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Post by jayrain on Jul 12, 2017 19:35:11 GMT
In terms of the "in" thing, I think if we gear our writing toward trends we'll always be a step or two behind. One thing that never goes out of style, however, is a well-written story. Many of the character deaths that stuck with me did so because I either a)became very attached to the character because they were so compelling (I'll never get over Hazel in Watership Down. Ever.) or because of how they affected another character and that character's reaction to the death; and overall, those deaths happened in stories that were well-written in and of themselves. You're absolutely write about different ways to create narrative tension; sometimes, leaving a character alive can add to that even more than killing them off. Compelling stories really are all about good characters and well-paced narrative tensions. It's always a tricky balance to find.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2017 19:55:44 GMT
Id love to get something published one day, I write almost every day I have sooooooo much stuff on my pc My biggest problem is confidence I guess, Ive rarely shown anyone my work, at all, and in stuff like rps I kinda decrease the quality of what I do on purpose so no one actually gets to read how I actually write... sounds stupid, but I dont like showing people... letting people read my work I find is quite an intimate thing and idk
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Post by DomeWing333 on Jul 12, 2017 19:56:12 GMT
I don't do much writing on my own, but I enjoy brainstorming about characters, scenarios, and dialogue. The actual prose and world-building is what I'm more iffy on (I tend to be minimalist and small-scale). I think I'd probably make a better editor than I would a writer.
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Post by colfoley on Jul 12, 2017 20:09:31 GMT
In terms of the "in" thing, I think if we gear our writing toward trends we'll always be a step or two behind. One thing that never goes out of style, however, is a well-written story. Many of the character deaths that stuck with me did so because I either a)became very attached to the character because they were so compelling (I'll never get over Hazel in Watership Down. Ever.) or because of how they affected another character and that character's reaction to the death; and overall, those deaths happened in stories that were well-written in and of themselves. You're absolutely write about different ways to create narrative tension; sometimes, leaving a character alive can add to that even more than killing them off. Compelling stories really are all about good characters and well-paced narrative tensions. It's always a tricky balance to find. probably but in the end i suppose it matters if you want to sell your work. Afterall I've heard from several different writers if you want to be a writer...read (or play games) to see what sells.
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Post by Draining Dragon on Jul 12, 2017 20:14:49 GMT
I don't do much writing on my own, but I enjoy brainstorming about characters, scenarios, and dialogue. The actual prose and world-building is what I'm more iffy on (I tend to be minimalist and small-scale). I think I'd probably make a better editor than I would a writer. I'm very similar. I like thinking of characters and situations but I have a hard time stringing it together to make a coherent story or world. On the other hand, I consider myself to be very good at identifying weak areas and suggesting improvements to things other people have written.
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Post by jayrain on Jul 12, 2017 20:29:13 GMT
Id love to get something published one day, I write almost every day I have sooooooo much stuff on my pc My biggest problem is confidence I guess, Ive rarely shown anyone my work, at all, and in stuff like rps I kinda decrease the quality of what I do on purpose so no one actually gets to read how I actually write... sounds stupid, but I dont like showing people... letting people read my work I find is quite an intimate thing and idk Confidence is definitely an issue. It's a double-edged sword in a sense because writing really is so intimate and is such a part of the writer. We put so much of ourselves into it that it can be hard to pull away and distance ourselves to the point where we can take criticism of the writing as not being criticism of ourselves personally. My first workshop in grad school, I nearly dropped out. I felt so out of place and didn't know why I was bothering, and felt like I was worthless as a writer. It didn't happen overnight, but I did start to overcome a lot of that and try to be more objective and realize that critique of my writing wasn't a value judgement of me as a person. It's definitely hard to find someone to trust with your work. When my mom wanted to read my thesis I nearly died inside (and I was an adult!) but if I ended up publishing it she would have read it anyway. And that was the thesis-- the final-as-it-was-going-to-get-to-graduate draft, not even the rough drafts. I think it's a process overall, and processes are best tackled in small steps. Start with small goals and recognize your successes. Find people that you can trust. Read writing craft books. In terms of giving and accepting feedback, I found Joni Cole's "Toxic Feedback" to be a complete game changer. Also sometimes getting over that first threshold is the hardest. The first workshop, the first rejection letter, the first troll or hater on your fic. All in all, writing is a process, and all processes have steps
