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Post by colfoley on Oct 27, 2017 23:13:41 GMT
art is art. Don't rush it. Don't put artificial barriers on it. As long as you are writing for yourself you'll be good in this regard. Yeah, rushing it is never my problem. It's more of not really being able to create excitement. I start out to tell something really cool, and end up with two pages of chick fic psychobabble that is boring as hells because I need to build the scene up and explain what's what and who's who. writers often have to get through the nuts and bolts world building and set up though before they can get to the good stuff. Like suffering through the veggies before you can get to the meat. My first book...for example...is a bit of a gamble because i am having to do that first. Book 1 essentially one giant act one for my series.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 29, 2017 2:56:27 GMT
Yeah, rushing it is never my problem. It's more of not really being able to create excitement. I start out to tell something really cool, and end up with two pages of chick fic psychobabble that is boring as hells because I need to build the scene up and explain what's what and who's who. writers often have to get through the nuts and bolts world building and set up though before they can get to the good stuff. Like suffering through the veggies before you can get to the meat. My first book...for example...is a bit of a gamble because i am having to do that first. Book 1 essentially one giant act one for my series. You are right, of course. I guess, I am just struggling with disappointment that what I write always ends up too boring for my taste.
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Post by Lady Artifice on Oct 29, 2017 16:38:06 GMT
writers often have to get through the nuts and bolts world building and set up though before they can get to the good stuff. Like suffering through the veggies before you can get to the meat. My first book...for example...is a bit of a gamble because i am having to do that first. Book 1 essentially one giant act one for my series. You are right, of course. I guess, I am just struggling with disappointment that what I write always ends up too boring for my taste. It happens frequently that I go back over something I wrote which felt right while I wrote it, but comes off as slow and unnecessary when I read it out loud. So I cut it. I'm finding more and more that being willing to "kill the darlings" (deleting the favorite little bits of prose that sound great when we come up with them but add nothing to a scene) actually is the best option. I may not be able to delete them as ruthlessly as some--I often save them in a document for writing fragments just in case I can use them somehow later--but I can accept that I might go into a scene thinking I know which are the most important sentences and dialogue exchanges, but find that in the end they were actually the least necessary. My other failing I'm trying to work on is my bad habit of defusing my own plots of their urgency. I was recently trying to write a scene where a character found something she wanted more immediately and desperately than anything else, yet waited hours (and pages) to start trying to do something about it. That might have worked for some characters, but in this case it just let all of the urgency just seep from that part of the story. I think that might be a huge key in writing something exciting, always work towards tension and a sense of immediacy, and forget the unnecessary flourishes.
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Post by smilesja on Oct 29, 2017 17:57:19 GMT
I feel like a zombie writing all this GOT RP.
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Post by phoray on Oct 29, 2017 18:01:41 GMT
take a break?
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Post by smilesja on Oct 29, 2017 18:02:14 GMT
I am!
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Post by colfoley on Oct 29, 2017 21:19:04 GMT
writers often have to get through the nuts and bolts world building and set up though before they can get to the good stuff. Like suffering through the veggies before you can get to the meat. My first book...for example...is a bit of a gamble because i am having to do that first. Book 1 essentially one giant act one for my series. You are right, of course. I guess, I am just struggling with disappointment that what I write always ends up too boring for my taste. It actually is the same for me. I can't speak for everyone but I think its fairly typical. Get used to it, it does not have to be, your ideas usually are better in your head then on the paper, rarely do they match perfectly 1 to 1. But when they do, man its a great feeling. Even better when you can truly get into the flow and actually do something you didn't plan but it works perfectly.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 29, 2017 22:49:49 GMT
You are right, of course. I guess, I am just struggling with disappointment that what I write always ends up too boring for my taste. It actually is the same for me. I can't speak for everyone but I think its fairly typical. Get used to it, it does not have to be, your ideas usually are better in your head then on the paper, rarely do they match perfectly 1 to 1. But when they do, man its a great feeling. Even better when you can truly get into the flow and actually do something you didn't plan but it works perfectly. Well, fingers crossed. Tomorrow I will actually start writting with an intention for it to go into the “novel”. Been mostly thinking about the feedback I was getting on the story-to-become-chapter over the weekend and how to work through the issues brought up.
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Post by phoray on Oct 30, 2017 16:23:39 GMT
I was born in 1987 and have little exposure to a lot lot of 80's movies. I've probably only seen ET once, for example. And the Shining, maybe once or twice. Both of these were so long ago.
