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Post by FrodosCat on May 11, 2017 2:34:49 GMT
Well, if this is the place for confessions:
DA2 is my favorite Dragon Age game
I would LOVE to follow that trail of bodies back to Fenris
I don’t feel an ounce of shame for liking Kai Leng ... oh, wait, wrong thread
I despise Duncan and would have loved to be the one to have killed him
Cullen is boring
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Post by opuspace on May 11, 2017 6:32:18 GMT
*Takes a deep breath*
I don't get how nugs are cute. The naked mole rat skin just kills whatever adorableness they have.
*Runs away*
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Post by Rascoth on May 11, 2017 6:39:51 GMT
*Takes a deep breath* I don't get how nugs are cute. The naked mole rat skin just kills whatever adorableness they have. *Runs away* You shouldn't have run away... now you just ask for it
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Post by opuspace on May 11, 2017 6:42:18 GMT
*Takes a deep breath* I don't get how nugs are cute. The naked mole rat skin just kills whatever adorableness they have. *Runs away* You shouldn't have run away... now you just ask for it
FENNECS FOREVER!
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Post by Rascoth on May 11, 2017 6:59:09 GMT
You shouldn't have run away... now you just ask for it
FENNECS FOREVER! Please, they don't have self-preservation instinct
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Post by Abraxas on May 11, 2017 7:29:22 GMT
Between changing protagonists, timeline/continuity issues and changes to gameplay/style/engine, I can't see three DA games as trilogy/continuation of the story from previous games. I kinda hope it'll change with DA4 and I'll feel it's continuation of DAI. I feel that Origins and DA 2 are connected, while Inquisition... I feel like if it was another game enterily. Maybe is because DA 2 had recurring older characters and did acknowledge both, the endings in Origins and Awakening... or is just because both games have Inor Zur's ost, and Inquisition have Trevor's, whose stile is different. After Trespasser, I think the story should continue into DA4, because there are still some things that need to be resolved aside from stopping that egghead. As for returning characters, it depends if they'll fit into the story and how much time passed since the last game. Speaking about DA makes me want to jump back in and play a new run. Mind, they did the same with Witch Hunt. After that DLC, it felt like if the story of the Warden was left unfinished. Yet, the Warden was totally ignored after that, reduced to "codex-only" character with a huge plothole. I'll be prepared to see DA writers doing something similar to the Inquisition.
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Post by Rascoth on May 11, 2017 7:41:36 GMT
Between changing protagonists, timeline/continuity issues and changes to gameplay/style/engine, I can't see three DA games as trilogy/continuation of the story from previous games. I kinda hope it'll change with DA4 and I'll feel it's continuation of DAI. I feel that Origins and DA 2 are connected, while Inquisition... I feel like if it was another game enterily. Maybe is because DA 2 had recurring older characters and did acknowledge both, the endings in Origins and Awakening... or is just because both games have Inor Zur's ost, and Inquisition have Trevor's, whose stile is different. To some degree, I agree. DAO and DA2 felt more connected. But timeline issues and some other things (mostly stupid epilogue sluders from DAO) doesn't let me think about it being true continuation. WhT helps in case of those two games is that change of protagonist is - from story standpoint - understandable. With Inquisition? They pretty much rendered Wardens/Hawkes to one mindset about it and as story is set up, either of them could play Inquisitor's part. I get it they'd need to add a lot of mentions, player choices... but tbh, I would've prefered DAI to be smaller scale/placed further away, so lack of involvement (or stupid way of portraying it *stares at Hawke*) could be avoided. Instead we got a game I just can't treat it as DAO/DA2's continuation (though in case of DAO it's easier to forget if my Warden's dead).
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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2017 12:31:23 GMT
To me it has to do a lot with differences in art style and the feel of the era in both writing the dialogues and the portrayal of the society.
A laborious take on thirteenth or something like that century in DA/A and they even tried to stylize character dialogue, though modernisms were all over it and they tried rather hard to comment on at least some social elements. the 15th or 16th with elements of 19th with completely modern dialogue in DA2 and only lip service over social standing in a couple of jokes. And Inquisition does a mix of eighteenth and ninteenth and loads social commentary into a few characters
They should have spaced the games by decades and centuries - and that would have resolved the fate of protagonists. The returning cast is not that great anyway.
and the artwork... that has no continuity whatsoever, including the appearance of the entire races, let alone landscapes.