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2017 20:59:09 GMT
Id love to get something published one day, I write almost every day I have sooooooo much stuff on my pc My biggest problem is confidence I guess, Ive rarely shown anyone my work, at all, and in stuff like rps I kinda decrease the quality of what I do on purpose so no one actually gets to read how I actually write... sounds stupid, but I dont like showing people... letting people read my work I find is quite an intimate thing and idk Confidence is definitely an issue. It's a double-edged sword in a sense because writing really is so intimate and is such a part of the writer. We put so much of ourselves into it that it can be hard to pull away and distance ourselves to the point where we can take criticism of the writing as not being criticism of ourselves personally. My first workshop in grad school, I nearly dropped out. I felt so out of place and didn't know why I was bothering, and felt like I was worthless as a writer. It didn't happen overnight, but I did start to overcome a lot of that and try to be more objective and realize that critique of my writing wasn't a value judgement of me as a person. It's definitely hard to find someone to trust with your work. When my mom wanted to read my thesis I nearly died inside (and I was an adult!) but if I ended up publishing it she would have read it anyway. And that was the thesis-- the final-as-it-was-going-to-get-to-graduate draft, not even the rough drafts. I think it's a process overall, and processes are best tackled in small steps. Start with small goals and recognize your successes. Find people that you can trust. Read writing craft books. In terms of giving and accepting feedback, I found Joni Cole's "Toxic Feedback" to be a complete game changer. Also sometimes getting over that first threshold is the hardest. The first workshop, the first rejection letter, the first troll or hater on your fic. All in all, writing is a process, and all processes have steps
It isnt that I dont want to be criticized, im very open to criticism of my work Ive always said that Id rather someone criticize it than compliment it, in cases like this I like to be told what ive done wrong so I can improve and be better
But youre right when you say that writers put a lot of themselves into their writing... I dont put lots of who I am or what I think into my work, more the opposite actually, most of my characters are veeerrryyyy different to me, but I put a lot of my passion and my creativity into it, and its that part of me which Im not a big fan of letting people see, just the act of seeing it is something which makes me uncomfortable, its like opening yourself up and leaving yourself exposed in many ways, like what goes on inside your head its just all there written down
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Post by smilesja on Jul 12, 2017 21:04:14 GMT
Id love to get something published one day, I write almost every day I have sooooooo much stuff on my pc My biggest problem is confidence I guess, Ive rarely shown anyone my work, at all, and in stuff like rps I kinda decrease the quality of what I do on purpose so no one actually gets to read how I actually write... sounds stupid, but I dont like showing people... letting people read my work I find is quite an intimate thing and idk We're still waiting for you to write in three RPs.
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Post by BamBam the Destroyer on Jul 12, 2017 21:30:53 GMT
I write technical papers for a living. Does that count?
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Post by colfoley on Jul 12, 2017 22:55:44 GMT
I write technical papers for a living. Does that count? not entirely.
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Post by BamBam the Destroyer on Jul 12, 2017 23:10:46 GMT
Id love to get something published one day, I write almost every day I have sooooooo much stuff on my pc My biggest problem is confidence I guess, Ive rarely shown anyone my work, at all, and in stuff like rps I kinda decrease the quality of what I do on purpose so no one actually gets to read how I actually write... sounds stupid, but I dont like showing people... letting people read my work I find is quite an intimate thing and idk I'd love to see some of your work.
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Post by jayrain on Jul 12, 2017 23:22:16 GMT
I write technical papers for a living. Does that count? It's still writing. I write up a lot of the new SOPs at my job (and edit the old ones as time allows) and while it's not very creative, I like revising sentences and steps for flow and consistency between write-ups. Whether it's technical or fiction, with writing we're trying to communicate something.
