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Post by konfeta on Jul 7, 2017 2:10:28 GMT
10 items, 1 guaranteed ultra-rare, 1 guaranteed rare or higher, and 5 xp booster packs.
Worth or we need data?
Expires in 3 days too, dang.
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Post by lennybusker on Jul 7, 2017 2:26:31 GMT
If we're a bit pessimistic and assume normal UR packs have a 20% UR drop rate (it's a little bit higher, I think), then there's about a 26% chance that any given run of 6 will NOT have a UR- conversely, it's about 74% chance that you'll get at least one from spending 600K on normal boxes. To guarantee at least one UR from normal UR boxes, you have to spend 1 miliion.
So it's a little bit better on the guaranteed side, but it's MUCH worse on the side of getting more consumables and, now that there's a gorillion other cards, more XI-XX rare and below characters and more Concussive, Siphon, and Bulwark weapons (rare and below).
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Post by JuggerNuggss on Jul 7, 2017 2:46:30 GMT
Get one for free doing the silver Apex mission. Doesn't seem anywhere near worth 600k. Buy a bunch of experts or some arsenals or reserves.
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Post by captjellico on Jul 7, 2017 5:53:05 GMT
Unfortunately, it's a one-shot deal. I strongly recommend capping out on basic packs to get all of your common characters to rank 20 before buying this or you'll end up doing what I did... you'll get a bunch of common character ranks instead of higher ranking stuff.
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Post by lennybusker on Jul 7, 2017 6:09:07 GMT
Unfortunately, it's a one-shot deal. I strongly recommend capping out on basic packs to get all of your common characters to rank 20 before buying this or you'll end up doing what I did... you'll get a bunch of common character ranks instead of higher ranking stuff. No. Rarities do not replace upwards, only downwards. If your commons are maxed out, slots that would have otherwise been a common card will just be a consumable.
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Post by Darth Lod on Jul 7, 2017 6:12:34 GMT
But, you don't really get 10 things. you still only get 5.
You see, old Bioware thinks it's funny to tell you that you get 10 things and mislead you. What they do is give you 5 High end XP Packs, and guess what? That counts as 5 of your 10. So, you still only get 5 "cards" but one of them is actually 5 of the same thing. (for some reason Bioware thinks people care about high end XP packs, I certainly dont at all)
Elite Pack is a complete and utter rip off, very disappointed. For the 10 bucks in real money it costs you can get 3 of the Reserves/Premium packs or for 600k points you can get 6. The pay out isn't worth it and the "10 items" is a spin on words to get you to buy it. It's false.
I got better things from the Apex Elite pack for doing the mission, and that was free.
So, like the majority of this game, things weren't thought through properly. But, considering not many people are even working on this game anymore the money sure isn't going into the game is it? The money people spend on the Multiplayer stuff is probably going into Anthem, not Mass Effect Andromeda like it should be.
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Post by joren123 on Jul 7, 2017 7:40:29 GMT
Well, it tells you in the pack description that 5 of the 10 items are xp boosts. So 1 slot dedicated to UR, 1 slot to rare, and 3 are a tossup. If all you have left to unlock are URs, then it is actually not bad. But if you got rares to do, then you are better off not getting it as 1 rank of 1 UR is probably not going to help you much compared to 12 rares.
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Post by spacev3gan on Jul 7, 2017 8:09:23 GMT
I bought it and I have to say it was not worth it. Buying 6 Premium/Arsenal/Reserve Packs is a better deal.
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Post by kaileena_sands on Jul 7, 2017 8:11:53 GMT
I bought it and I have to say it was not worth it. Buying 6 Premium/Arsenal/Reserve Packs is a better deal. Once again, it depends strongly on the roll you get with it. A buddy of mine got 3 URs out of it which money-wise is a fantastic deal for URs. I, of course, got 1 UR from it so it was a complete freaking waste.
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Post by Wintermist on Jul 7, 2017 10:06:51 GMT
But, you don't really get 10 things. you still only get 5. You see, old Bioware thinks it's funny to tell you that you get 10 things and mislead you. What they do is give you 5 High end XP Packs, and guess what? That counts as 5 of your 10. So, you still only get 5 "cards" but one of them is actually 5 of the same thing. (for some reason Bioware thinks people care about high end XP packs, I certainly dont at all) Elite Pack is a complete and utter rip off, very disappointed. For the 10 bucks in real money it costs you can get 3 of the Reserves/Premium packs or for 600k points you can get 6. The pay out isn't worth it and the "10 items" is a spin on words to get you to buy it. It's false. I got better things from the Apex Elite pack for doing the mission, and that was free. So, like the majority of this game, things weren't thought through properly. But, considering not many people are even working on this game anymore the money sure isn't going into the game is it? The money people spend on the Multiplayer stuff is probably going into Anthem, not Mass Effect Andromeda like it should be. Hmmm, I understood it as 10 items. I bought some Andromeda Points to get this pack and was like ..."Where's the rest?"... I ended up talking to support and all about it, and they sent it onwards to their people and now I'm told to wait for a reply. If it's not meant to be 10 items they should learn how to word things so it's not that misleading then.