Unrelated aside -if there is one remaster I would purchase, but only on condition that elves remain tall, is DA2. Because adding all those wasted areas of Inquisition as landscapes and reanimating the static cutscenes would be nice.
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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2017 13:11:21 GMT
Mind, they did the same with Witch Hunt. After that DLC, it felt like if the story of the Warden was left unfinished. Yet, the Warden was totally ignored after that, reduced to "codex-only" character with a huge plothole. I'll be prepared to see DA writers doing something similar to the Inquisition. I think you're right on that, but I wasn't just speaking of the previous protagonists. It's other characters that may return. For example, Dorian. If the next game is taking place in Tevinter, he might make an appearance.
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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2017 13:35:09 GMT
Mind, they did the same with Witch Hunt. After that DLC, it felt like if the story of the Warden was left unfinished. Yet, the Warden was totally ignored after that, reduced to "codex-only" character with a huge plothole. I'll be prepared to see DA writers doing something similar to the Inquisition. I think you're right on that, but I wasn't just speaking of the previous protagonists. It's other characters that may return. For example, Dorian. If the next game is taking place in Tevinter, he might make an appearance. Right, but then they also start propagating the important (and uber-attractive) cast members that cannot be romanced because the previous protagonist had the first dibs. It did not go over well when menfolk saw the "I am not for you" Leliana in Inquisition, I gather.
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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2017 13:47:01 GMT
Right, but then they also start propagating the important (and uber-attractive) cast members that cannot be romanced because the previous protagonist had the first dibs. It did not go over well when menfolk saw the "I am not for you" Leliana in Inquisition, I gather. I don't find anything wrong with a returning cast member being unromanceable, to be honest. If those guys were butthurt over Leliana in Inquisition, then that's their problem.
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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2017 13:52:44 GMT
Right, but then they also start propagating the important (and uber-attractive) cast members that cannot be romanced because the previous protagonist had the first dibs. It did not go over well when menfolk saw the "I am not for you" Leliana in Inquisition, I gather. I don't find anything wrong with a returning cast member being unromanceable, to be honest. If those guys were butthurt over Leliana in Inquisition, then that's their problem. Yes, but if they move into adivisory roles, they reduce romantic prospects and skew gender/race allocations. There is only so many characters they can write a lot of dialogue for, they can't all be the same combo of race/gender and you do need a few romances, so the more "cannot be romanced" cool characters you retain and carry over as either companions or advisors, the harder it becomes to manage. And if they widen the character pool, where is the cash to write and voice the side-quests? It's just far more freedom to allocate the resources and do concepts however you want when the games starts with a new cast and a new character.
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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2017 19:07:27 GMT
Yes, but if they move into adivisory roles, they reduce romantic prospects and skew gender/race allocations. There is only so many characters they can write a lot of dialogue for, they can't all be the same combo of race/gender and you do need a few romances, so the more "cannot be romanced" cool characters you retain and carry over as either companions or advisors, the harder it becomes to manage. And if they widen the character pool, where is the cash to write and voice the side-quests? It's just far more freedom to allocate the resources and do concepts however you want when the games starts with a new cast and a new character.
Fair enough. But even if the game has a new protagonist and cast, it doesn't hurt to have one or two returning cast members. That's if they have an important part in the story without taking away the focus on the new characters. About romances, I didn't really focus on that in my previous posts, because to me, there will always be available characters. It doesn't matter which gender, race or sexuality. I'm not going to get upset over someone who's not romanceable, because I'd rather spend more time playing the game and enjoying it as it is.
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Post by formerfiend on May 12, 2017 0:05:14 GMT
Confession: I still haven't actually played through Trespasser. When it came out I still had a PS3 and that didn't look to be changing any time soon so I went ahead and spoiled myself via youtube videos. The developments in the story they went with pissed me off so much that when I did end up getting a PS4 it was the better part of a year before I picked up Inquisition's special edition with all the DLC's and the only because it was used and on sale, and it was another six months before I bothered putting the disk in to start up a new playthrough, which I've put down after getting to the Hinterlands.
Now, part of that is due to a bug I'm having - and I don't know if this is because of the game or because of my controller because MEA started doing this same thing - where the Inquisitor is moving insufferably slow, crawling to a walk even when I'm pushing full bore on the analogue stick. MEA was tolerable because you could still sprint and dash but DAI was unbearable with that issue, especially knowing that the only thing I have waiting for me is that god damn DLC.
