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Post by kino on Jul 7, 2017 20:37:17 GMT
You sound disappointed the game performed far better than you suspected, sport. Don't worry. It'll pass and you'll be fine. Besides, you're constant harping of microtransactions in MP is adorable considering no one has any idea how it's doing since it's digital. Honestly, do you think ME3MP is still bringing in microtransaction money? If it is it's a drip, a drab, and yet EA/BW keeps the game going. They can do that because it's peer to peer, no dedicated servers needed except to track inventory, points and challenges. You sound ridiculous with that argument. It's always satisfying when people start getting personal and rude with their responses. Means I've struck a nerve and probably won the argument. Carry on. And I always find it satisfying when someone plays the victim when they weren't personally attacked. It's cute. Typically means they know they have no argument to make. So here's the deal. Don't want me to call you out? Then do not ever respond to me unless I am directly quoting and replying to you. Period. If you can't do that then deal with the consequences like an adult.
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Post by alanc9 on Jul 7, 2017 20:44:51 GMT
I think it's safe to say the game didn't fail. As of April, and I know that going back a bit, it was the 5th highest selling game of the year. RE7 was the 6th, the difference being that the sales data at that time for RE7 was a known quantity, 3.5 million. Let people keep saying the game failed. It doesn't matter. They look foolish when a very basic search could show them it's actual performance. It's interesting how you are willing to accept NPD numbers when they are in your favour but shun them when they are not. Nevertheless - if Andromeda outsold RE7 with say - 3.5-4m, yet was expected to sell 3m in its first week (needing over a month to reach the expected mark), what does that say about sales moving forwards since according to NPD charting, Andromeda sank out of the top 20 games for June after coming in 15th for May? Again, going by its previous sales pace, according to NPD data, Andromeda has probably stalled out around 4m. That's if we agree to accept NPD data. At this point, someone will bring up digital sales and the argument will continue. My sole point is that a game can sell poorly yet still result in EA being happy with the result because there's no way they didn't know that Andromedas release quality was in the shitter. When we say "fail" in this context, what do we actually mean? Reading these two posts, I'm not sure where the disagreement lies, or if there even is one.
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Post by suikoden on Jul 7, 2017 20:46:08 GMT
It's always satisfying when people start getting personal and rude with their responses. Means I've struck a nerve and probably won the argument. Carry on. And I always find it satisfying when someone plays the victim when they weren't personally attacked. It's cute. Typically means they know they have no argument to make. So here's the deal. Don't want me to call you out? Then do not ever respond to me unless I am directly quoting and replying to you. Period. If you can't do that then deal with the consequences like an adult. Referencing me indirectly as foolish at every opportunity might as well be an attack. I'll treat you like an adult when you start acting like one and stop attacking my posts. Cheerio.
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Post by kino on Jul 7, 2017 20:47:15 GMT
When we say "fail" in this context, what do we actually mean? Reading these two posts, I'm not sure where the disagreement lies, or if there even is one. Financially. I don't think there's a successful argument to be made for a critical success.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 7, 2017 20:48:49 GMT
It's interesting how you are willing to accept NPD numbers when they are in your favour but shun them when they are not. Nevertheless - if Andromeda outsold RE7 with say - 3.5-4m, yet was expected to sell 3m in its first week (needing over a month to reach the expected mark), what does that say about sales moving forwards since according to NPD charting, Andromeda sank out of the top 20 games for June after coming in 15th for May? Again, going by its previous sales pace, according to NPD data, Andromeda has probably stalled out around 4m. That's if we agree to accept NPD data. At this point, someone will bring up digital sales and the argument will continue. My sole point is that a game can sell poorly yet still result in EA being happy with the result because there's no way they didn't know that Andromedas release quality was in the shitter. When we say "fail" in this context, what do we actually mean? Reading these two posts, I'm not sure where the disagreement lies, or if there even is one. Oh, I believe we've known where this particular disagreement lies for a couple of months now....
ComiCon Montreal talk anyone?
