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Post by dazk on Mar 22, 2024 22:54:21 GMT
I'm glad you guys finally have hands on this game! The starting weapons are weak, but there's more at work. Hunter Bows are no longer going to be your primary weapon for direct damage They're for picking apart machines and applying elemental effects. You'll get other weapons that good for direct damage. Enemies are also tougher than in Zero Dawn. Smart tactical play is really rewarded in HFW. Tageting weak points with the correct ammunition and removing machines components is the only way to efficiently destroy the machines. This was true in HZD, but is much more important in HFW. You'll also get weapon techniques pretty early. They're part of your skill tree. It took me some time to remember to use them. The gameplay is balanced upon the assumption that you are using them frequently, so I suggest getting used to them early. They use Stamina, which you replenish very quickly and easily. Enjoy! I'll definitely be lurking, reading your reactions. I just finished a playthrough a month or two ago, or I'd jump in and play along with everyone. I think I already unlocked one of those Valour Surge things but have never remembered to use it. Also upgraded my Hunter bow and Nora armour, was that a mistake? The DLC armour does not suit my play style. Re enemies I have noticed the stalkers or whatever they are called now are far more spread out so I often miss one or two and because my shooting has not been great I end up getting surprise attacked by them from behind. One scared the hell out of me as I was crouched and hiding and it was looking for me and I turned around and it was right at the edge of the grass within touching distance of me.
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Post by dazk on Mar 22, 2024 22:55:35 GMT
Element Zero got any build tips in terms of skills, what to prioritise etc. especially for stealth and bow?
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Post by dazk on Mar 23, 2024 6:16:00 GMT
So finally made it through to the FW after completing all the side quests but not 100% exploring everything. I was a complete scrub in the battle outside the gates but fortunately I was near a pole and kept double tapping spacebar to roll which of course is the wrong button. However, I kept getting launched up onto the pole which was good for shooting the boss guy in the head. Looking forward to doing some exploring, probably Tall Neck first then the bandit camp. Pic's Got this guy out of Jail Helped this "Honest Merchant" shitty amount you get for the lenses. Really like this shot of Aloy Being seeing her soon I am guessing And so it begins
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Post by Element Zero on Mar 23, 2024 16:04:21 GMT
Element Zero got any build tips in terms of skills, what to prioritise etc. especially for stealth and bow? Upgrading the green gear was fine. Those materials are super abundant. Once you're toting purple gear, you'll need to make decisions. I'd only upgrade most purple gear if it's important to your playstyle. With few exceptions, Legendaries are simply better, and require similar materials. I may not be able to name the skills precisely, since I generally just know them by effects, and this will be off the top of my head. Also, this game will force you to diversify your approach more than Zero Dawn. There are some machines that will be very difficult to defeat with bows alone. The Stealth Valor Surge near the top of the tree allows you to turn invisible like a Stalker. I use it situationally. It boosts damage, particularly melee damage. The Hunter Bow skills are sort of obvious, I think. They're no longer a great option for impact damage. You do best to use them to remove parts, which cripples and damages the machines and gets you the loot you'll want. When installing coils, I'd favor Tear, Elemental (cold especially), and Draw Speed. Sharpshot Bows are still one of the heavy damage weapons. When you can use them from long range, or to open a fight from hiding, you can do a ton of damage by attacking a weak point in combination with a Valor Surge and/or Weapon Technique. For example, in hiding you activate the Ranged Master Valor Surge (IIRC) to boost your ranged damage. Then, you use Precise Shot (IIRC) to fire an extra damaging shot from your Sharpshot Bow. Hit a weak point, and you'll open the fight with a major chunk of damage. Don't sleep on the Warrior Bow. It is amazing for putting out quick damage with inexpensive arrows. Using techniques to fire multiple arrows can make the damage very, very good. Against humans, who are generally armored and very aggressive, the Warrior Bow is the best ranged weapon by far. In HFW, machines' armor feels more effective. Armor reduces damage by 80%, IIRC. For Apex machines, it reduces damage by 95%. The most important piece of advice I can give is not to attack armor, other than to expose a weak point, like the Thunderjaw brain. Always attack weak points and components. (The one exception being when you're trying to limit damage, such as when freezing a tied down machine.) I can probably give more specific answers to more specific questions, be they about specific machines, weapons, techniques, etc... saandrig, I know what you're experiencing with highlighting components. The Slitherfang is one of the machines particularly prone to that visual effect. It's a combination of the highlighted component being inside the machine, and the fact that the Slitherfang is fast and squirmy. In time, I simply no longer had a problem identifying the individual tagged components. I think it mostly comes from getting to know the machines, and maybe somewhat from getting used to the visual effect.
