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Post by fylimar on Jun 1, 2017 5:28:58 GMT
@carefull I understand you not wanting to recruit companions, you don't care about. I'm ok with most companions in DA2 (apart from Sebastian and he often gets not recruited, only when I want to do his act 2 quest, which I like) and all of DAI. But I have problems with some companions in DAO, who are forced on us by the story: Alistair, Morrigan and Oghren. I like the rest just fine, but they are the once, you can skip (Wynne, Zevran, Sten, Shale and Leli can all be not recruited), but you can't tell Ali or Morrigan to not join and I haven't found the dialogue to send away Oghren yet. Tbh, Ali is tolerable for certain characters (I think, I might not switch him for Loghain with my Brosca playthrough), but I can't spend too much time with that character. Morrigan and Oghren are just ... well ... not my cup of tea. So I usually just park Morrigan by her fire and Oghren near that tent and leave them there to rot. About world stats: I love creating different ones, but one thing, that never change is, that all my wardens romance Zevran, because in DAO there is just no other romance, that interests me. I might try the Ser Gilmore mod, because I liked that character in the Cousland origins story. Otherwise, I tried a lot of things differently - Ali was everything: GW, king, king with Anora, drunk, dead. DR and US. Bhelen or Harrowmont and Branka or Carridin. And so on. But I never kill the mages in DAO (because why? They are easy to rescue and you do the whole Fade thing anyway), always try to bring peace between Dalish and werewolves and haven't so far defiled the Urn. The last thing is, because, I as a player hate that cult in Haven and can not bring myself to help them in any way. The moment I found out about their ritual sacrifices and cannibalism, I was adamant not to help them - there is only one tolerable cannibal and his name is Hannibal Lecter In DA2 I normally help the mages, because Meredith just lost her marbles too much to overlook it, I can't bring myself to kill Anders (and I don't think, that is Hawkes choice to make)and I would never give Fenris to the slavers or make Feynriel tranquil, but apart from that, I'm pretty open. In DAI I did the most things different so far. I think, I tried every big decision in the game once (apart from killing a companion) and never romanced a companion twice (I will in future playthroughs, but so far, every character had a different partner)
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Post by Rascoth on Jun 1, 2017 7:56:10 GMT
fylimar You can send Morrigan away really quickly. In my first pts I used to send her away as soon as we reached Lothering And that should be my confession. My first pt(s) of DA games usually end in me having poorer companion rooster. DAO? Sent away Morrigan, missed Sten, killed Zevran, didn't have Shale's DLC. DAA? Killed Velanna, didn't recruit Sigrun. DA2? Didn't recruit Fenris, missed Isabela, didn't have Sebastian's DLC. DAI? Didn't recruit Sera, Vivienne and Bull, sent away Cole, forgot about Blackwall. Now I'm recruiting everyone, because after giving them a chance I grew to like, or at least tolerate, them. Plus I turned into companion hoarder
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2017 11:51:33 GMT
I wholeheartedly approve, @carefull I've committed to four canon worlds myself with some of them having themes (In my siggy) But what I'm particularly glad of is you've found the magic of DA world building. ^__^ Edit Add: Those darn apostates: 1. Amell/Morrigan -> Hawke/ Anders-> LAvellan/Solas LGBT Friendly: 3. Naderra Brosca/Leliana->F. Hawke Mage friend/Merril ->Trev Templar/Dorian Elves and mages for everyone: 4. Surana/Zevran->F.Hawke Mage/Fenris s>Mage Lavellan/Cullen Although, actually, I kinda joke. It was important to me to make 4 distinct world state where all the LI's were romanced. This is easy to accomplish in the Four Format with Origins and DA2, but DAI with it's 9 options has had me a bit torn. Cullen and Solas definitely have a spot. The last two slots are a fight between Sera, Dorian, and Blackwall. Cass lost hard and I won't touch IB with a ten foot pole. I am more like fylimar in respect to romances, in that I do not have trouble with wanting to romance anyone but Dorian in Inquisition. Everyone else is just dull to me by comparison. So, themes help with that. Which is unfortunate, because I like one of the two female voices in Inquisition, something that has been a big miss for me in other games driving me to prefer males. in DA2, I'd like to see the romance with 4/5 available companions, but I don't know if I could do a 4th run through DA2, let alone Inquisition, and nobody really aligns with Sebastian thematically. Plus, well, there are three classes for PC, and three non-human races in Inquisition. So, three feels like a lucky number... i still find the descisions in DA2/Inquisition/Andromeda too unremarkable compared to MET to feel like replaying for the quest resolution sake, though, obviously, I try for as much variety as I can, including killing Anders or recruiting Isabela. I think I draw the line on being friends with Bull or Morrigan. MET replayability is about rebuilding the game every time like lego blocks from your descisions. Andromeda's is in NG+ brilliance with building your character up and up and up while keeping your stuff, and just how light/enjoyable it is to cruise through it. but, well, it also I guess, depends on how long the wait is for the next Bio title, as I don't really see alternatives on the market for my style of gaming. If the wait is long, I might actually do a dwarven PT of Origins as much as it is a PITA of a game to play.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2017 17:08:38 GMT
Just like Shepard and Ryder I cannot play as custom looking Hawke. Thank god default Warden and Inquisitors are ugly as fuck
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Post by Aneira on Jun 1, 2017 17:31:55 GMT
I never understood the appeal of a rivalmance.
