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Post by Catilina on May 15, 2017 12:54:49 GMT
Now that I think about it, DA pretty much screws you over if you tried to romance Alistair with a non-human Warden. You couldn't marry him, so the only way to stay in romance is to make him a GW... Uh oh. Now you have to choose between the love of Warden's life or to put down a sad puppy at the pound. Well marrying Alistair is not a very good choice for Ferelen since you both will die young And who cares about Ferelden? (Not every Warden is a pure good, self-sacrifice person.) Not mentioned: why so good, if someone rules for long times? One more addition: this is the reason, why the Warden (Queen Consort) left Ferelden for a while, to search for the cure.
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Post by ryderflynn on May 15, 2017 12:57:38 GMT
Now that I think about it, DA pretty much screws you over if you tried to romance Alistair with a non-human Warden. You couldn't marry him, so the only way to stay in romance is to make him a GW... Uh oh. Now you have to choose between the love of Warden's life or to put down a sad puppy at the pound. You can stay in romance with him even if he becomes king. If you harden him, you can convince him to keep non-noble Warden (or noble Warden that didn't decide to marry him) as his lover :dirty: Oh yeah, forgot all about that. My Warden's hardened enough though (or vicious, or bloodthirsty; take your pick), which was why I felt it an unsuitable match-up with a hardened Alistair. I never thought I would like Hawke as a character till my replay of DA2. Whether if changing Hawke's personality from Red to Purple (and making her look cuter) contributed to her appeal, I can't say for sure. One thing's for certain thought. I accidentally stumbled onto some spoilers earlier regarding Hawke's fate. Yeah... definitely gonna choose Alistair over Hawke. Sorry, Warden. Your love interest is f***ed. Hawke's miserable as it is, especially with my Mage-Hawke. I'm a sucker for tragic stories and Hawke's death would be the cherry on that sadness flavored cake. Incidentally, I felt the same towards tragic stories. I'm a sucker for them too. Buuuut, when it comes to tragic stories with characters that bear a special place in my heart, it becomes more complicated. I like tragic stories, just not those with people I love in them.
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2017 12:58:21 GMT
Well marrying Alistair is not a very good choice for Ferelen since you both will die young And who cares about Ferelden? (Not every Warden is a pure good, self-sacrifice person.) Not mentioned: why so good, if someone rules for long times? One more addition: this is the reason, why the Warden (Queen Consort) left Ferelden for a while, to search for the cure. Who cares about Ferelen? Ferelen is my baby. Warden being queen consort is a bad idea really. Alistair + Anora ftw
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Post by Catilina on May 15, 2017 12:58:39 GMT
I never thought I would like Hawke as a character till my replay of DA2. Whether if changing Hawke's personality from Red to Purple (and making her look cuter) contributed to her appeal, I can't say for sure. One thing's for certain thought. I accidentally stumbled onto some spoilers earlier regarding Hawke's fate. Yeah... definitely gonna choose Alistair over Hawke. Sorry, Warden. Your love interest is f***ed. Hawke's miserable as it is, especially with my Mage-Hawke. I'm a sucker for tragic stories and Hawke's death would be the cherry on that sadness flavored cake. But it doesn't stop there! You must choose between sacrificing yourself, letting the man you love die or convincing him to make a baby with another woman. This is the cost of Alistair love (and the Throne for fem!Warden. for male!Warden the cost "only" his love – if doesn't love Anora...)
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Post by Iddy on May 15, 2017 12:59:49 GMT
You can stay in romance with him even if he becomes king. If you harden him, you can convince him to keep non-noble Warden (or noble Warden that didn't decide to marry him) as his lover :dirty: Oh yeah, forgot all about that. My Warden's hardened enough though (or vicious, or bloodthirsty; take your pick), which was why I felt it an unsuitable match-up with a hardened Alistair. I'm a sucker for tragic stories and Hawke's death would be the cherry on that sadness flavored cake. Incidentally, I felt the same towards tragic stories. I'm a sucker for them too. Buuuut, when it comes to tragic stories with characters that bear a special place in my heart, it becomes more complicated. I like tragic stories, just not those with people I love in them. But it's exactly the fact that you love them that makes it meaningful. Why was John Marston's death such a memorable moment? Because we loved the grumpy bastard and wanted him to be happy.
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Post by Catilina on May 15, 2017 13:00:58 GMT
And who cares about Ferelden? (Not every Warden is a pure good, self-sacrifice person.) Not mentioned: why so good, if someone rules for long times? One more addition: this is the reason, why the Warden (Queen Consort) left Ferelden for a while, to search for the cure. Who cares about Ferelen? Ferelen is my baby. Warden being queen consort is a bad idea really. Alistair + Anora ftw For Ferelden of course. For the Warden? Not sure... I said what the cost of the Throne to fem!Warden. This cost required some determination and selfishness.
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2017 13:08:55 GMT
I really liked Sebastian. His accent is still annoying, but not as bad as Suvi's.