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Post by Energizer Bunny 211 on Mar 23, 2024 20:49:38 GMT
I've played about 6 hours so far and have run into so considerable lag and syncing issues in cutscenes while playing at the Settings I'm playing at so I decided to dial everything back to Medium Settings, while maintaining the 4K resolution and that seems to have helped.
I guess this goes so show that my system has aged considerably since I built it three years ago; though Forbidden West is quite a step up from Zero Dawn so I'm not surprised. But it still playable enough that I am quite enjoying it. And even if these are the same requirements for Ghost of Tsushima, I would not hesitate to purchase that as well in May.
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Post by acehilator on Mar 23, 2024 23:18:16 GMT
Very minor spoilers for other people just starting out, so using tags just for extra safety.
Continuing on my travels, found the next city: And found an old friend, hello beautiful (and yes, I build my armor out of your parts):
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Post by sjsharp2010 on Mar 23, 2024 23:48:36 GMT
Something I jus tfound out which I'll pu tin spoilers The Eclips eare bac kwhich I kind o ffind hard t obelieve given ho wmuc hw eturne dthe mto shreds in Zero Dawn. I would hav ethought after Helis's and Bahavas's deaths a ttheen do fZero Dawn anyon else would have disbanded .Still need t okeep m yeye on them don't want them causing any mor etrouble if I can help it.
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Post by dazk on Mar 24, 2024 2:06:50 GMT
Wandered off the path and stumbled upon a bandit camp and was happy how I handled it via stealth till it made me do the leader via melee but even that went OK. I hate when they have a damn shield though. Used the Sharpshot bow to clear the camp including using some power shot thing which was great for taking out the rider and the mount. Changed to the Shredder Gauntlet for the boss, which worked pretty well and I really like but it was ridiculous the Rebel Leaders last 1% of shield took forever to take down. Picked up another bow but I think it is just very like the Sharpshot bow. I am regretting not buying the Fire Bow I saw. Turns out said camp led to evidence against Ulvund which Aloy took back to Chain Scrape and Ulvund got kicked out and Petra put in charge.
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Post by sjsharp2010 on Mar 24, 2024 3:09:37 GMT
Wandered off the path and stumbled upon a bandit camp and was happy how I handled it via stealth till it made me do the leader via melee but even that went OK. I hate when they have a damn shield though. Used the Sharpshot bow to clear the camp including using some power shot thing which was great for taking out the rider and the mount. Changed to the Shredder Gauntlet for the boss, which worked pretty well and I really like but it was ridiculous the Rebel Leaders last 1% of shield took forever to take down. Picked up another bow but I think it is just very like the Sharpshot bow. I am regretting not buying the Fire Bow I saw. Turns out said camp led to evidence against Ulvund which Aloy took back to Chain Scrape and Ulvund got kicked out and Petra put in charge. Yeah I justtook out a bandi tcamp near the border thos eguy's with shields aer tricky. which is going to likely force me to go hand t ohand on occasion it looks like. I will admi tthough seeing Regalla's group riding machines mad em ewonder has Sylens mad ethe asme mistake again like he did wit hthe Eclipse. Dealing with people who can't be trusted
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Post by sjsharp2010 on Mar 24, 2024 13:07:44 GMT
Well I'll try an ddo th efirs t Tallneck toda an look and see wha tSylens foun dthat was so interesting. It' s either got to b eSylens o rwhat remains of the Eclips etha thelped Regalla. As other than Aloy they're the only 2 with the knowledge of how to override machines. I can't completely rule out the Eclipse as they'll likely be feeling bad about what happened at Meridian when we decimated them. Must admit though the eembassy fight kind of reminded me of the proving massacre at the start of Zero Dawn. I must say when I hit their camp an dstarted taking them out stealth like them saying "She's back" then there' sAloy smiling inwardly to herself thinking "yes I am and don' t forget it" "Stay away from Meridian otherwise you might find one of my arrows right between your eyes".
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Post by Element Zero on Mar 24, 2024 13:30:55 GMT
dazk, Fire isn't as good as it used to be. I'm sure you'll find a better bow, soon. The most useful elements, generally speaking, are Frost (by a long way), Shock, and sometimes Acid. As you move further into the early game, you'll start finding good elemental bows, whether as rewards or in shops. Shock damage drops those shields quickly, as does a rapid barrage from a Warrior Bow. I feel like I gotta add this non-spoiler advice, since everyone is reaching the Forbidden West. You guys will obtain a blue level Spike Thrower from a side quest somewhat early in the game, depending upon your path. It's called Spinthorn. It has drill spikes, which are incredible at knockdown. You won't get a better drill spike option until a legendary in Burning Shores. With it being blue, it's easy to make the mistake of selling it. A drill spike or two to the leg or wing can drop even the largest machines. It's one of my favorite tactics.