Point is, I never once got any of the throwback references to earlier pop culture while I was literally watching the series just last week on my vacation. When he puts them side by side, it's obvious. But from my memory being fuzzy as all get out, these were totally fresh scenes to me.
pretty much every kid born after me who is not into old movies is going to have the same reaction. Does it matter if it's recycled if you never saw it the first time?
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Post by smilesja on Oct 30, 2017 17:49:36 GMT
Its like a look into an completely foreign place. People born in the late 70’s early 80’s would probably get it, but not others.
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Post by Beerfish on Oct 30, 2017 18:54:15 GMT
Young whippersnappers, why back in my day we had to write books on a typewriter, only outside, during the winter, with only a candle, and no thesaurus.
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Post by Inosha T'Rynn on Oct 30, 2017 18:56:05 GMT
I own a typewriter. I just need to find ribbon and desk space for it Almost done with a re-write on a Keri T'Vessa/FemRyder one shot, and chapters 11, 12, and 13 of my Sloane/Addison long fic. Writing Sloane Kelly brings out the best in me.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 30, 2017 19:40:55 GMT
I've chiseled out the first 1K words of Chapter One on my stone tablet (well, okay, it was not like that, but I have typed, retyped and moved the stubborn sentences around a bunch of times, so I do feel like I was chiseling)... which took care of a huge chunk of the initial world-building. Probably more than I need, but I am leaving the pruning until I have the full draft of the chapter. And, well, one of the readers wanted more description of the buildings and stuff, so, yes, I've tried my hand in gratuitous décor descriptions (groan).
I am almost to the point of writing an actual event that happens in Chapter 1, imagine that! And, worked on the outline. There was one node that made absolutely no sense. Also, added the ideas for the scenes that I thought about during the weekend.
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Post by Lady Artifice on Oct 30, 2017 20:03:51 GMT
I was born in 1987 and have little exposure to a lot lot of 80's movies. I've probably only seen ET once, for example. And the Shining, maybe once or twice. Both of these were so long ago. Point is, I never once got any of the throwback references to earlier pop culture while I was literally watching the series just last week on my vacation. When he puts them side by side, it's obvious. But from my memory being fuzzy as all get out, these were totally fresh scenes to me. Your wording gives me the impression you're interpreting the video as criticism of Stranger Things, when it's doing the opposite. The video actually addresses this in the mention about Cumberbatch's Khan. It matters for exactly the reason you point out: If a younger generation watches the media and the reference makes no sense without the nostalgic context that a previous generation might have had, it's a dated shortcut for the writer to take. For those who watch that scene with the dramatic close-up and Cumberbatch snarling, "My name is Khan!" and aren't aware of the events in original Wrath of Khan film, it just comes off as weird. Whereas, as the video details, Stranger Things integrates those references with a skillful hand, so that they can stand very well on their own. In other words, when utilizing nostalgia in your writing, make sure you're in control of the nostalgia rather than letting it control the work.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 31, 2017 20:02:46 GMT
Finished a rough draft of Chapter 1 at 3K words, need to edit the hell out of it & decide how many hours elapses till the beginning of Chapter 2 because it determined the time of day when it takes place.
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Sorted out the timeline of the first four chapters and the movements of the three characters and their entourage, and worked my way through the outline to find opportunities for adding more exciting events like magic displays, duels, sword fights, and a few fights/battles. Had to work in another character (really did not want to) to strengthen the links between different parts of the plot. I want my novel to have an old-fashioned adventure romance feel, and it still feels a bit too much about just "love & life", so I am bumping up the adventure parts. Still have to do a few sweeps of edits in Chapter 1 until I am ready to draft the second chapter. There are a few chapters in the outline still that I had not thought of content beyond a few sentences with the intention of "well, I need to make this much more interesting somehow".
I am really paranoid that the critique I will receive will be "the main character is kindda cool!" about the guy who's going to die in chapter 3. Which is a really weird feeling because nobody is going to read this stuff anyway beginning to end except for me.
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Post by Beerfish on Nov 1, 2017 14:51:02 GMT
Transition to past events: How do people go about this without it being clunky. In my story I have a narrator basically telling the story mixed with character dialogue and such.
I am at a point where I need to go back into the past to describe some happenings previous to the core part of the novel. (One character asks another charter how he came to be in the situation he is in.)
The amount of content will be maybe a chapter in length but I don't really just want to have one character tell the other how things went previously in his life but it also seems cumbersome to have the narrator step in, take over and describe the back history. I want the narrator to tell it because then I can describe it better its just transitioning form the talking characters to the narrator taking over that is delicate.