I don't like my F!Hawke at all,and will leave her in the Fade to bail Alistair if I ever get this far in Inquisition. My DAK set up is Clarel, the Mage Warden to fit Clarel in the game, and I planned to have Alistair die pretty much with her in Inquisition, but meh. Hawke it is, because out of the three, she is the least likeable. Screw the tragic romance story-ending.
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Post by ryderflynn on May 15, 2017 13:10:59 GMT
Oh yeah, forgot all about that. My Warden's hardened enough though (or vicious, or bloodthirsty; take your pick), which was why I felt it an unsuitable match-up with a hardened Alistair. Incidentally, I felt the same towards tragic stories. I'm a sucker for them too. Buuuut, when it comes to tragic stories with characters that bear a special place in my heart, it becomes more complicated. I like tragic stories, just not those with people I love in them. But it's exactly the fact that you love them that makes it meaningful. Why was John Marston's death such a memorable moment? Because we loved the grumpy bastard and wanted him to be happy. I get that, I really do. There's just some kind of catharsis that comes with tragic stories involving people you like, something strangely liberating about it, as if it affirms your own cynical worldview, saying, "See?! The world is as f***ed as I thought." Also, my loving of tragic stories is a(nother) reason why I made Hawke suffer as much as she did... At least Carver lived. It's a strangely tempting feeling when faced with a tragic character that makes me ask, "Could her fate be even more soul-crushing and make me feel even more sorry for her?" On the other hand, over the years, I kinda let the more light-hearted stories that resolve tragedies in the end (magically with a bow on the top) influence me somewhat. I don't know... happy endings can be silly and naive, but it just feels better (peaceful, perhaps) to know your favorite characters turned out alright, as ecstatic or cathartic as the alternative might be. I think a balance in between, where 80% of the story is tragic, but the ending has a redeeming happy ending would be fine for me. Kinda like "It's A Wonderful Life". Gotta feel sorry for those who skipped the ending because it's so depressing ("Friends"/Phoebe reference in case you didn't get that ).
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2017 13:42:18 GMT
Heh, the reason I like all four ME games more than the three DA games is that I always get a satisfying cool ending in ME, no matter if it's tragic or heroic. In every DA game I get an ending that is just frustrating and makes me feel I have wasted my time playing the whole story to end up this way. Revel Hawke was the only one that sort of got an okay ending going on a run with Anders and voluntarily taking on the equal share of responsibility for the propaganda by the deed action, but every other ending sucked. But even he did not get to participate in Anders underground movement and revolution, or have a thrilling sequence of rigging up the Chantry.
And I really dislike it when people tell me I could have done better if only I rigged up and did something I did not want to do in the beginning of the game. ME always ends great naturally, and my biggest wish for DA4 is that I get an awesome ending without having to read the whole game in advance and plan it out to not be disappointed again.
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Post by ryderflynn on May 15, 2017 13:51:25 GMT
Heh, the reason I like all four ME games more than the three DA games is that I always get a satisfying cool ending in ME, no matter if it's tragic or heroic. I'm surprised, considering most people felt the opposite, towards ME3 in particular. That "SO BE IT" option was a massive slap in the face, even after so many years. More like so-be-up-yours, Bioware.
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Post by brandoftime on May 15, 2017 13:52:49 GMT
I felt Trespasser was a bit confusing, and ultimately left too many hanging threads to be a true ending. So I head canoned that Solas did to the Inquisitor the same trick as when he took them back to Haven - Part of him wants to be redeemed, so he takes the Inquisitor on a journey in their mind to show them what is coming, including the mark in the hand becoming a problem. I'm honestly hoping this is how they resolve the disjointed way Trespasser was handled, and we start DA4 two or three days after defeating Cory, but now in possession of the warning. We would spend the prologue of the game convincing others that he is a real threat, and what is coming etc. Now the Inquisitor would have roughly 2 years heads up to change this. Plus, We still keep our hand, y'know so we can fight and stuff like that Solas is a powerful dream manipulator and I suspect given some of the strangeness in Trespasser's tone that this very well could be what happened here.
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Post by Abraxas on May 15, 2017 15:25:23 GMT
Now that I think about it, DA pretty much screws you over if you tried to romance Alistair with a non-human Warden. You couldn't marry him, so the only way to stay in romance is to make him a GW... Uh oh. Now you have to choose between the love of Warden's life or to put down a sad puppy at the pound. This is why I usually chose King Alistair in the Keep (even if my HoF isn't romancing him). Narrows the drama potential, yes, but I can live with that.
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2017 9:23:27 GMT
I would've hated Solas and Anders less if it weren't for their fanboys/girls especially Solas. I would've still disliked Anders since I highly value quality voice acting and Anders sounds like my 11 years old cousin in DA2
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Post by Abraxas on May 23, 2017 10:36:25 GMT
I would've hated Solas and Anders less if it weren't for their fanboys/girls especially Solas. I'm with you in hating Solas. I like Anders, thanks to Awakening, but not to the levels of fanboying him (also, I disliked his change in DA2, even if is something that happened in a logical progression).