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Post by Energizer Bunny 211 on Mar 24, 2024 19:23:30 GMT
That first boss fight is near impossible! I was ready to rage-quit!
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Post by dazk on Mar 24, 2024 23:31:20 GMT
That first boss fight is near impossible! I was ready to rage-quit! I just ran around like an idiot and kept using the Rope Caster to get shot onto a pole, that worked even if it was humiliating, thank god no one was watching. I am finding a lot of the combat frustrating, two fights I have had now have been staged at night and it was actually near on impossible to see the enemy (sorry friendly peoples I shot at) until I accidentally turned my focus on and it highlighted them yellow. The other issue I have is just how I have to keep trying several weapons to find one that does any damage then go to fight another but different enemy and that weapon does nothing against the new one. I get why they may have one down that route but one type of enemy per fight would be good and don't throw Aloy onto a fight without a scouting opportunity.
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Post by dazk on Mar 24, 2024 23:33:54 GMT
dazk , Fire isn't as good as it used to be. I'm sure you'll find a better bow, soon. The most useful elements, generally speaking, are Frost (by a long way), Shock, and sometimes Acid. As you move further into the early game, you'll start finding good elemental bows, whether as rewards or in shops. Shock damage drops those shields quickly, as does a rapid barrage from a Warrior Bow. I feel like I gotta add this non-spoiler advice, since everyone is reaching the Forbidden West. You guys will obtain a blue level Spike Thrower from a side quest somewhat early in the game, depending upon your path. It's called Spinthorn. It has drill spikes, which are incredible at knockdown. You won't get a better drill spike option until a legendary in Burning Shores. With it being blue, it's easy to make the mistake of selling it. A drill spike or two to the leg or wing can drop even the largest machines. It's one of my favorite tactics. I bought a Spike thrower at Chain Scrape I think, a blue one. I had trouble aiming it for some reason and was not very effective, but I have not had time to try it out with a bit of experimentation. Just once in a panic in a fight.
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Post by dazk on Mar 25, 2024 0:36:06 GMT
So I got a good 5 hours in yesterday I think thanks to starting a quest at about 4-30pm that took me to after 5-30pm due to a bit of stupidity by me and the game being frustrating. So tip is if you go North to Riverhymn don't try and finish it if you are planning on stopping soon and if like me you don't trust auto saves. So part of the problem was my fault in that there was a water, tunnels fairly simple maze to get through but I kept going round in circles because the obvious route across did not give me a prompt to use a tool. If only I hadn't been too scared of accidentally falling off the edge of everything because something I do makes Aloy want to roll off cliffs!!! Anyway, after probably 30 minutes I decided there really was only one way even if the jump looked too far, so I moved as close the edge as possible and Aloy said something like: It's pretty far but maybe if I jump, I can use my rope caster and suddenly there was where I could not see it a Rope Caster attachment thing on the far edge. But only if I looked at it in just the right way. Anyway got through then thought well, no one is being cooked dinner tonight decided to push through and finish the whole quest. That was my next mistake, I was too impatient to stealth the Wide Maws and I think maybe this quest was maybe too high a level, not sure but the damn things were tough as. Anyway, after trying to fight them eventually ran and managed to hide till they calmed down. Did what I needed to do then to try out different weapons on them killed one eventually. Earlier in the day wandered doing some stuff including a quest to find the components to make a "Boom Stick" for a couple of Sisters and to get the prototype. That's enough for this post. Pic's Aloy making friends and influencing people - minor spoilers Riverhymn - not really a spoiler just someone you'll meet Scenery
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Post by Energizer Bunny 211 on Mar 25, 2024 0:44:53 GMT
That first boss fight is near impossible! I was ready to rage-quit! I just ran around like an idiot and kept using the Rope Caster to get shot onto a pole, that worked even if it was humiliating, thank god no one was watching. I am finding a lot of the combat frustrating, two fights I have had now have been staged at night and it was actually near on impossible to see the enemy (sorry friendly peoples I shot at) until I accidentally turned my focus on and it highlighted them yellow. The other issue I have is just how I have to keep trying several weapons to find one that does any damage then go to fight another but different enemy and that weapon does nothing against the new one. I get why they may have one down that route but one type of enemy per fight would be good and don't throw Aloy onto a fight without a scouting opportunity. Yes, I am finding that while using a Controller...sometimes I want the Bow and I get the shock-thingy. Sometimes I want the grappling hook, and I still get the shock-thingy.....Other times I want to carry nothing....and yet I'm still forced to carry a weapon in my hands (usually the shock-thingy). Instructions say "hold L Trigger and push Y to use grappling hook" so I do that, and in mid-jump, I get... (you guessed it) the shocker-thingy. Damn it! I'm also noticing there's a TON of "Push Y to gather....." Why even have other buttons (X, B, A)? You barely ever use them.
