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Post by Noxluxe on Jul 19, 2020 17:57:18 GMT
Just stumbled on the Forbidden West trailer and am kinda... meh?
It doesn't show anything particularly wowy except for the underwater exploration thing - which I love in any game ever - and Aloy's monologue is either a rehash of the Zero Dawn intro "great cities turned to graves... new life" or pretty meaningless and even downright nonsensical.
Like, what's that "if I falter, there won't be anyone to stop what's coming" all about? What exactly is preventing Aloy from sharing her knowledge and recruiting others to her cause? Moreover, the camera pans directly to Sylens visibly doing EXACTLY THAT in preparation for... what's coming? At least, I hope so. It'd be a major disappointment for him to turn into an extremist or villain for Aloy to fight for no reason. I want him to be fixing the world alongside her.
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Post by skekSil on Jul 19, 2020 22:11:18 GMT
What exactly is preventing Aloy from sharing her knowledge and recruiting others to her cause? Erm, she is, like, literally special.
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Post by Noxluxe on Jul 19, 2020 23:41:11 GMT
Erm, she is, like, literally special. She's, like, very athletic and has a high IQ, yes, but she's also a woman and essentially uneducated, meaning she isn't getting as much bang for her buck on either of those counts as someone else could. Helis was way more physically powerful, and Sylens is smarter or at least more knowledgeable. Neither of them is the clone of a long-dead modern scientist with supergenius-level intellect, meaning there are going to be more people both stronger and smarter than her out there. The only truly "special" thing about her is Elizabeth Sobek's DNA, and even if there was no way to transfer or copy that authorization - which would be pretty silly - that doesn't mean she should be going around committing to dangerous missions knowing the planet's survival is on the line literally without anyone else to pick up the flag if she fails. Sylens was that person in the first game. If Aloy had died, you knew there was still hope that he might be able to finagle another solution with whatever resources she left him. Without him as backup keeping track of her progress, it'd be criminally irresponsible for her not to find another partner. Find someone smart and strong and trustworthy, tell them everything, show them how to use the Focus, and have them parade her corpse before whatever doors need opening if she dies. Bang, you've almost doubled the Earth's chances. Two people, and you've tripled them. Twenty people, and you've increased them by 2000%, obviously very roughly speaking. And that's not even counting the support those people might be able to round up in turn. Maybe this seems like a weird thing to get hung up on, but admittedly badass teenage heroes and heroines betting everyone's collective existence while totally failing to call on the support they obviously could is and always has been dumb as fuck.
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Post by KaiserShep on Jul 20, 2020 13:55:21 GMT
Erm, she is, like, literally special. She's, like, very athletic and has a high IQ, yes, but she's also a woman and essentially uneducated, meaning she isn't getting as much bang for her buck on either of those counts as someone else could. Helis was way more physically powerful, and Sylens is smarter or at least more knowledgeable. Neither of them is the clone of a long-dead modern scientist with supergenius-level intellect, meaning there are going to be more people both stronger and smarter than her out there. The only truly "special" thing about her is Elizabeth Sobek's DNA, and even if there was no way to transfer or copy that authorization - which would be pretty silly - that doesn't mean she should be going around committing to dangerous missions knowing the planet's survival is on the line literally without anyone else to pick up the flag if she fails. Sylens was that person in the first game. If Aloy had died, you knew there was still hope that he might be able to finagle another solution with whatever resources she left him. Without him as backup keeping track of her progress, it'd be criminally irresponsible for her not to find another partner. Find someone smart and strong and trustworthy, tell them everything, show them how to use the Focus, and have them parade her corpse before whatever doors need opening if she dies. Bang, you've almost doubled the Earth's chances. Two people, and you've tripled them. Twenty people, and you've increased them by 2000%, obviously very roughly speaking. And that's not even counting the support those people might be able to round up in turn. Maybe this seems like a weird thing to get hung up on, but admittedly badass teenage heroes and heroines betting everyone's collective existence while totally failing to call on the support they obviously could is and always has been dumb as fuck. Too bad Helis was a dumbass religious extremist. Could’ve been useful as a brute to throw at people. As for Selena, who the heck knows what that guy is about. I suspect he’s more of the chaotic neutral type, and we’d be fighting another sort of cultist group, but not him directly. After what we learn about him, he obviously has an interest in the world not ending and knows better than to trust any machine entity. As for transferring or copying authorization, that probably would have been something Gaya could handle, but obviously that’s not in the cards since she’s dead. As for using Aloy’s body to open doors, typically, biometrics no longer work if you’re dead. Like, you couldn’t put a dead person’s thumb on their iPhone to unlock it. In any case, the game will probably have its share of ally characters like the previous game did. But since it probably won’t have a companion system, it won’t bother with that whole contingency plan deal with extra bodies.