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Post by Psy on Jul 13, 2017 1:00:48 GMT
i've never written anything but poetry, but i'd like to try my hand at fanfiction GeneralXIV you should share!
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Post by DragonRacer on Jul 13, 2017 1:34:57 GMT
Awww, this is a fun thread. I've been a writer for a long time now, but a lot of my struggle is: 1. Finishing a damn story (usually a mix of lacking time or, when time is available, lacking motivation and/or being distracted by the shinies like gaming). 2. Getting bunches of ideas and being pulled in too many different directions by them (thus, contributing to # 1). 3. Occasionally suffering that self-confidence thing or envisioning how your work might possibly be criticized/piss off other people to the point of not wanting to bother anymore. Or feeling like your work/ideas are too similar or have already been done before by "better" authors, so why bother? Even though, in reality, there is nothing new under the sun so one shouldn't let that be a roadblock. But you just gotta push through it. I often have to remind myself that I write because I enjoy it and write for myself first. Even if I never show it to another soul, I do it because I enjoy it. Then, if I feel like it has potential, I can think about editing/polishing it and setting it free to the world. I have written some Dragon Age fanfic here: Fanfiction.net It's largely gone on hiatus for now as I concentrate on original projects, but fanfiction is a dirty pleasure of mine. I also worked together with a group in 2015/2016 that decided to do a short story anthology and self-publish it. This was the first serious writing venture I dove into after Mom's suicide back in 2012. When she died, I stopped writing altogether for a very long time. It was like it was sucked out of me during my grief and for years after. A friend of mine knew this about me and reached out to see if I wanted to give it a shot with her group, and I figured that if I could manage a short story, maybe I could start back to work on my novel and fanfics again. I managed two short stories - a sci-fi ("What Makes A Man") and a fantasy ("The Lady and the Dragon"), and I also tackled writing the foreword. You can find the info in this thread, which also provides a link to download the whole anthology for free: So, I helped write a thing and maybe you'll like it...Currently, I'm engaged in a little bit different writing right now. A former BioWare dev who is a friend of mine is making their own indie game and approached me to see if I'd be interested in filling in some of the world lore with lore books for an in-game library, in a similar sort of style like the lore books in The Elder Scrolls series. I was in love with the idea and love reading game lore books and codices, so I'm currently working on that at the moment (as well as helping with editing the dialogues and such). Concurrently, DragonScript - that writing group I joined for the "New Beginnings" short story anthology - just agreed to gear up for a second anthology, so I'll be working on two more short stories to contribute for that. A few writing motivationals that are very true and should be kept in mind for everybody:
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Post by jayrain on Jul 13, 2017 2:20:48 GMT
Awesome stuff! Those are great motivators. I used to want to publish and to be a novelist. But as time went on I realized I didn't want to rely on writing to pay my bills; I didn't want it to become something I resented and felt pressured to do. While the focus of my grad program was on publication, I used to be an English teacher, and getting a master's in writing gave me the opportunity to start teaching college classes. Right now I focus largely on DA fanfiction, and am pretty content with it. I love the world, love how I can work with the lore and the characters, and just overall enjoy writing for the joy of it.
I'm over on fanfiction.net and Archive of Our Own as JayRain. I write primarily Dragon Age, but have dabbled in MCU stuff a bit as well. Sometimes I think about going back to my original world, but so much has changed about how I see the characters and how I want to change up the plotting and the world building and know I still have a lot of thinking to do. Either that, or I just need to be done with it and try something new. We'll see; I'm not really in any rush (unless you count finishing the current DA fic I'm working on, because I have the NEXT one also percolating and want to write that as well-- and I feel bad for leaving the last one on a cliffhanger.)