How would ya'll handle this?
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Transition to past events: How do people go about this without it being clunky. In my story I have a narrator basically telling the story mixed with character dialogue and such. I am at a point where I need to go back into the past to describe some happenings previous to the core part of the novel. (One character asks another charter how he came to be in the situation he is in.) The amount of content will be maybe a chapter in length but I don't really just want to have one character tell the other how things went previously in his life but it also seems cumbersome to have the narrator step in, take over and describe the back history. I want the narrator to tell it because then I can describe it better its just transitioning form the talking characters to the narrator taking over that is delicate. How would ya'll handle this? I don’t think it actually is going to be clunky to handle a flashback if it’s long enough if you create a scene that is conductive to the character to make a trip down the memory lane. Obviously if they are hanging over a fiery chasm and a horde of wild barbarians are throwing stones at them, it’s hardly a moment for one of them to regal another with his life-story. But if it is a lul in the events while they are waiting or travelling or have time for a vision, a chapter of memories or a “the Stranger’s Story” Is fine imo. I am actually more annoyed by people trying to strategically dump the lesser walls of italics in the body of the main narrative to handle the past events, particularly when they swap narrator and start going into the first person from the third.
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Post by Beerfish on Nov 1, 2017 16:08:49 GMT
Oh I have no issue with the scene itself, it fits in well with the character moreso the transition.
"So character A, tell me how did you come to be where you are?"
so I can either have character A take over the conversion and tell how he came to be how he is, but there is a fair bit of content and I can't add some back description of things that a narrator would give.
Thus I would like the narrator to handle that part but how can I interject the narrator into that spot in the middle of a conversation? That is clunky part.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 1, 2017 16:17:50 GMT
I would prefer the character who experienced events narrate it, and I want the descriptor context, that fits the voice of the rest of the story, so I would be happy as a reader as you would just do something like making the character who tells his story to start out as a dialogue, then give the scene to the narrator:
"So, I am here now, but I was born in a land of Wild tarantulas...."
Narrator, helpfully: "As The Guy from the Land of the Wild Tarantulas started telling his Life Story his voice turned wistful, and the Avid Listener could just imagine the Totally awesome Land he came from, and the Young Version playing with the baby tarantulas happily in the really big sand box they had built all over that land. Then, one day a big bad orangutan came hopping in---"
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Post by DomeWing333 on Nov 1, 2017 16:53:39 GMT
Oh I have no issue with the scene itself, it fits in well with the character moreso the transition. "So character A, tell me how did you come to be where you are?" so I can either have character A take over the conversion and tell how he came to be how he is, but there is a fair bit of content and I can't add some back description of things that a narrator would give. Thus I would like the narrator to handle that part but how can I interject the narrator into that spot in the middle of a conversation? That is clunky part. You can end a chapter with character A starting to recall the story in their mind (He looked down at his hands, etched with scars that echo the violence of those days. "Well..."), have the next chapter start in flashback mode with the narrator describing the past event, then snap back to present in the chapter after that with the other character reacting to A finishing up their story (Character B leaned back with a sigh, brows furrowed in a struggle to grasp what he had just heard. "Jesus...that...how are you alive?"). That would essentially create a sort of "flashback chapter" in place of the character themselves telling the story.
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Post by Beerfish on Nov 1, 2017 18:11:20 GMT
Oh I have no issue with the scene itself, it fits in well with the character moreso the transition. "So character A, tell me how did you come to be where you are?" so I can either have character A take over the conversion and tell how he came to be how he is, but there is a fair bit of content and I can't add some back description of things that a narrator would give. Thus I would like the narrator to handle that part but how can I interject the narrator into that spot in the middle of a conversation? That is clunky part. You can end a chapter with character A starting to recall the story in their mind (He down looked at his hands, etched with scars that echo the violence of those days. "Well..."), have the next chapter start in flashback mode with the narrator describing the past event, then snap back to present in the chapter after that with the other character reacting to A finishing up their story (Character B leaned back with a sigh, brows furrowed in a struggle to grasp what he had just heard. "Jesus...that...how are you alive?"). That would essentially create a sort of "flashback chapter" in place of the character themselves telling the story.
That's a great idea and will probably work.
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Post by Inosha T'Rynn on Nov 2, 2017 17:42:27 GMT
Almost done with a chapter in Sloane/Addison fic. Addison made me cry.
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