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Post by Noxluxe on Jul 20, 2020 19:08:25 GMT
Too bad Helis was a dumbass religious extremist. Could’ve been useful as a brute to throw at people. As for Selena, who the heck knows what that guy is about. I suspect he’s more of the chaotic neutral type, and we’d be fighting another sort of cultist group, but not him directly. After what we learn about him, he obviously has an interest in the world not ending and knows better than to trust any machine entity. As for transferring or copying authorization, that probably would have been something Gaya could handle, but obviously that’s not in the cards since she’s dead. As for using Aloy’s body to open doors, typically, biometrics no longer work if you’re dead. Like, you couldn’t put a dead person’s thumb on their iPhone to unlock it. In any case, the game will probably have its share of ally characters like the previous game did. But since it probably won’t have a companion system, it won’t bother with that whole contingency plan deal with extra bodies. You couldn't put a dead person's thumb on an Iphone after a while because the natural electrical current running through your body ceases so the sensors don't register it. Not to be even more morbid after suggesting the parading of corpses before doors, but theoretically that's a relatively easy problem to solve. Just put a low charge on the damn thing. And if the access sensors on Zero Dawn facilities don't detect that "Doctor Sobek" has a vastly different body structure and chemical makeup than she used to then I don't think it would be very hard to fool if you at least have the dead Aloy lying around. You can bet your ass that Sylens would have started experimenting right away if she'd taken a hard fall or a bullet. Really though, what irks me is that sharing that authorization - by ANY MEANS NECESSARY - is pretty high on the list of priorities for anyone who wants the new Earth to succeed. Aloy still only has the normal human lifespan, bugs in the Zero Dawn project aren't going to stop happening all over the world, and realistically her lifestyle is already going to mean an early death. For her to go "I'm the only one who can fix things, nobody else possibly could, so I'll try not to die now' under those circumstances is insanely irresponsible and selfish and stupid, which generally aren't things Aloy is supposed to be. For Guerilla to start off the hype for the new game with such a generic and unimaginative monologue doesn't bode well for the writing in my ears.
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Post by Kappa Neko on Jul 20, 2020 20:07:38 GMT
I still have my money on this game being better written than the next BioWare game. *g*
HZD was a super emotional narrative for me. Was it the most original story? Eh, not really. I'll take a satisfying narrative over plot issues any day. That's something BioWare knows all about, lol. The most original or cleverly written their games are not but oh the feels!
So, all I want from Forbidden West is to make me cry like the first game...