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Post by Gwydden on May 12, 2017 14:11:19 GMT
I find Solas dreadfully dull (pun intended), wish that his whole thing would have been wrapped up in Tresspasser, and hope he is involved as little as possible in DA4, sort of darkspawn levels of being in the background but not actually mattering all that much. It's gotten to the point where I am looking forward to DA5 more than DA4 because I want them to do away with the silly Veil and ancient elves plot and go with something more interesting.
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Post by Crim on May 14, 2017 0:04:26 GMT
*Takes a deep breath* I don't get how nugs are cute. The naked mole rat skin just kills whatever adorableness they have. *Runs away*
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Post by ryderflynn on May 15, 2017 12:07:04 GMT
I never thought I would like Hawke as a character till my replay of DA2. Whether if changing Hawke's personality from Red to Purple (and making her look cuter) contributed to her appeal, I can't say for sure.
One thing's for certain thought. I accidentally stumbled onto some spoilers earlier regarding Hawke's fate. Yeah... definitely gonna choose Alistair over Hawke. Sorry, Warden. Your love interest is f***ed. Hawke's miserable as it is, especially with my Mage-Hawke.
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Post by Rascoth on May 15, 2017 12:15:54 GMT
One thing's for certain thought. I accidentally stumbled onto some spoilers earlier regarding Hawke's fate. Yeah... definitely gonna choose Alistair over Hawke. Sorry, Warden. Your love interest is f***ed. Hawke's miserable as it is, especially with my Mage-Hawke. At least you're mentally prepared My first DAI pt was with my Andersmacing Hawke and Alistair as Warden's LI and I was so not prepared for that choice, I rage quitted when I got to it. Seriously, Alt+F4, delete that save and "adjust" the Keep right away :poker:
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Post by ryderflynn on May 15, 2017 12:29:14 GMT
One thing's for certain thought. I accidentally stumbled onto some spoilers earlier regarding Hawke's fate. Yeah... definitely gonna choose Alistair over Hawke. Sorry, Warden. Your love interest is f***ed. Hawke's miserable as it is, especially with my Mage-Hawke. At least you're mentally prepared My first DAI pt was with my Andersmacing Hawke and Alistair as Warden's LI and I was so not prepared for that choice, I rage quitted when I got to it. Seriously, Alt+F4, delete that save and "adjust" the Keep right away :poker: The thing is, I heard some good opinions about how Hawke's death in the Fade would be appropriate as a final act of heroism (or redemption, depending on how you played her). It is a good roleplaying opportunity, considering that my Max Hawke did kinda commit a few atrocities (albeit unintentionally), and probably would rather sacrifice her life to redeem herself or something. HOWEVER, if I'm forced to pull the trigger on her like that, just thinking about it now... I just don't think I could do it at all, not without feeling empty and hollowed out, possibly bawling in a flood of tears. :sob: She's grown on me a lot since I first replayed DA2 those few weeks back. As much as I hate that my Warden has to be the one to get the short end of the stick, it's harder on Hawke because of the horribly depressing events in DA2, AKA "A Series of Unfortunate Hawke Tragedies". On the bright side, it does boost the quality of Inquisition up by a little. I didn't expect such an ambiguous choice, considering how "light-hearted" I heard people talked about this game.
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Post by Rascoth on May 15, 2017 12:39:01 GMT
At least you're mentally prepared My first DAI pt was with my Andersmacing Hawke and Alistair as Warden's LI and I was so not prepared for that choice, I rage quitted when I got to it. Seriously, Alt+F4, delete that save and "adjust" the Keep right away :poker: The thing is, I heard some good opinions about how Hawke's death in the Fade would be appropriate as a final act of heroism (or redemption, depending on how you played her). It is a good roleplaying opportunity, considering that my Max Hawke did kinda commit a few atrocities (albeit unintentionally), and probably would rather sacrifice her life to redeem herself or something. HOWEVER, if I'm forced to pull the trigger on her like that, just thinking about it now... I just don't think I could do it at all, not without feeling empty and hollowed out, possibly bawling in a flood of tears. :sob: She's grown on me a lot since I first replayed DA2 those few weeks back. As much as I hate that my Warden has to be the one to get the short end of the stick, it's harder on Hawke because of the horribly depressing events in DA2, AKA "A Series of Unfortunate Hawke Tragedies". On the bright side, it does boost the quality of Inquisition up by a little. I didn't expect such an ambiguous choice, considering how "light-hearted" I heard people talked about this game. It's true it gives some roleplaying opportunities. But in my case, first: I love Hawke (if it's not obvious by this point) and to ever sacrifice her, I had to create in the Keep the most unlikely Hawke I'd ever play. Second: I seriously, seriously don't like how the reason to be left is worded by Hawke. I don't want to cite, to not spoiler it, but yeah... it feels like Hawke says one thing and does another. Third: for me (I know opinions are divided on that matter) it makes more sense to leave the Warden, whoever it is in pt.