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Post by suikoden on Jul 7, 2017 20:48:55 GMT
It's interesting how you are willing to accept NPD numbers when they are in your favour but shun them when they are not. Nevertheless - if Andromeda outsold RE7 with say - 3.5-4m, yet was expected to sell 3m in its first week (needing over a month to reach the expected mark), what does that say about sales moving forwards since according to NPD charting, Andromeda sank out of the top 20 games for June after coming in 15th for May? Again, going by its previous sales pace, according to NPD data, Andromeda has probably stalled out around 4m. That's if we agree to accept NPD data. At this point, someone will bring up digital sales and the argument will continue. My sole point is that a game can sell poorly yet still result in EA being happy with the result because there's no way they didn't know that Andromedas release quality was in the shitter. When we say "fail" in this context, what do we actually mean? Reading these two posts, I'm not sure where the disagreement lies, or if there even is one. I don't think the game failed in relation to its quality - I think EA is genuinely happy with sales what with all the flack the game has received. They knew the shape it was in and probably had lowered expectations which Andromeda surpassed. Having said that, it's a fail based on the resources directed at it and in comparison to sales of ME3. These are the two contexts of fail I envision.
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Post by kino on Jul 7, 2017 20:49:16 GMT
And I always find it satisfying when someone plays the victim when they weren't personally attacked. It's cute. Typically means they know they have no argument to make. So here's the deal. Don't want me to call you out? Then do not ever respond to me unless I am directly quoting and replying to you. Period. If you can't do that then deal with the consequences like an adult. Referencing me indirectly as foolish at every opportunity might as well be an attack. I'll treat you like an adult when you start acting like one and stop attacking my posts. Cheerio. Cool, cool. Then. Deal. With. It. Personally, I'd be just as happy if you didn't respond to me. In the future I'll be sure to strip any comment you make out of the thread.
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Post by kino on Jul 7, 2017 20:51:04 GMT
When we say "fail" in this context, what do we actually mean? Reading these two posts, I'm not sure where the disagreement lies, or if there even is one. Oh, I believe we've known where this particular disagreement lies for a couple of months now....
ComiCon Montreal talk anyone?
You're right. My apologies for derailing the thread.
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Post by warrior on Jul 7, 2017 20:53:34 GMT
Who is right? Who is wrong? I hope we find out tomorrow!!!! and I demand that when we find out the Big Loser posts a pic here with a smashed egg on his face!
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Post by Croatsky on Jul 7, 2017 20:54:36 GMT
Who is right? Who is wrong? I hope we find out tomorrow!!!! and I demand that when we find out the Big Loser posts a pic here with a smashed egg on his face! I'll be really disappointed if we get nothing.
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Post by kino on Jul 7, 2017 21:00:05 GMT
Who is right? Who is wrong? I hope we find out tomorrow!!!! and I demand that when we find out the Big Loser posts a pic here with a smashed egg on his face! Hmm? Oh, hell, I don't care if we get a DLC announcement tomorrow. It'd be great if we do, but I'm not expecting anything. And the RHPS gif? Nice.
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Post by colfoley on Jul 7, 2017 21:02:05 GMT
the problem is bioware is known...at least to me for four things. Companions. Dialogue wheel. Solid story (at least aa far as games are concerned) and solid gameplay (at least for a story based games; see bioshock and telltale) and while i AM curious about anthem the fewer of these elements that i associate with bioware it's has...the harder of a sell.it will be. Have you ever read this story? I am not sure why someone posted the full text on their blog, but anyways, it is "Creative Impulse" by S. Maugham. cadwallen.blogspot.ca/2012/05/creative-impulse-by-somerset-maugham.html
Thing is, BioWARE has a harder time selling companions and dialogue wheel right now. We see more investment in combat/gameplay & graphics. And with Anthem, I think (and I might be wrong) what they are shooting for is to bring the protagonist forward and create a world for him/her. I am from the old BioWARE crowd, and tbh, I am not on board with 10 romances in a game in Inquisition and Andromeda. I am interested in the dialogue wheel evolution and quest resolution evolution I am seeing, and I am wondering if the dramatic measure of chopping off the companion content will bring more variety in each quest and more defined personalities for the PC like in Hawke's case.
Basically, I have seen it in SWTOR when an SP quest turns into a repeat dungeon/raid, and I am curious to see if they can give me protagonists with distinctive personalities as versatile as the Smuggler and a Sith Inquisitor if I RP it consistently.