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Post by fylimar on Jun 1, 2017 17:36:18 GMT
fylimar You can send Morrigan away really quickly. In my first pts I used to send her away as soon as we reached Lothering And that should be my confession. My first pt(s) of DA games usually end in me having poorer companion rooster. DAO? Sent away Morrigan, missed Sten, killed Zevran, didn't have Shale's DLC. DAA? Killed Velanna, didn't recruit Sigrun. DA2? Didn't recruit Fenris, missed Isabela, didn't have Sebastian's DLC. DAI? Didn't recruit Sera, Vivienne and Bull, sent away Cole, forgot about Blackwall. Now I'm recruiting everyone, because after giving them a chance I grew to like, or at least tolerate, them. Plus I turned into companion hoarder Thanks, I didn't know, I can send Morrigan away. Since I only use Wynne as a mage anyway, I don't need a spare mage (or I play one myself, if I want two mages in the group) and I really don't like Morrigan...
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Post by Rascoth on Jun 1, 2017 17:58:58 GMT
Thanks, I didn't know, I can send Morrigan away. Since I only use Wynne as a mage anyway, I don't need a spare mage (or I play one myself, if I want two mages in the group) and I really don't like Morrigan... Happy to help *bows* She still appears before the last battle to offer DR, but you can show her middle finger again.Edit: And btw. Forgot about it since I never do so, but there is dialogue option to tell Oghren to leave as well.
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Post by Catilina on Jun 1, 2017 18:17:30 GMT
I never understood the appeal of a rivalmance. It's sexy with and more believable as mage Hawke with Fenris, but just a mere sexual attraction with Anders. Working good with Isabela, and less with Merrill. Each has a different reason.
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I was obsessing and obsessing over the Warden and Inquisitor that fits with a Sebastian-mancer, so I finally got a hunch I need to work on. Something like Maker's Breath! with a theme of conversion.
Warden: M!City Elf Kivan in a ranger version of a Rogue, romancing Leliana & giving Loghain a chance to redeem himself via Ultimate Sacrifice Hawke: a DW rogue that pushes Sebastian to become a Prince. I will have to get the mod to keep Carver... or play a mage Inquisitor: a DW Male Rogue, I want to say another Qunari, but should probably play a Male Elf instead since I have never played one in Inqui, romancing Cassandra and making her a Divine. Dorian is going to be a huge problem. Unless I play a Mage and skip recruiting Dorian.