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Post by KaiserShep on Jul 20, 2020 21:42:11 GMT
Too bad Helis was a dumbass religious extremist. Could’ve been useful as a brute to throw at people. As for Selena, who the heck knows what that guy is about. I suspect he’s more of the chaotic neutral type, and we’d be fighting another sort of cultist group, but not him directly. After what we learn about him, he obviously has an interest in the world not ending and knows better than to trust any machine entity. As for transferring or copying authorization, that probably would have been something Gaya could handle, but obviously that’s not in the cards since she’s dead. As for using Aloy’s body to open doors, typically, biometrics no longer work if you’re dead. Like, you couldn’t put a dead person’s thumb on their iPhone to unlock it. In any case, the game will probably have its share of ally characters like the previous game did. But since it probably won’t have a companion system, it won’t bother with that whole contingency plan deal with extra bodies. You couldn't put a dead person's thumb on an Iphone after a while because the natural electrical current running through your body ceases so the sensors don't register it. Not to be even more morbid after suggesting the parading of corpses before doors, but theoretically that's a relatively easy problem to solve. Just put a low charge on the damn thing. And if the access sensors on Zero Dawn facilities don't detect that "Doctor Sobek" has a vastly different body structure and chemical makeup than she used to then I don't think it would be very hard to fool if you at least have the dead Aloy lying around. You can bet your ass that Sylens would have started experimenting right away if she'd taken a hard fall or a bullet. Really though, what irks me is that sharing that authorization - by ANY MEANS NECESSARY - is pretty high on the list of priorities for anyone who wants the new Earth to succeed. Aloy still only has the normal human lifespan, bugs in the Zero Dawn project aren't going to stop happening all over the world, and realistically her lifestyle is already going to mean an early death. For her to go "I'm the only one who can fix things, nobody else possibly could, so I'll try not to die now' under those circumstances is insanely irresponsible and selfish and stupid, which generally aren't things Aloy is supposed to be. For Guerilla to start off the hype for the new game with such a generic and unimaginative monologue doesn't bode well for the writing in my ears. Well, technically anything is theoretically easy to accomplish with make-believe technology in a fictional universe, so long as the writer has a way to insert it into the narrative. Seems to me that the only real issue here is a character in the story just realizing that transferral of authority may be a thing that’s possible, which either Aloy or Sylens could come up with. But the ability actually existing is something else entirely. With Gaya destroyed and there being no central command system for the Zero Dawn facilities, that’s enough of a reason for it to be written that it’s no longer possible. If the idea is that it’s too great a risk to have so much hinge on any one person, well, that’s hero’s journeys for you.
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Post by Noxluxe on Jul 20, 2020 23:12:37 GMT
Well, technically anything is theoretically easy to accomplish with make-believe technology in a fictional universe, so long as the writer has a way to insert it into the narrative. Seems to me that the only real issue here is a character in the story just realizing that transferral of authority may be a thing that’s possible, which either Aloy or Sylens could come up with. But the ability actually existing is something else entirely. With Gaya destroyed and there being no central command system for the Zero Dawn facilities, that’s enough of a reason for it to be written that it’s no longer possible. If the idea is that it’s too great a risk to have so much hinge on any one person, well, that’s hero’s journeys for you. Uhm, running a current through a cutoff thumb isn't 'make-believe technology', nor is propping up a dead body, pumping it full of warmed-up plasma and setting a charge to it to fool a full-body biometric scanner. Those are just obvious off-the-top of your head solutions using completely basic means and methods that any group of individuals could accomplish fairly easily, and my point is that within the confines of the story so far the informed characters should absolutely realize how crucial it is to find some way to reliably access what Zero Dawn controls are left, or they and their descendants are all toast. Aloy knows this. Sylens knows this. It makes no sense whatsoever for her to go around thinking that she's the Messiah upon whom the whole world hinges, because she's more than smart enough to realize that continually bugfixing the entire planet is way, way beyond her no matter how strong or smart or good she is. Expanding the pool of knowledge and talent devoted to the same cause is the perfectly self-evident answer to that problem, not going Lone Ranger and dying while setting up local temporary fixes. The premise that she's now touring the post-apocalyptic world personally working on issues here and there and imagining that she's all that stands between it and destruction is just so.... small-minded... after the scope and complexity of the original game's story. She should be training people to do what she's been doing and figure out ways to improve on it, and slowly and carefully introducing this new humanity to their actual heritage. Look at Elisabet Sobeck's response when she realized the world was in danger. Come up with a realistic long-term strategy, use leverage to strongarm someone rich and powerful into backing it, and then find and recruit all the talent she could get her hands on to outsource the problem to as many different competent people as necessary. None of that "It's all on me." bullshit. Aloy's mindset in this trailer is a disgrace in comparison. A hero's journey where the hero doesn't feel the need to rely on others and use all the resources at their disposal is a pretty shoddily written one.