I would be thrilled to play Andromeda 2 or JE2, but if Anthem is more novel in its approach, and focused on the protagonist and his/her decisions & a limited cast of powerful chars, rather than on the companions, I don't mind it at all. I'd rather they move there, than went in the direction Inquisition was heading in.
That's all well and good, and personally I wish Anthem all the success in the world because I want BioWare to be successful, I hope you are right. And I can recognize if something is creativelve successful while not being personally my cup of tea. But the thing is it still has to be my cup of tea. And sure, I agree that maybe ten romance options for a game isn't exactly a 'good thing' either but neither is butchering most of what makes BioWare...BioWare. And if its not my cup of tea enough I might not buy it, especially if its not my cup of tea and requires a PS Plus account to play. I hope BioWare revolutionizes this type of game and proves creative stories can work in a 'Destiny' type game. I really do. But I may never actually buy it. What I think Anthem is going for though is to basically cut out any of the companion content and turn your 'friends' into companions in a MP environment. Wheras we could very easily get a single player story, but something along the lines of the Witcher where its just you doing a bunch of quests versus ME or DA where its you and a bunch of strong characters doing quests.
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Post by bshep on Jul 7, 2017 21:17:46 GMT
By the way, anyone here will go to the comic con tomorrow?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 7, 2017 21:19:07 GMT
By the way, anyone here will go to the comic con tomorrow? I would love to be there, but I live on another continent, so...I can only hope someone will be able to go there.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 7, 2017 21:20:02 GMT
Have you ever read this story? I am not sure why someone posted the full text on their blog, but anyways, it is "Creative Impulse" by S. Maugham. cadwallen.blogspot.ca/2012/05/creative-impulse-by-somerset-maugham.html
Thing is, BioWARE has a harder time selling companions and dialogue wheel right now. We see more investment in combat/gameplay & graphics. And with Anthem, I think (and I might be wrong) what they are shooting for is to bring the protagonist forward and create a world for him/her. I am from the old BioWARE crowd, and tbh, I am not on board with 10 romances in a game in Inquisition and Andromeda. I am interested in the dialogue wheel evolution and quest resolution evolution I am seeing, and I am wondering if the dramatic measure of chopping off the companion content will bring more variety in each quest and more defined personalities for the PC like in Hawke's case.
Basically, I have seen it in SWTOR when an SP quest turns into a repeat dungeon/raid, and I am curious to see if they can give me protagonists with distinctive personalities as versatile as the Smuggler and a Sith Inquisitor if I RP it consistently.
I would be thrilled to play Andromeda 2 or JE2, but if Anthem is more novel in its approach, and focused on the protagonist and his/her decisions & a limited cast of powerful chars, rather than on the companions, I don't mind it at all. I'd rather they move there, than went in the direction Inquisition was heading in.
That's all well and good, and personally I wish Anthem all the success in the world because I want BioWare to be successful, I hope you are right. And I can recognize if something is creativelve successful while not being personally my cup of tea. But the thing is it still has to be my cup of tea. And sure, I agree that maybe ten romance options for a game isn't exactly a 'good thing' either but neither is butchering most of what makes BioWare...BioWare. And if its not my cup of tea enough I might not buy it, especially if its not my cup of tea and requires a PS Plus account to play. I hope BioWare revolutionizes this type of game and proves creative stories can work in a 'Destiny' type game. I really do. But I may never actually buy it. What I think Anthem is going for though is to basically cut out any of the companion content and turn your 'friends' into companions in a MP environment. Wheras we could very easily get a single player story, but something along the lines of the Witcher where its just you doing a bunch of quests versus ME or DA where its you and a bunch of strong characters doing quests. I am just going to poke myself over being way off topic the way I did poor kino This probably belongs in the "What we expect to see in Anthem". No harm in borrowing someone else's cup for tea if yours is in the dishwasher... I know I did with both MET and SWTOR and results were incredible. We'll see where things go and what does maketh BioWARE into BioWARE.