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Post by BamBam the Destroyer on Jul 13, 2017 2:26:12 GMT
I write technical papers for a living. Does that count? It's still writing. I write up a lot of the new SOPs at my job (and edit the old ones as time allows) and while it's not very creative, I like revising sentences and steps for flow and consistency between write-ups. Whether it's technical or fiction, with writing we're trying to communicate something. I write protocols and summary reports for pharma validation. *puffs chest* It's a living.
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Post by Inquisitor Recon on Jul 13, 2017 2:37:01 GMT
It's probably a good thing I haven't taken to writing my fanfiction ideas.
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Post by colfoley on Jul 13, 2017 4:12:16 GMT
For me, I write both original and fanfiction stories, but they're mostly one shots and short series that are 5-7 chapters. Some of my recent fanfics are Dragon Age related, because I like writing about my created characters and expanding their stories beyond the main game. A couple problems I run into sometimes are losing interest in a story and the ever dreaded writer's block. Like I'll have a bunch of ideas and scenarios visualized in my mind, but when it comes to putting them down on a pages document, I blank out. However, there are a few "in the moment" instances where a story idea pops into my head at say.. 3:30am in the morning, and I'm lying in bed writing on my phone, because I don't want to forget that idea. best advice on writers block is to just write. I know easier said then done because writers block took me out for an hour and a half the other day. But if you just squeeze deep and force it out the words sometimes just start flowing. A trickle at first. And then a tsunami.
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Post by warrior on Jul 13, 2017 7:38:38 GMT
For me, I write both original and fanfiction stories, but they're mostly one shots and short series that are 5-7 chapters. Some of my recent fanfics are Dragon Age related, because I like writing about my created characters and expanding their stories beyond the main game. A couple problems I run into sometimes are losing interest in a story and the ever dreaded writer's block. Like I'll have a bunch of ideas and scenarios visualized in my mind, but when it comes to putting them down on a pages document, I blank out. However, there are a few "in the moment" instances where a story idea pops into my head at say.. 3:30am in the morning, and I'm lying in bed writing on my phone, because I don't want to forget that idea. best advice on writers block is to just write. I know easier said then done because writers block took me out for an hour and a half the other day. But if you just squeeze deep and force it out the words sometimes just start flowing. A trickle at first. And then a tsunami. Something else that's helpful is a website blocking device like SelfControl. You can use it to "blacklist" social media and other distracting sites while still being connected, so you can still google and research things for whatever you're writing without being tempted to also "just check" twitter and "just check" Facebook and "just check" instagram...I've also recently had to add these forums to my blacklist, lol. When I have writers block, or am just stuck in the middle of writing something, I tend to find myself venturing over to twitter and FB more often because I'm procrastinating and avoiding the challenge/frustration, so it's helped me stay focused and face whatever I'm finding difficult.
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Post by colfoley on Jul 13, 2017 7:45:01 GMT
best advice on writers block is to just write. I know easier said then done because writers block took me out for an hour and a half the other day. But if you just squeeze deep and force it out the words sometimes just start flowing. A trickle at first. And then a tsunami. Something else that's helpful is a website blocking device like SelfControl. You can use it to "blacklist" social media and other distracting sites while still being connected, so you can still google and research things for whatever you're writing without being tempted to also "just check" twitter and "just check" Facebook and "just check" instagram...I've also recently had to add these forums to my blacklist, lol. When I have writers block, or am just stuck in the middle of writing something, I tend to find myself venturing over to twitter and FB more often because I'm procrastinating and avoiding the challenge/frustration, so it's helped me stay focused and face whatever I'm finding difficult. I know this is probably just me but sometimes I feel like a quick gander at social media helps clear the mind. Resets the synapsis. Its like being stuck on a really hard game and then you leave it for a month or two and then come back to it...you beat the game...but this is only a minute or two. Granted sometimes I can get sucked into social media, so I don't recommend it for everything. But sometimes it does work.
