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Post by colfoley on Nov 21, 2017 20:04:56 GMT
I wasn't entirely sure if that was the enlightenment either After all the events of the 30 year war wasn't very 'enlightened'. It’s still an accurate period attribution. I think Spiders just say “inspired by the 17th century aesthetics” for Greedfall. And, well, I am struggling with Chapter 5. Thursday is coming though, and days off really help me to work on writing completely from scratch bits that I did not turn over in my head million times. One good thing about a Chapter 5 is that it makes another character’s role more sensible now, and gives her more appeal in my eyes, as she is more layered. layered characters are great characters
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2017 21:11:42 GMT
It’s still an accurate period attribution. I think Spiders just say “inspired by the 17th century aesthetics” for Greedfall. And, well, I am struggling with Chapter 5. Thursday is coming though, and days off really help me to work on writing completely from scratch bits that I did not turn over in my head million times. One good thing about a Chapter 5 is that it makes another character’s role more sensible now, and gives her more appeal in my eyes, as she is more layered. layered characters are great characters Well, as always this comes with the "if I say so myself" addendum. But it is getting easier to write this chapter with revised plotline and the hope that the developments in this chapter will make the character less of a 1D caricature. And, omg, tomorrow Chapter 1 is up for critique. Fingers crossed I get at least one with a chapter. If I get none, I might just have to write the whole thing in solitude, and then start asking for a Dedicated Reader, as the requests for a dedicated reader in the workshop requests for the whole thing to be ready.
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Post by colfoley on Nov 21, 2017 23:03:25 GMT
So in my own story i am also on Chapter 5. What this means though is i have now established all the major and minor major plotlines...which i think is a unique way of doing it.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2017 19:20:47 GMT
So in my own story i am also on Chapter 5. What this means though is i have now established all the major and minor major plotlines...which i think is a unique way of doing it. Ha-ha, you will overtake me in no time. The last of my major characters does not appear till Chapter 7. Not ideal, I guess. But oh, well. First try at a novel, after all.
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Post by colfoley on Nov 24, 2017 7:54:46 GMT
Interesting bit of writing perspective for everyone. Whilst writing my own story I was having a case of near-writers block. Not certain on how exactly to solve an issue so I extend a scene trying to figure it out but being really slow about it, still writing, so not actual writers block...just close. Anyways so character A is trying to convince Character B to join their organization, that was the premise of the scene I was having trouble with. But everything about having character A being the instigator of this action just came off as incredibly cliche and hollow. The solution I found to make Character B the instigator, after all Character A wants them to join the organization so the simple solution, but quite briliant for that, is to have character B go 'why should I...justify it to me.' And thus, everything should fall into place (haven't actually finished writing the scene yet).
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2017 13:13:24 GMT
It’s nice when things like that happen, when you find a workaround.
I was pleasantly surprised to receive three pieces of critique so far on my first chapter. They essentially told me the same thing I was worried about, and that it takes too long for the things to start happening. But I do need the background. So, I am pondering if I should do:
a) have a spoiler alert sort of opening: Tien Lyn, the future Demon Empress, had no idea that this would be the day shit hit the fan... then hope it’s enough for peeps to be intrigued enough to want to know about the setting. OR b.) start with the events in chapter 2, when the characters are waiting to know their fate, and drop chapter 1 as a flashback at the point they flee the estate.
I put a pin in that and noted it in the newly started document with notes for Draft 2.
And, well, another thing is, since I did nothing on Chapter 5 yesterday between the chores and the game I was playing, if I am serious about finishing my novel, I need to cut back on gaming. It’s the same story again. One hobby at a time, two cannot be maintained properly.
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Post by DragonRacer on Nov 24, 2017 15:39:27 GMT
Good progress on my writing group's second short story anthology. Everyone has finished first drafts - including my own two story contributions - and we are beginning peer review/edits.