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Post by Catilina on May 23, 2017 10:44:17 GMT
I would've hated Solas and Anders less if it weren't for their fanboys/girls especially Solas. I'm with you in hating Solas. I like Anders, thanks to Awakening, but not to the levels of fanboying him (also, I disliked his change in DA2, even if is something that happened in a logical progression). I just was happy to got two my favorite characters in one! I was impressed, and not disappointed. (Oops, this is an unpopular opinion, but okay, still a confession.)
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Post by Abraxas on May 23, 2017 10:49:48 GMT
Seriously? Seeing your avatar, I though you don't like Anders (?)
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2017 11:36:37 GMT
I would've hated Solas and Anders less if it weren't for their fanboys/girls especially Solas. I'm with you in hating Solas. I like Anders, thanks to Awakening, but not to the levels of fanboying him (also, I disliked his change in DA2, even if is something that happened in a logical progression). We ALL loved him in Awakening. It's that damn Justice that ruined our favorite grey warden apostate
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2017 11:51:11 GMT
I wish I could've made Gaspard a Grey Warden just like I did with Loghain. They may not be good King/Emperors but I'm a sucker for cool characters and Gaspard was one of them
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Post by Abraxas on May 23, 2017 12:11:31 GMT
My confession: I didn't liked Wynne at first. I even mocked my friend who introduced me to Dragon Age (he isn't as fan as I'm, but he follows the saga as well) for liking her. Then, I grew fond of her as we "traveled together" across Ferelden. I was happy to see her in Awakening, even if it just was one scene. I really felt her lost when I learned she died in Asunder. Also, I'm writing my first DA fic, and I felt unsure about because my terrible english...
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Post by phoray on May 23, 2017 13:18:09 GMT
I'm not sure I recognized Anders in DA2 as being Anders from Awakening my first PT. I think I'm more excited about the indirect DA4 confirmation in the news than I am about my date tonight. Nothing against him, but Thedas is my one true love
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Post by Andrew Waples on May 23, 2017 13:32:14 GMT
I'm still playing DAI years later and I don't know why. I don't know how many play throughs I have of this game, for some reason it keeps pulling me back and I don't have that with MEA, so I don't know.
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2017 14:29:58 GMT
I am grinding my teeth right now, because I feel I was not able to get my DA story.
The game won’t allow it, because it gates too many options, but when I look at DAK, I feel that my first Tapestry needs updates, and my second has not came out right at all after I did DA2.
First, I feel that I need to replay a part of Trespasser from the latest save to keep Inquisition intact for my Inquisitor, Sin Fell. I just keep feeling his grand sacrifice, his disbanding basically a small fiefdom he’d created was not appreciated at all. I just can’t leave it be, I am literally upset how pathetic the game leaves him. I know it’s idiotic to be upset about the game’s ending for two months in a row (and I know where that dark road leads with ME fandom), but here we are. And I still don’ think if keeping Inquisition would make me feel any better.
The second one is my second Hawke’s problem. I had the story lined up for my 2nd DA2 PT in DAK. I set it up as a Human Warden Clarel and Warden Alistair, so in a theoretical Inquisition run, both Clarel and Alistair die heroically (Clarel fighting the dragon, Alistair – in the Fade saving Hawke and Team Inquisition).
But my Blaze Hawke is such a bitch, that I would rather she dies in the Fade to save Alistair. That frees me up to play as a Dwarven Warden (as Clarel is canonically a Human). Which, I actually would not mind putting them 50 hours in (unlike a Human). All good? Well, not really.
My ideal DA:O PT would have been with a Dwarven Noble that married unhardened King Alistair, but the game won’t let me have that (let alone I don’t even know if he’d marry a Dwarf at all), so I wonder if that compromise would feel any better to go with Warden Alistair in romance and US with my Warden… except, I take it, Alistair would then just die instead….
So, that’s why I am grinding my teeth. No matter how I try to envision a PT that works for me, DA always ends with saying; "Nah, can't do."
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Post by Rascoth on May 23, 2017 14:39:18 GMT
My ideal DA:O PT would have been with a Dwarven Noble that married unhardened King Alistair, but the game won’t let me have that (let alone I don’t even know if he’d marry a Dwarf at all), so I wonder if that compromise would feel any better to go with Warden Alistair in romance and US with my Warden… except, I take it, Alistair would then just die instead…. You can US with your Warden even if in romance with Alistair. Just leave him at the gate. As for the rest... I kinda get where you're coming from. I can't decide on my canon ( except for my canon Hawke, may she always be canon) because of things like the ones you mentioned :poker:
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2017 14:41:25 GMT
I'm still playing DAI years later and I don't know why. I don't know how many play throughs I have of this game, for some reason it keeps pulling me back and I don't have that with MEA, so I don't know. You're not alone brother. It has been 3 years but it still keeps pulling me into its grasp
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This confession is tough for me because I don't really know where I got this idea, but I can't seem to shake it so here it goes...I think at least one, if not all of the Evanuris were vampires. Stop laughing at me.
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