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Post by Transcended One on Jul 7, 2017 10:18:55 GMT
I bought it and I have to say it was not worth it. Buying 6 Premium/Arsenal/Reserve Packs is a better deal. Once again, it depends strongly on the roll you get with it. A buddy of mine got 3 URs out of it which money-wise is a fantastic deal for URs. I, of course, got 1 UR from it so it was a complete freaking waste. Exactly. 600K for a guaranteed UR is a better deal than 1M on Premium packs for the same guarantee. Even when unlucky. Nevertheless I only got 1 UR out of it myself this time around...
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Post by lennybusker on Jul 7, 2017 12:18:44 GMT
But if you haven't maxed rares you'll get far more rares from the 10 P/A/R packs. Even cost for cost, you get far more for 6.
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Post by Transcended One on Jul 7, 2017 12:44:56 GMT
But if you haven't maxed rares you'll get far more rares from the 10 P/A/R packs. Even cost for cost, you get far more for 6. True enough. But on the other hand, I don't think many people have maxed their rares this soon after 1.09 anyway.
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Post by JRandall0308 on Jul 7, 2017 12:48:54 GMT
Math because I am bored. Assumed UR drop rate | Chance of at least 1 UR in 6 P/A/R packs | 20% | 74% | 21% | 76% | 22% | 77% | 23% | 79% | 24% | 81% | 25% | 82% |
So somewhere around 75%-80% of the time, buying 6 P/A/Rs is a better deal than buying 1 Apex Elite pack.
Now here's something else that is interesting. If you can arrange to go at least 4 packs in a row without a UR, then you can use the pity timer (guaranteed UR on 10th pack of same type, if previous 9 packs contained 0 URs) to make your odds of getting a UR 100% for this particular run of 6 packs. Either you get 1 UR "naturally" somewhere in the next 5 packs, or you are *guaranteed* to get one in the 6th pack. What are the chances of going 4 packs in a row *without* getting a UR? Assumed UR drop rate | Chance for 0 UR in 4 consecutive P/A/R packs | 20% | 41% | 21% | 39% | 22% | 37% | 23% | 35% | 24% | 33% | 25% | 32% |
So about 33%-40% of every run of 4 packs will leave you sitting on a 0 URs. That is common enough that when you're buying a lot of P/A/Rs you will come across it frequently. Which makes me think that the Apex Elite Pack is definitely not worth it.
Another way to look at this would be: In any given sample of (lots of P/A/Rs), randomly pick six in a row. What are the chances that those six packs do NOT contain a UR? This is slightly different than the first calculation. In fact, it is sufficiently complex that I don't have the math understanding to figure it out, so I will leave this exercise for someone else. But I suspect it will make the Apex Elite Pack an even worse deal.
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Post by bcfreeman on Jul 7, 2017 13:59:05 GMT
Finished some platinum games and I bought myself an Apex Elite Pack. I just got lucky. Batarian 1, and 2 UR BUT I will never buy this pack again if given the chance.
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Post by inert on Jul 7, 2017 14:05:01 GMT
I bought it and I have to say it was not worth it. Buying 6 Premium/Arsenal/Reserve Packs is a better deal. Once again, it depends strongly on the roll you get with it. A buddy of mine got 3 URs out of it which money-wise is a fantastic deal for URs. I, of course, got 1 UR from it so it was a complete freaking waste. Seeing as I get roughly 1 UR per 10 premium packs, paying 600k for a guaranteed UR is worth it. For the lucky folks getting 1 in 6 or less, it is not worth it.
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Post by Pounce de León on Jul 7, 2017 14:10:44 GMT
I'll never collect that much credits anyway.
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Post by konfeta on Jul 8, 2017 4:52:23 GMT
Say, does anyone actually know what is the chance of getting a multi-UR apex pack drop? Both of the freebie ones I got only gave me 1 UR card so far.
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Post by Uchimura on Jul 8, 2017 8:49:41 GMT
Finished some platinum games and I bought myself an Apex Elite Pack. I just got lucky. Batarian 1, and 2 UR BUT I will never buy this pack again if given the chance. "Great pack .. but fuck this pack"
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Post by dariat on Jul 8, 2017 9:42:11 GMT
I bought it too and I got 1 UR, 2 crappy rares and some random stuff. Not touching it again.
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Post by bshep on Jul 8, 2017 18:36:48 GMT
Not worth it. Only with the remnant base mission.
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Post by zan on Jul 8, 2017 19:28:17 GMT
Since my weapon priming combo spamming huntress is my go-to char for plat games, I'd far rather get her a few more ranks, rather than play Lottery with URs right now. So 6 reserve packs for me please, no fries.
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Post by lennybusker on Jul 8, 2017 19:55:21 GMT
Since my weapon priming combo spamming huntress is my go-to char for plat games, I'd far rather get her a few more ranks, rather than play Lottery with URs right now. So 6 reserve packs for me please, no fries. If you want ranks for a Rare then you're better off with Expert packs.
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Post by zan on Jul 8, 2017 20:38:34 GMT
Issue is that I do prioritize characters over weapons. There are 7 rare characters but 26 (?) weapons. So I figure if I want to get Huntress and Merc to XX before getting exciting things like Charger S (and god forbid all the new variants of thereof) to X, I am better off with reserve packs.
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Post by luckystarr on Jul 9, 2017 9:12:32 GMT
To guarantee at least one UR from normal UR boxes, you have to spend 1 miliion. How did you get that figure? As in, what probability constitutes a guarantee in your calculations? Because it will never be 100% for any arbitrarily large finite number of packs.
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