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Post by sjsharp2010 on Mar 25, 2024 2:27:00 GMT
I'm glad you guys finally have hands on this game! The starting weapons are weak, but there's more at work. Hunter Bows are no longer going to be your primary weapon for direct damage They're for picking apart machines and applying elemental effects. You'll get other weapons that good for direct damage. Enemies are also tougher than in Zero Dawn. Smart tactical play is really rewarded in HFW. Tageting weak points with the correct ammunition and removing machines components is the only way to efficiently destroy the machines. This was true in HZD, but is much more important in HFW. You'll also get weapon techniques pretty early. They're part of your skill tree. It took me some time to remember to use them. The gameplay is balanced upon the assumption that you are using them frequently, so I suggest getting used to them early. They use Stamina, which you replenish very quickly and easily. Enjoy! I'll definitely be lurking, reading your reactions. I just finished a playthrough a month or two ago, or I'd jump in and play along with everyone. I think I already unlocked one of those Valour Surge things but have never remembered to use it. Also upgraded my Hunter bow and Nora armour, was that a mistake? The DLC armour does not suit my play style. Re enemies I have noticed the stalkers or whatever they are called now are far more spread out so I often miss one or two and because my shooting has not been great I end up getting surprise attacked by them from behind. One scared the hell out of me as I was crouched and hiding and it was looking for me and I turned around and it was right at the edge of the grass within touching distance of me. Yea hI thin kI'v eonl yused my Valo rsurge onceas I'm still kin do fused t okillin genemies the HZD way. Jus tdon ethe Deaths door main story quest that was a challenging one. Especiall ythos eswimin gsectoins at the end it' sa wonde rAlo ygot ou tof there bu tshe alway sseems t ofind a way t osurvive a lot like another famous Tomb Raider we all know.
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Post by Kappa Neko on Mar 25, 2024 8:48:43 GMT
Amusing and painful to read you guys struggling with the more complicated combat. I'm not sure I ever REALLY got the hang of it. I still prefer HZD's simple combat. I never got over my disappointment with how useless tripwires are now. The combat is technically improved but I kept sucking at it for the longest time. So you aren't alone. Definitely takes some getting used to.
Very curious what you guys will say about certain story elements...
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Post by saandrig on Mar 25, 2024 9:01:41 GMT
I didn't have much time to play in the past few days due to family gatherings and stuff.
But still stole a few hours to explore the starting areas. I like the side quests this time. But am not a fan of gating stuff behind "not having proper tool yet".
And by the Maker, so many weapons to choose from I guess I'll stick to maybe 3 or 4. Frost bombs, sharpshooter bow, Hunter bow and one TBD.
One technical thing is driving me crazy, but I think I may have figured it out. DLAA is supposed to look better than DLSS (even if it's DLSS Quality), but all my switching back and forth kept making DLSS Quality seem better. I thought maybe it's a placebo, but some details are just obvious. Then I switched back and forth with DLDSR and may have finally solved the mystery...
The bastards from Nixxes are using higher quality textures for DLSS than they use for DLAA. Also they use a sharpening filter for DLSS that is missing with DLAA. Essentially they are turning DLSS into a poor man's DLDSR. Which is kinda brilliant and explains why DLDSR isn't as good as it was in HZD.