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Post by sjsharp2010 on Jul 7, 2017 21:26:25 GMT
Have you ever read this story? I am not sure why someone posted the full text on their blog, but anyways, it is "Creative Impulse" by S. Maugham. cadwallen.blogspot.ca/2012/05/creative-impulse-by-somerset-maugham.html
Thing is, BioWARE has a harder time selling companions and dialogue wheel right now. We see more investment in combat/gameplay & graphics. And with Anthem, I think (and I might be wrong) what they are shooting for is to bring the protagonist forward and create a world for him/her. I am from the old BioWARE crowd, and tbh, I am not on board with 10 romances in a game in Inquisition and Andromeda. I am interested in the dialogue wheel evolution and quest resolution evolution I am seeing, and I am wondering if the dramatic measure of chopping off the companion content will bring more variety in each quest and more defined personalities for the PC like in Hawke's case.
Basically, I have seen it in SWTOR when an SP quest turns into a repeat dungeon/raid, and I am curious to see if they can give me protagonists with distinctive personalities as versatile as the Smuggler and a Sith Inquisitor if I RP it consistently.
I would be thrilled to play Andromeda 2 or JE2, but if Anthem is more novel in its approach, and focused on the protagonist and his/her decisions & a limited cast of powerful chars, rather than on the companions, I don't mind it at all. I'd rather they move there, than went in the direction Inquisition was heading in.
That's all well and good, and personally I wish Anthem all the success in the world because I want BioWare to be successful, I hope you are right. And I can recognize if something is creativelve successful while not being personally my cup of tea. But the thing is it still has to be my cup of tea. And sure, I agree that maybe ten romance options for a game isn't exactly a 'good thing' either but neither is butchering most of what makes BioWare...BioWare. And if its not my cup of tea enough I might not buy it, especially if its not my cup of tea and requires a PS Plus account to play. I hope BioWare revolutionizes this type of game and proves creative stories can work in a 'Destiny' type game. I really do. But I may never actually buy it. What I think Anthem is going for though is to basically cut out any of the companion content and turn your 'friends' into companions in a MP environment. Wheras we could very easily get a single player story, but something along the lines of the Witcher where its just you doing a bunch of quests versus ME or DA where its you and a bunch of strong characters doing quests. Yeah and that for me is the main problem with Anthenm and why I think it's likely I'll be staying away from it too.
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Post by sil on Jul 7, 2017 21:38:20 GMT
Montreal Comic Con started few hours ago. No live streams seem to be on for any event, so unlikely we will get any for BioWare's panel. However Q&A panels do get recorded and posted online later, so it will take a while for us to see what will happen. Does anyone know if anyone on the forum will be there?
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Post by Croatsky on Jul 7, 2017 21:39:31 GMT
Montreal Comic Con started few hours ago. No live streams seem to be on for any event, so unlikely we will get any for BioWare's panel. However Q&A panels do get recorded and posted online later, so it will take a while for us to see what will happen. Does anyone know if anyone on the forum will be there? There is one Redditor that claim it will attend it, but that's about it.
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Post by sil on Jul 7, 2017 21:42:52 GMT
Does anyone know if anyone on the forum will be there? There is one Redditor that claim it will attend it, but that's about it. Damn, I'd hoped we'd have more than one, so we would get to make sure that the one person isn't just making it up.
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Post by bshep on Jul 7, 2017 21:44:26 GMT
Damn no one here lives in Montreal?
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Post by Croatsky on Jul 7, 2017 21:44:59 GMT
Damn no one here lives in Montreal? Nope, we sadly lack French Canadians on BSN it seems.
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Post by jaegerbane on Jul 7, 2017 21:46:11 GMT
Who is right? Who is wrong? I hope we find out tomorrow!!!! I've lost track of what the predictions are. I will hereby predict that Michael Gamble will announce he is the great great great great great grandfather of Conrad Verner.
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Post by griffith82 on Jul 7, 2017 21:46:59 GMT
Who is right? Who is wrong? I hope we find out tomorrow!!!! and I demand that when we find out the Big Loser posts a pic here with a smashed egg on his face! I'll be really disappointed if we get nothing. At this point we are all like
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Post by bshep on Jul 7, 2017 21:47:37 GMT
I will be happy if there is at least one hint DLC is coming...
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Post by colfoley on Jul 7, 2017 21:48:30 GMT
Seriously I doubt we will find out much of anything tommorow. Patience is a virtue. All signs point to the beginning of September.
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