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Post by Rascoth on Jun 2, 2017 23:28:37 GMT
Time for something petty.I'm a bit angry at DAI Varric... because of nickname. Yes. I'm angry because of stupid nickname. He calls Solas Chuckles, which is a nickname he can give sarcastic Hawke. Here goes my headcanon *sniff* I know it's petty, the nickname is mentioned only once in MotA, but diplomatic (Waffles) and aggresive (Killer) Hawkes didn't lose theirs to baldy
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Post by Catilina on Jun 2, 2017 23:33:45 GMT
I was obsessing and obsessing over the Warden and Inquisitor that fits with a Sebastian-mancer, so I finally got a hunch I need to work on. Something like Maker's Breath! with a theme of conversion. Warden: M!City Elf Kivan in a ranger version of a Rogue, romancing Leliana & giving Loghain a chance to redeem himself via Ultimate Sacrifice Hawke: a DW rogue that pushes Sebastian to become a Prince. I will have to get the mod to keep Carver... or play a mage Inquisitor: a DW Male Rogue, I want to say another Qunari, but should probably play a Male Elf instead since I have never played one in Inqui, romancing Cassandra and making her a Divine. Dorian is going to be a huge problem. Unless I play a Mage and skip recruiting Dorian. Mage Hawke not really good to Sebastian. A mage never could be Princess of Starkhaven (or at least less believable). Use mod, or... Bethany not that bad. Why Dorian's a problem?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 3, 2017 1:05:24 GMT
I was obsessing and obsessing over the Warden and Inquisitor that fits with a Sebastian-mancer, so I finally got a hunch I need to work on. Something like Maker's Breath! with a theme of conversion. Warden: M!City Elf Kivan in a ranger version of a Rogue, romancing Leliana & giving Loghain a chance to redeem himself via Ultimate Sacrifice Hawke: a DW rogue that pushes Sebastian to become a Prince. I will have to get the mod to keep Carver... or play a mage Inquisitor: a DW Male Rogue, I want to say another Qunari, but should probably play a Male Elf instead since I have never played one in Inqui, romancing Cassandra and making her a Divine. Dorian is going to be a huge problem. Unless I play a Mage and skip recruiting Dorian. Mage Hawke not really good to Sebastian. A mage never could be Princess of Starkhaven (or at least less believable). Use mod, or... Bethany not that bad. Why Dorian's a problem? 'Cause I'll just default to romancing Rian. Bethany is not that bad, but I'll end up getting Bethany in my every PT.
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Post by Catilina on Jun 3, 2017 1:36:07 GMT
Mage Hawke not really good to Sebastian. A mage never could be Princess of Starkhaven (or at least less believable). Use mod, or... Bethany not that bad. Why Dorian's a problem? 'Cause I'll just default to romancing Rian. Bethany is not that bad, but I'll end up getting Bethany in my every PT. Cassandra is nice romance, I don't think, you will miss Dorian. But Cassandra's romance better as Trevelyan than as dalish (Cassandra probably open-minded, but she has some bad comments about the dalish beliefs). I didn't with elf this romance, phoray wrote it. Eh, why you need Sebastian...!?
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Post by phoray on Jun 3, 2017 1:56:25 GMT
'Cause I'll just default to romancing Rian. Bethany is not that bad, but I'll end up getting Bethany in my every PT. Cassandra is nice romance, I don't think, you will miss Dorian. But Cassandra's romance better as Trevelyan than as dalish (Cassandra probably open-minded, but she has some bad comments about the dalish beliefs). I didn't with elf this romance, phoray wrote it. Eh, why you need Sebastian...!? I was confused why I was tagged for a bit there. Cass and a devout Dalish Elf takes some head cannon-ing regarding a likely argument after the Temple of Mythal. She says, "I can't believe the Dalish believe in such nonsense!" I hadn't expected it, and it ruined the relationship for me. After the sex scene, you can't break up with her, so I was stuck with her the rest of the game. She's also Anti Sera, Anti Dorian, and Anti Cole ( least at first), which I guess I finally noticed after hanging out with her all game. Could be solved a couple ways: Don't be a devout Dalish. OR Don't bring her to the Temple. OR Stick your fingers in your ears singing lalalalala OR head canon an argument with apologies on her side. to be honest, it's a bit OOC for her. Up to this point, in all cut scenes of the relationship, she acknowledges that you both believe something different and she's okay with it. So, like, why would she belittle and scoff about a temple of your religion all of a sudden? *shrug* That's my experience. Do with it as ye will. PS- Princess of Starkhaven can't be a mage just like a mage couldn't marry Alistair.
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Post by Rascoth on Jun 3, 2017 2:01:15 GMT
PS- Princess of Starkhaven can't be a mage just like a mage couldn't marry Alistair. In DA2 mage can become viscount/viscountess, so with that logic I don't see why mage princess can't happen As of Alistair, I felt it was more of being not-noble human, not because of being mage. I feel like if we had commoner origin, she wouldn't be able to marry Alistair as well.