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Post by Catilina on May 15, 2017 12:39:57 GMT
At least you're mentally prepared My first DAI pt was with my Andersmacing Hawke and Alistair as Warden's LI and I was so not prepared for that choice, I rage quitted when I got to it. Seriously, Alt+F4, delete that save and "adjust" the Keep right away :poker: The thing is, I heard some good opinions about how Hawke's death in the Fade would be appropriate as a final act of heroism (or redemption, depending on how you played her). It is a good roleplaying opportunity, considering that my Max Hawke did kinda commit a few atrocities (albeit unintentionally), and probably would rather sacrifice her life to redeem herself or something. HOWEVER, if I'm forced to pull the trigger on her like that, just thinking about it now... I just don't think I could do it at all, not without feeling empty and hollowed out, possibly bawling in a flood of tears. :sob: She's grown on me a lot since I first replayed DA2 those few weeks back. As much as I hate that my Warden has to be the one to get the short end of the stick, it's harder on Hawke because of the horribly depressing events in DA2, AKA "A Series of Unfortunate Hawke Tragedies". On the bright side, it does boost the quality of Inquisition up by a little. I didn't expect such an ambiguous choice, considering how "light-hearted" I heard people talked about this game. This isn't too hard in my viewpoint: I have Stroud and Loghain... Stroud's virtually unknown, Loghain deserved his redemption, for what he prepared for ten+ years. So: Hawke's alive. (Stroud can be difficult, if the player/Hawke grateful for Carver/Bethany's life) Personally, I dislike this decision, despite, that this is easy to me. (I think leave warden is the more logical decision, but Alistair have some emotional reasons for many people. It is worth paired him with a dick/bitter Hawke.)
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Post by ryderflynn on May 15, 2017 12:46:06 GMT
Now that I think about it, DA pretty much screws you over if you tried to romance Alistair with a non-human Warden. You couldn't marry him, so the only way to stay in romance is to make him a GW... Uh oh. Now you have to choose between the love of Warden's life or to put down a sad puppy at the pound.
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2017 12:48:53 GMT
Now that I think about it, DA pretty much screws you over if you tried to romance Alistair with a non-human Warden. You couldn't marry him, so the only way to stay in romance is to make him a GW... Uh oh. Now you have to choose between the love of Warden's life or to put down a sad puppy at the pound. Well marrying Alistair is not a very good choice for Ferelen since you both will die young
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Post by Rascoth on May 15, 2017 12:49:31 GMT
Now that I think about it, DA pretty much screws you over if you tried to romance Alistair with a non-human Warden. You couldn't marry him, so the only way to stay in romance is to make him a GW... Uh oh. Now you have to choose between the love of Warden's life or to put down a sad puppy at the pound. You can stay in romance with him even if he becomes king. If you harden him, you can convince him to keep non-noble Warden (or noble Warden that didn't decide to marry him) as his lover :dirty:
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Post by Iddy on May 15, 2017 12:53:07 GMT
I never thought I would like Hawke as a character till my replay of DA2. Whether if changing Hawke's personality from Red to Purple (and making her look cuter) contributed to her appeal, I can't say for sure. One thing's for certain thought. I accidentally stumbled onto some spoilers earlier regarding Hawke's fate. Yeah... definitely gonna choose Alistair over Hawke. Sorry, Warden. Your love interest is f***ed. Hawke's miserable as it is, especially with my Mage-Hawke. I'm a sucker for tragic stories and Hawke's death would be the cherry on that sadness flavored cake. But it doesn't stop there! You must choose between sacrificing yourself, letting the man you love die or convincing him to make a baby with another woman.
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