MEA. It's not the same. Also there were no hints of DLC's for Dragon Age Inquisition within game's files, which otherwise previous Dragon Age games did. Why? Because game was made on Frostbite engine, just like ME:A. With that engine, EA managed to enforce encryption to stop any more leaks happening within their published games. Remember ME3 pre-alpha build leak? Leaks of story content came out to public within days. But when ME:A 10 hour trial came out, despite pretty much being almost completed game, nobody managed to crack into it's contents to see what's gonna be in full game. In fact, nobody managed to crack open ME:A's files to see any cut content that remained in game's files. Simply put, Frostbite engine has pretty tough encryption on it so no secrets can be cracked open. Some day that might happen, but that day isn't today. Oh yeah I remember that, and datamining MEA was an epic fail in many ways too lol Another thing to note is, I followed the m/m patch 1.08 stuff closely and this is how they do it. The announce something is coming Refuse to say anything else Release info 2 days before content is released Ian said that's what marketing was telling them to do.
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