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Post by KaiserShep on Jul 20, 2020 23:58:58 GMT
Well, technically anything is theoretically easy to accomplish with make-believe technology in a fictional universe, so long as the writer has a way to insert it into the narrative. Seems to me that the only real issue here is a character in the story just realizing that transferral of authority may be a thing that’s possible, which either Aloy or Sylens could come up with. But the ability actually existing is something else entirely. With Gaya destroyed and there being no central command system for the Zero Dawn facilities, that’s enough of a reason for it to be written that it’s no longer possible. If the idea is that it’s too great a risk to have so much hinge on any one person, well, that’s hero’s journeys for you. Uhm, running a current through a cutoff thumb isn't 'make-believe technology', nor is propping up a dead body, pumping it full of warmed-up plasma and setting a charge to it to fool a full-body biometric scanner. Those are just obvious off-the-top of your head solutions using completely basic means and methods that any group of individuals could accomplish fairly easily, and my point is that within the confines of the story so far the informed characters should absolutely realize how crucial it is to find some way to reliably access what Zero Dawn controls are left, or they and their descendants are all toast. Aloy knows this. Sylens knows this. It makes no sense whatsoever for her to go around thinking that she's the Messiah upon whom the whole world hinges, because she's more than smart enough to realize that continually bugfixing the entire planet is way, way beyond her no matter how strong or smart or good she is. Expanding the pool of knowledge and talent devoted to the same cause is the perfectly self-evident answer to that problem, not going Lone Ranger and dying while setting up local temporary fixes. The premise that she's now touring the post-apocalyptic world personally working on issues here and there and imagining that she's all that stands between it and destruction is just so.... small-minded... after the scope and complexity of the original game's story. She should be training people to do what she's been doing and figure out ways to improve on it, and slowly and carefully introducing this new humanity to their actual heritage. Look at Elisabet Sobeck's response when she realized the world was in danger. Come up with a realistic long-term strategy, use leverage to strongarm someone rich and powerful into backing it, and then find and recruit all the talent she could get her hands on to outsource the problem to as many different competent people as necessary. None of that "It's all on me." bullshit. Aloy's mindset in this trailer is a disgrace in comparison. A hero's journey where the hero doesn't feel the need to rely on others and use all the resources at their disposal is a pretty shoddily written one. The make-believe technology is the Zero Dawn system itself, not the existence of biometrics. The lasers/sensors that the door uses to detect Aloy and present some sort of holographic display of her identity and DNA scan data is also make-believe tech. The people in that world wouldn’t know the exact inner workings of biometrics. They’d just know that the laser can detect you and reject or accept you and open. They wouldn’t know that running current through a corpse would have an effect.
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Post by Noxluxe on Jul 21, 2020 3:57:06 GMT
The make-believe technology is the Zero Dawn system itself, not the existence of biometrics. The lasers/sensors that the door uses to detect Aloy and present some sort of holographic display of her identity and DNA scan data is also make-believe tech. The people in that world wouldn’t know the exact inner workings of biometrics. They’d just know that the laser can detect you and reject or accept you and open. They wouldn’t know that running current through a corpse would have an effect. Aloy programs her spear to hack dinosaur robots in one minute, don't pretend that technology is just unknowable magic to her or anyone else who makes a habit of actually fiddling with it. There's no way in hell that Sylens hasn't already realized how the scanners work, and from there it's just a matter of experimentation. It's, you know, kind of important, so might be worth getting a few folks together and spending some time on figuring it out. Which is rather my point.
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Post by KaiserShep on Jul 29, 2020 6:10:29 GMT
The make-believe technology is the Zero Dawn system itself, not the existence of biometrics. The lasers/sensors that the door uses to detect Aloy and present some sort of holographic display of her identity and DNA scan data is also make-believe tech. The people in that world wouldn’t know the exact inner workings of biometrics. They’d just know that the laser can detect you and reject or accept you and open. They wouldn’t know that running current through a corpse would have an effect. Aloy programs her spear to hack dinosaur robots in one minute, don't pretend that technology is just unknowable magic to her or anyone else who makes a habit of actually fiddling with it. There's no way in hell that Sylens hasn't already realized how the scanners work, and from there it's just a matter of experimentation. It's, you know, kind of important, so might be worth getting a few folks together and spending some time on figuring it out. Which is rather my point. I guess it's kind of a moot point though, since the system is seemingly impenetrable without authorization, and transferal may just be impossible anyway. Anyway, without a companion system, it doesn't really matter. Getting these folks together doesn't mean anything if these folks aren't followers. The game would probably not be served all that well to have companions. It would only fuck up the way it handles stealth and mounts.
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Post by pessimistpanda on Jul 29, 2020 6:45:21 GMT
Lol, lot of assumptions flying around in here for a two-minute trailer.
Aloy's narration is a conceit of the marketing. I wouldn't infer anything concrete about the plot or character from it.