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Post by Catilina on Jun 3, 2017 2:04:04 GMT
PS- Princess of Starkhaven can't be a mage just like a mage couldn't marry Alistair. In DA2 mage can become viscount/viscountess, so with that logic I don't see why mage princess can't happen As of Alistair, I felt it was more of being not-noble human, not because of being mage. I feel like if we had commoner origin, she wouldn't be able to marry Alistair as well. Amell is noble. Kirkwall's a weird place... I don't think, Starkhaven is similar, but who know. I just said: a bit unbelievable.
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Post by phoray on Jun 3, 2017 2:05:15 GMT
PS- Princess of Starkhaven can't be a mage just like a mage couldn't marry Alistair. In DA2 mage can become viscount/viscountess, so with that logic I don't see why mage princess can't happen As of Alistair, I felt it was more of being not-noble human, not because of being mage. I feel like if we had commoner origin, she wouldn't be able to marry Alistair as well. Hawke is a noble via Amell blood. The Amell mage of Origins can't marry Alistair regardless of their nobility. It's possible the Free Marches are just independent enough to ignore Chantry sactions regarding mages in power. It's more of an information gap you could take advantage of via head canon than an actual confirmation, Imo
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Post by Rascoth on Jun 3, 2017 2:07:52 GMT
In DA2 mage can become viscount/viscountess, so with that logic I don't see why mage princess can't happen As of Alistair, I felt it was more of being not-noble human, not because of being mage. I feel like if we had commoner origin, she wouldn't be able to marry Alistair as well. Amell is noble. Kirkwall's a weird place... I don't think, Starkhaven is similar, but who know. I just said: a bit unbelievable. I know, I know. I was going more "which-origin-are-you" than actual facts. Though I'm not certain mages taken into the Circle retain their titles.Lol, true about Kirkwall. But with Sebastian in Starkhaven... I imagine he could bring a bit of that weirdness with him Edit: phoray You ninja you... Either way, answered above what I meant when talking about noble. Well, I do like to take adventage of information gaps
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Post by opuspace on Jun 3, 2017 7:34:29 GMT
Cassandra is nice romance, I don't think, you will miss Dorian. But Cassandra's romance better as Trevelyan than as dalish (Cassandra probably open-minded, but she has some bad comments about the dalish beliefs). I didn't with elf this romance, phoray wrote it. Eh, why you need Sebastian...!? I was confused why I was tagged for a bit there. Cass and a devout Dalish Elf takes some head cannon-ing regarding a likely argument after the Temple of Mythal. She says, "I can't believe the Dalish believe in such nonsense!" I hadn't expected it, and it ruined the relationship for me. After the sex scene, you can't break up with her, so I was stuck with her the rest of the game. She's also Anti Sera, Anti Dorian, and Anti Cole ( least at first), which I guess I finally noticed after hanging out with her all game. Could be solved a couple ways: Don't be a devout Dalish. OR Don't bring her to the Temple. OR Stick your fingers in your ears singing lalalalala OR head canon an argument with apologies on her side. to be honest, it's a bit OOC for her. Up to this point, in all cut scenes of the relationship, she acknowledges that you both believe something different and she's okay with it. So, like, why would she belittle and scoff about a temple of your religion all of a sudden? *shrug* That's my experience. Do with it as ye will. Cassandra has had more than one hypocritical moment so it shows that she's as flawed as the rest. She gives Rainier a hard time about lying and yet Dorian has to call out her BS when she lies to him about the corrupt actions of the Seekers. And she has the gall to say it's a gray issue. This is a woman who fancies herself a Seeker of Truth. Same woman who says she does not shy away from hard truths, same person who approves of telling that couple in Emprise du Lion the truth about the death of the woman's brother at the hands of her lover even though they wished it had never been said. She has done the same damn thing as the Templars involved in the real Cole's death: Cover it up for the sake of a comrade and pretend it wasn't a big deal. So say she becomes Divine and/or leads the new Seekers. What about when they do something shady? Not if, WHEN.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 3, 2017 12:01:14 GMT
Uhm, it's not as complicated as that.