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Post by dazk on Mar 25, 2024 9:15:15 GMT
So HZD FW almost broke me today, I did a lot of stuffing around upgrading things then doing the stupid Salvage Missions, I was glad Aloy spat the dummy and told Larend or whatever his name is to get on with it re making some armour. But I didn't armour I got a weapon that was worse than the one I already had. I am sick of going to places and not being able to access them because they are gated. The combat I have been honestly trying to use the Valor stuff, but I often just do not have the time, opportunity or skill to actually use them. Did my first Cauldron, hated them in the first game and hated this one even more. I died several times because something I am doing (or not) makes Aloy jumps off places I have not told her to jump or roll and other times when I want her to jump nothing. In said Cauldron I lost audio for Aloy talking, so no prompts about what to do. Had to resort to a video, finally got through the thing after referencing the video about three times. Some were obvious and my fault, but no prompts made it harder. Then as I finished it (after one shotting the machine enemy?) the game had a bad conniption, just a black screen and nothing I could do. Reloaded and thank god there was an auto save and then no map just a black screen. Reloaded and all worked fine. I am honestly just not feeling it with this game, it may be that I am having some health issues ATM but it also feels like I am just playing the original game but some mad scientist has changed all the controls. I keep hitting the buttons I would have in the original even though I have now played for 22.4 hours. Anyway as you can probably tell I am bit frustrated, I am normally a guy who likes to explore in games like this but every time I head off, I get distracted by hunting animals, coming across bandits and having to rescue leaf people, picking herbs, upgrading gear, finding a site that is gated, picking up some useless quest or over analysing Skills and then not understanding or executing them anyway. Lets see how I go tomorrow pushing through the story tomorrow I am already 3 or 4 levels over the recommended level. This sums today up: Happier shots
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Post by dazk on Mar 25, 2024 9:20:45 GMT
I didn't have much time to play in the past few days due to family gatherings and stuff.
But still stole a few hours to explore the starting areas. I like the side quests this time. But am not a fan of gating stuff behind "not having proper tool yet".
And by the Maker, so many weapons to choose from I guess I'll stick to maybe 3 or 4. Frost bombs, sharpshooter bow, Hunter bow and one TBD.
One technical thing is driving me crazy, but I think I may have figured it out. DLAA is supposed to look better than DLSS (even if it's DLSS Quality), but all my switching back and forth kept making DLSS Quality seem better. I thought maybe it's a placebo, but some details are just obvious. Then I switched back and forth with DLDSR and may have finally solved the mystery...
The bastards from Nixxes are using higher quality textures for DLSS than they use for DLAA. Also they use a sharpening filter for DLSS that is missing with DLAA. Essentially they are turning DLSS into a poor man's DLDSR. Which is kinda brilliant and explains why DLDSR isn't as good as it was in HZD.
Sorry for being obtuse are you recommending changing to DLAA, DLDSR, sorry a bit confused. Have to check my settings.
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Post by saandrig on Mar 25, 2024 9:34:19 GMT
Sorry for being obtuse are you recommending changing to DLAA, DLDSR, sorry a bit confused. Have to check my settings. I am honestly confused as well. No joke.
I am yet to progress further in the game and find different areas where I can make further comparisons.
But for now I do not recommend DLAA.
I am on the fence even for DLDSR. It may have just a bit of an image edge over Native+DLSS Quality, but I doubt anyone can notice it without some dedicated pixel peeping and a magnifying glass.
I need to play more and use the different settings to see if I can feel the difference after hours on one setting and switching to another.
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Post by sjsharp2010 on Mar 25, 2024 15:57:33 GMT
Hasanyone tried doing the No Man's Land relic ruins as I think that's bugged.
Edit solved i tin theend it seemstha ti tdoesn' tmattre whether powere cellis in Aloys hands o rthe crate if she lands in the water it overloads. I managed to ge tpast i though by jumpin to the otherside then using th epullcaster t obring it over t ome fo rplugging in.
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Post by themikefest on Mar 25, 2024 16:16:59 GMT
I am honestly just not feeling it with this game, it may be that I am having some health issues ATM but it also feels like I am just playing the original game but some mad scientist has changed all the controls. I keep hitting the buttons I would have in the original even though I have now played for 22.4 hours. I felt the same when I played the game. I tried a 2nd playthrough, but only got about 1/3 of the way before stopping. That was shortly after the dlc was released. One thing that got me to lose a bit of interest was when seeing holo-Sylens the first time in the game. And then later when facing........... The last few day's has me tempted to play Dawn. I'm not sure if I'll get West for my computer even when the price drops.
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Post by sjsharp2010 on Mar 25, 2024 18:15:51 GMT
I am honestly just not feeling it with this game, it may be that I am having some health issues ATM but it also feels like I am just playing the original game but some mad scientist has changed all the controls. I keep hitting the buttons I would have in the original even though I have now played for 22.4 hours. I felt the same when I played the game. I tried a 2nd playthrough, but only got about 1/3 of the way before stopping. That was shortly after the dlc was released. One thing that got me to lose a bit of interest was when seeing holo-Sylens the first time in the game. And then later when facing........... The last few day's has me tempted to play Dawn. I'm not sure if I'll get West for my computer even when the price drops. Yeah I don' t think Forbidden West is a sgood as Zero Dawn but it stil is having it's moments for me.
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