I also need to get off my duff and write the Foreword. LOL
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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2017 14:54:09 GMT
Pushed through to finish the first draft of Chapter 5. I am glad it is roughed in, but the editing is going to be extensive. I did not struggle with the language the way I did in Chapter 3, but there is a few things I wanted to work in, and they did not get enough exposition, or were too short or unclear.
It also came shorter than 3K words at 2.7K, but I need to make sure that I stay closer to the 3-3.5K words per chapter in order to meet the 50K words minimum for a novella length piece all together.
I think I will have to edit Chapters 3 through 5 while trying to put together Chapter 6 in my head. For one, I am not sure which character's POV it is going to be, because I want to try to narrate it from one PoV. Lady Mother in my story might be the best candidate since she can interact with and introduce the new character who is coming on board and who relates Chapter 7 (already written as a short story) and with her Lady Daughter (who was a narrator in Chapters 1-3) but that will be the only chapter from her PoV and I have no handle on her voice. Initially, I wanted the New Character to narrate it, but I dunno. I guess, I should just try to turn it over in my head some more until it makes sense to me.
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Post by colfoley on Nov 26, 2017 19:48:03 GMT
I think the one thing I am doing much better in book 2 is actually applying the lessons I have learned about writing from some of my favorites. Martin, Flint, JMS, Abrams.
Today's lesson I really remembered, and something I have just realized because of a new addition to book 2 I have been working on in my head (haven't put it on paper yet even) is about true diversity. Something I really love about the works of JMS/ Babylon 5 and Dragon Age is what I call 'true diversity'. A lot of authors and big corporations put in a lot of different types of people but it often feels like they are filling a quota. Now this can still work, afterall there are no rules in writing popular fiction only guidlines, but it can also fail miserably to. But something I really admired about B5 is how JMS diversified everything and was never too judgemental. For every good religious figure, there was a bad one, for every good government official there was an evil one, for every good politician there was a bad one. And Dragon Age does the same thing most of the time. This is what I feel writers should aim for. Not filling quotas but reminding people we are all, at the end of the day, individuals capable of being anything despite what labels we put on ourselves, and society puts on us.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2017 13:39:27 GMT
...and I am hitting another one of those "it's terrible, I should not write it, I will never get to 50K words anyway" periods. Heh. I am tired of those, despite being geared with the "so what?" against each end every one of those statements, because, really who cares either way, so might as well write it.
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Post by colfoley on Nov 28, 2017 2:25:17 GMT
...and I am hitting another one of those "it's terrible, I should not write it, I will never get to 50K words anyway" periods. Heh. I am tired of those, despite being geared with the "so what?" against each end every one of those statements, because, really who cares either way, so might as well write it. *gibbs slaps* well cut it out. You can do it. Just keep going, one step in front of the other, one word, down to the letters if you have to!
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...and I am hitting another one of those "it's terrible, I should not write it, I will never get to 50K words anyway" periods. Heh. I am tired of those, despite being geared with the "so what?" against each end every one of those statements, because, really who cares either way, so might as well write it. *gibbs slaps* well cut it out. You can do it. Just keep going, one step in front of the other, one word, down to the letters if you have to! Thank you Editing Chapters 3-5 for now, but trying to put together different ways to write Chapter 6 in my head. There is a paragraph in chapter 3 that fights me. As a single dump of a dialogue it is too long, and feels like lecturing. If the second character tries to talk with Finch, it looks artificial. If I just break his speech into few separate sentences without body language ets descriptions, it looks odd. And overall, i don’t like it. I think I might just cut out a bunch of it and leave it at one line, and let the rest be said elsewhere or stay in my background notes.