But even if that dialogue comes directly from the game, which is really doubtful, we have no idea what she might see or learn in the course of a 50-60 hour adventure that would prompt her to say it.
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Post by azarhal on Jul 29, 2020 16:36:29 GMT
My PC is above the Recommendiraptor settings. Good, very good.
Actually, aren't those kinda low? Even for a 3 years old game.
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Post by sjsharp2010 on Jul 29, 2020 18:14:46 GMT
My PC is above the Recommendiraptor settings. Good, very good. Actually, aren't those kinda low? Even for a 3 years old game. As aer mine m nw ebaby should handle it just fine. As for them being low no tnecessarily as it was built originally with consoles in mind given it was a PS4 game until now. Plus it did come out at the asm etim eas MEA more or less and MEA worked jus tfin efor the most part even on my old system. Only issue I had with MEA wasa bit of slow down occasionally when in busy hub areas like the Nexus or Aya. Thankfully in my first run on my new PC I didn't suffer any though. But I suspect HZD coul dhav run fine on my ol system if it hadn' t been falling apart. I'm lookin forward to playing the game anyway what with my nwe graphics card an dseein ghow the ray tracing and everything affects it. Here's a befoer you buy vid that flashed up on my youtube feed a couple of days ago.
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Post by saandrig on Jul 30, 2020 5:16:27 GMT
My PC is above the Recommendiraptor settings. Good, very good. Actually, aren't those kinda low? Even for a 3 years old game. It's a native DX12 game, so it probably runs smoother on older hardware than the DX11 ones. And don't forget, all the SysReq are for 1080p/60FPS.
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Post by azarhal on Jul 31, 2020 11:57:50 GMT
One more week! Then I'll be able to see if this game is overrated or not.
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Post by sjsharp2010 on Jul 31, 2020 16:26:38 GMT
One more week! Then I'll be able to see if this game is overrated or not. Yeah only one more week. I'll b ewaiting til later though besides I only just started a new playthrough of DAI yesterday and I know it's going to take me moer than a week to finish.
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Post by azarhal on Aug 3, 2020 17:28:48 GMT
Pre-load is up on Steam: 67.1 GB. That's 20 GB more than the complete PS4 version apparently.
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Post by Hrungr on Aug 3, 2020 18:15:36 GMT
Pre-load is up on Steam: 67.1 GB. That's 20 GB more than the complete PS4 version apparently. Thanks for the heads-up! 67 GB isn't bad, HR textures, etc. are going to add up. It's actually a bit of a lightweight compared to some games out there (RDR2, FFXV, D2SK, COD...).
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Post by azarhal on Aug 4, 2020 23:11:38 GMT
It seems the info I saw that the pre-load was up was wrong, the person confused the review copy with the preload option data. It will probably be the same size thought.
Also, PC review drop on August 5th (I'm not sure of the time).
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Post by sjsharp2010 on Aug 4, 2020 23:38:30 GMT
It seems the info I saw that the pre-load was up was wrong, the person confused the review copy with the preload option data. It will probably be the same size thought. Also, PC review drop on August 5th (I'm not sure of the time). Yeah given all th eextra bits they'er addin gt omake i tcompatible ith all the various PC configs there are. Still only a couple of days t ogo until it's ou tanyway. Wouldn' tbe surprised if the preload didn't go up tomorrow or something though
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Post by sjsharp2010 on Aug 5, 2020 12:46:54 GMT
Jus tfound this vid of PC gameplay
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Post by azarhal on Aug 5, 2020 13:14:08 GMT
There is a couple of "reviews" out. I wrote it as "review" because most of them just gush over the game graphics.
Also, the game crashed a lot early on but it apparently had a huge patch today so who knows what that is at.
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Post by sjsharp2010 on Aug 5, 2020 14:32:05 GMT
There is a couple of "reviews" out. I wrote it as "review" because most of them just gush over the game graphics. Also, the game crashed a lot early on but it apparently had a huge patch today so who knows what that is at. Yea hmost games cras ha bi tsometimes when the yfits tcome ou tuntil they ge tpatched so I don't see that as being a huge problem. I will admit though the graphics do look good. So as long as it's runnin gnice and smoot hbythe time we get our hansd on i twe should be fine.
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