I want a PT that is dedicated to Andrastians, so, naturally, in Inquisition, if I pick an elf, he'd have a sincere religious epiphany & convert to Andraste's faith in the aftermath of the Conclave.
And, can a mage marry Sebastian in DA2, or this option is unavailable?
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Post by phoray on Jun 3, 2017 15:57:27 GMT
Uhm, it's not as complicated as that. I want a PT that is dedicated to Andrastians, so, naturally, in Inquisition, if I pick an elf, he'd have a sincere religious epiphany & convert to Andraste's faith in the aftermath of the Conclave. And, can a mage marry Sebastian in DA2, or this option is unavailable? DA2 pretty much just skims over Hawke being a mage no matter what. I'm pretty sure Sebastian will propose-ish to Hawke regardless of class so long as your willing to kill Anders.
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Post by Iddy on Jun 5, 2017 13:56:06 GMT
Uhm, it's not as complicated as that. I want a PT that is dedicated to Andrastians, so, naturally, in Inquisition, if I pick an elf, he'd have a sincere religious epiphany & convert to Andraste's faith in the aftermath of the Conclave. And, can a mage marry Sebastian in DA2, or this option is unavailable? DA2 pretty much just skims over Hawke being a mage no matter what. I'm pretty sure Sebastian will propose-ish to Hawke regardless of class so long as your willing to kill Anders. Meredith does acknowledge it, though.
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Post by phoray on Jun 5, 2017 14:00:14 GMT
DA2 pretty much just skims over Hawke being a mage no matter what. I'm pretty sure Sebastian will propose-ish to Hawke regardless of class so long as your willing to kill Anders. Meredith does acknowledge it, though. *sigh* ya barely. What is it, one line? Fenris and Anders mention your mage status way more. Sebastian actually talks about turning you in! Well, indirectly. He talks about turning Anders and MErril in, but all of that would obviously include Hawke.
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Post by Iddy on Jun 5, 2017 14:01:08 GMT
I was confused why I was tagged for a bit there. Cass and a devout Dalish Elf takes some head cannon-ing regarding a likely argument after the Temple of Mythal. She says, "I can't believe the Dalish believe in such nonsense!" I hadn't expected it, and it ruined the relationship for me. After the sex scene, you can't break up with her, so I was stuck with her the rest of the game. She's also Anti Sera, Anti Dorian, and Anti Cole ( least at first), which I guess I finally noticed after hanging out with her all game. Could be solved a couple ways: Don't be a devout Dalish. OR Don't bring her to the Temple. OR Stick your fingers in your ears singing lalalalala OR head canon an argument with apologies on her side. to be honest, it's a bit OOC for her. Up to this point, in all cut scenes of the relationship, she acknowledges that you both believe something different and she's okay with it. So, like, why would she belittle and scoff about a temple of your religion all of a sudden? *shrug* That's my experience. Do with it as ye will. Cassandra has had more than one hypocritical moment so it shows that she's as flawed as the rest. She gives Rainier a hard time about lying and yet Dorian has to call out her BS when she lies to him about the corrupt actions of the Seekers. And she has the gall to say it's a gray issue. This is a woman who fancies herself a Seeker of Truth. Same woman who says she does not shy away from hard truths, same person who approves of telling that couple in Emprise du Lion the truth about the death of the woman's brother at the hands of her lover even though they wished it had never been said. She has done the same damn thing as the Templars involved in the real Cole's death: Cover it up for the sake of a comrade and pretend it wasn't a big deal. So say she becomes Divine and/or leads the new Seekers. What about when they do something shady? Not if, WHEN. I don't think the writers are even aware of these flaws. I remember Solas telling her "It is a difficult path, Seeker, but if anyone can walk it honorably, you can", so she is pretty much portrayed as a beacon of virtue.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2017 14:02:18 GMT
Meredith does acknowledge it, though. *sigh* ya barely. What is it, one line? Fenris and Anders mention your mage status way more. Sebastian actually talks about turning you in! Well, indirectly. He talks about turning Anders and MErril in, but all of that would obviously include Hawke. The biggest acknowledgement was in Inquisition, when Hawke said that she is not a Vicountess any more because the Templars became suspicious about her, and she had to go on a run. I don't know if that's what a non-Mage says.
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