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Post by colfoley on Nov 29, 2017 20:01:06 GMT
*gibbs slaps* well cut it out. You can do it. Just keep going, one step in front of the other, one word, down to the letters if you have to! Thank you Editing Chapters 3-5 for now, but trying to put together different ways to write Chapter 6 in my head. There is a paragraph in chapter 3 that fights me. As a single dump of a dialogue it is too long, and feels like lecturing. If the second character tries to talk with Finch, it looks artificial. If I just break his speech into few separate sentences without body language ets descriptions, it looks odd. And overall, i don’t like it. I think I might just cut out a bunch of it and leave it at one line, and let the rest be said elsewhere or stay in my background notes. have you ever tried breaking long speeches into multiple paragraphs? That way you can have long speeches but break them up to make them easier on the eyes.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2017 20:17:57 GMT
Thank you Editing Chapters 3-5 for now, but trying to put together different ways to write Chapter 6 in my head. There is a paragraph in chapter 3 that fights me. As a single dump of a dialogue it is too long, and feels like lecturing. If the second character tries to talk with Finch, it looks artificial. If I just break his speech into few separate sentences without body language ets descriptions, it looks odd. And overall, i don’t like it. I think I might just cut out a bunch of it and leave it at one line, and let the rest be said elsewhere or stay in my background notes. have you ever tried breaking long speeches into multiple paragraphs? That way you can have long speeches but break them up to make them easier on the eyes. That’s what it was and it looked very odd. I rewrote it more conversationally, but I will need to come back, and try to look at him, and see the way he is when he talks in non-trivial, non-repetitive way. EDIT: on the upside I figured out how to avoid a serious breach of the genre I've picked (the light adventure romp) and still move the plot forward. It is not as realistic as my previous plan was, but using a plot device fits way better with the genre conventions. So, I am going with it.
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Post by Inosha T'Rynn on Nov 30, 2017 21:26:06 GMT
Working on 3 satelliting chapters of Melody of Fools (Sloane/Addison) longfic. Got the toughest one partially written and now need to bridge it to the rest of the story. Ironing side plot ideas and wondering if they are worth including or just write them as one-shots. These two are sort of changing the dynamic of this ship in a good but unexpected direction. Got a preview back from the artist I hired for fanart for this story and I think they worked over the artist too. There's so much more emotion to this pairing than I anticipated. I heart all of it.
Working on a Keri T'Vessa one shot. Giving her some teeth is fun. I don't like the idea of her just being glued to her HNS role, but actually having multiple dimensions as a person. Her relationship with Alex is so sappy.
Might put that down to finish a few third person re-writes of Breathless (Keri/FemRyder), Truth Hurts (Keri/FemRyder), Demons Cast Their Arrows (Keri/FemRyder), and may finally pick up Brave New Worlds (Keri/FemRyder) for a third person rewrite and continuation.
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Post by colfoley on Dec 1, 2017 8:27:53 GMT
I have been having a devil of a time trying to write the last couple of days. Finding the time.
But here is an amazing video on writing I found recently to share with everyone.
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I have been having a devil of a time trying to write the last couple of days. Finding the time. But here is an amazing video on writing I found recently to share with everyone. o] It’s a busy time of the year. I was able to get through a lot of editing, and did more workshop participation b/c my first chapter was commented on more than I expected. Still have one 5K story I want to read through and comment on. I think once I get through this sweep of Chapter 5, I will start writing the 6th. 6th is from scratch, then 7 th is a re-edit of the former short story. 8 and 9 are new, but they are both very clear in my mind. The 8 was supposed to be the next short story, and 9th is the first time I am writing a POV of my “author’s darling” character, so I am curious how his voice is going to sound. Given that all of his chapters are supernatural, I think I am going to have fun. Or I might hate it.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 4, 2017 15:37:03 GMT
Okay, this is an insane contest, given how close to the deadline this is (2 months for a 100K words interactive novel) but I just wanted to post it for those who are prolific: www.choiceofgames.com/contest/
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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2017 17:41:45 GMT
I did not quite finish the re-editing of Chapter 5, but I could not keep containing the beginning of Chapter 6 in my head, so I typed out about a page of it. Not happy with a couple of things, and I need to push to the next plot node, but I am happy I did *something*. I do know that if I wait for time and space to write I won't ever, but I could use at least a tinsy bit of time & space just now. All kinds of respect to prolific writers who can put out the tens of thousands of words...
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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2017 14:50:43 GMT
Did a bit more writing of Chapter 6, and while I was at it, I started seeing a way to make another link for the PoV character with the magic and the mages, which in turn fine-tuned the role of the main character. I wrote down these ideas in the outline and found the placement for the reveals for now. I am not sure if the ideas are worth using because I am afraid that there could be too many connections and explanations of absolutely everything so it becomes too convoluted.
Also, I can see how I can take a part of my novel and rework then into an interactive novel. While that contest is not in the cards for me since I can hardly write this fast, I can certainly see myself as being able to write a Hosted Game entry for the new writers. As a modder in the past I am used to writing in a dialogue script with handling & tracking multiple choices & working for a male or female protagonist. So, this is an attractive idea for me.
But, on the other hand, I feel like an idiot if I just abandon my current project, and start a new one & ChoiceScript they want me to use, well, I don' know if I can use it on my tablet that I use for a lot of my writing. Anyway, once I have my days off I will check out the scripter & decide. I don't think someone with my level of English could publish, but that's a chance to at least present my writing to erm... someone openly.
Then again, if I finish the novel, I will have a far easier time borrowing descriptions, events and characters, plus I put on Critters on which ones were at least marginally interesting to others. So, yes, probably better to stay focused, but maybe write down the ideas and plans for the interactive version as I go.
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Post by HYR on Dec 11, 2017 7:39:48 GMT
Playing ME:Andromeda, I've gotten the itch/inspiration to write again (fanfic)! 'Only thing is, I'm bad at it. I consider myself a pretty strong writer in general, just not at fiction/stories. It would probably help if I read more fiction on my own time (lol). Anyway, my idea involves "connecting" my canons from ME Trilogy and ME:A (I'd call it a crossover, but I'm not sure if that's technically correct -- same series). I actually had a bunch of ME fanfic ideas that I shelved after I exhausted playing ME3 which come into play here. It'll probably suck, but...
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Post by Inosha T'Rynn on Dec 12, 2017 20:28:49 GMT
Worked a bit on my ME:A holiday fic with working title of Sloane For The Holidays. Yes, it's exactly how it sounds. So far, Addison is getting my best comedy and I love every minute of it. Playing around a lot with Sloane in this one.
Worked a bit on Breathless rewrite (Alex/Keri) and have decided to make Keri my sandbox character. So fun to play with her.
Melody of Fools (Sloane/Addison) is on pause until after the holidays, but I do have some ideas for Chapter 12 and 13. Oh and I got the art back for this one. I will post it up I think in Sloane's romance thread. I already broke Tumblr with it. Yes, it's SFW.
Biotics Brawn and Being (Liara/Korynn), (Jack/Miranda) is also on pause for now, but did a few dialogue sprints that will get a third person rewrite after some new ones are published.
Truth Hurts (Keri/Alex) third person rewrite is also on pause for now until two Lexi fics are done.
Started a few one shots:
Demons Cast Their Arrows (Keri/Alex) which will discuss Alex's dark past as well as her struggle with combat PTSD. Giving her character a chance to stretch and adding some meat to her relationship with Keri. Also adding some abrasiveness to Keri's relationship with Davis.
Risks And Rewards - Working title (Lexi/Casey Ryder). Shameless romance that a friend requested. Having fun playing with Lexi's character. Depending on how this goes, this might turn into another long fic, but not quite as intense as Melody of Fools.
Games We Play (Alex/Keri). Alex is a competent Adept, but she's still young and new and has a few things to learn, even from just an ordinary person who is barely a century. Another one where I am playing with Keri's character. Do like the idea of putting Keri in armor and giving her more dimensions.
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Finished the critique for the week for the Critters. I decided to only read one story this week, so I stop being distracted by it, and focus on finishing the Chapter 6. I am stalling. I am really stalling. I know that, and I am not sure why. I keep adding more to the later chapters' outline, but won't write chapter 6. Self-sabotage?
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