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Post by warrior on Jul 13, 2017 7:52:00 GMT
Something else that's helpful is a website blocking device like SelfControl. You can use it to "blacklist" social media and other distracting sites while still being connected, so you can still google and research things for whatever you're writing without being tempted to also "just check" twitter and "just check" Facebook and "just check" instagram...I've also recently had to add these forums to my blacklist, lol. When I have writers block, or am just stuck in the middle of writing something, I tend to find myself venturing over to twitter and FB more often because I'm procrastinating and avoiding the challenge/frustration, so it's helped me stay focused and face whatever I'm finding difficult. I know this is probably just me but sometimes I feel like a quick gander at social media helps clear the mind. Resets the synapsis. Its like being stuck on a really hard game and then you leave it for a month or two and then come back to it...you beat the game...but this is only a minute or two. Granted sometimes I can get sucked into social media, so I don't recommend it for everything. But sometimes it does work. I have a friend who does this too. Some people can do it and some people can't... I can very easily fall into a twitter K-hole especially, so for me a quick look is rarely ever quick.
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Post by walkeroflonelyroads on Jul 13, 2017 13:41:38 GMT
Hey all.
Out of curiosity, how many words per chapter is considered "acceptable?" I've read fanfics that were word-heavy and they sometimes feel too much of a struggle to read, and yet some books (e.g. Tom Clancy's Jack Ryan series) can go on for pages and I'm still able to keep up with the flow.
Is it because some authors are too descriptive of the events/environment/characters' actions within the chapter? Again, in Clancy's Ryan series, he sometimes describes the technical aspects of various military hardware, which should be boring, but instead add to the overall story, the immersion.
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Post by jayrain on Jul 13, 2017 13:42:28 GMT
I can get pretty easily distracted by both my social media and by research (one thing leads to another, leads to another...) But right now I'm not on any real scheduled with my work. I do want to get through the first draft of my latest fic, and I have good ideas about where it's all going. But sometimes I do need a quick break to reset my brain. When it comes to writer's block, I usually like to do something that's completely not writing-related. I do the adult coloring book thing (which is creative, but the line work is already done so I can just fill it in), listen to music, watch a movie, read a book, play a game. That also helps reset things, so the ideas start flowing again. I also write out of order. I used to think I had to write entirely in order and I'd have great ideas for a scene that happened much later on, and I'd be stuck at how to get there. If I did get there, I resented everything I'd written up to that point, because that scene was nowhere near as good as it had been in my mind days or weeks or months ago, and it was the fault of all that preceding stuff. So I started just writing as things came to me, saving with a good file name and in a good folder (organization is paramount for this method!) and then I'd eventually be able to continue. Paste it in, smooth some edges, good to go It's not for everyone, but it definitely helps me because usually when I have writer's block, what I really have is an idea that comes later on that needs to get down first.
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Post by jayrain on Jul 13, 2017 13:51:55 GMT
Hey all. Out of curiosity, how many words per chapter is considered "acceptable?" I've read fanfics that were word-heavy and they sometimes feel too much of a struggle to read, and yet some books (e.g. Tom Clancy's Jack Ryan series) can go on for pages and I'm still able to keep up with the flow. Is it because some authors are too descriptive of the events/environment/characters' actions within the chapter? Again, in Clancy's Ryan series, he sometimes describes the technical aspects of various military hardware, which should be boring, but instead add to the overall story, the immersion. This question comes up in a lot of writing groups I'm in, and the answer really varies depending on the story and the writer. For me, personally, my chapters average 2000-3500 words, but that's just my average, and sometimes go below that or above it depending. For me, a chapter is a collection of scenes that has a goal in mind that ends up contributing to the overall story. There's a particular event that happens, or something that changes the character, or a decision that needs to be made. I think so much really depends on the author, and what they're working to accomplish in each chapter. One fic author I read has chapters that range from 6-10k words each, and it's because they're using the chapter to focus on one large chunk of the character's life and development at a time. Personally, I write and prefer overall to read shorter chapters that can be read in a sitting; like, hey, I have a bit of time before I have to get somewhere so I'll just read a chapter.
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Post by Verfallen on Jul 13, 2017 14:02:37 GMT
Hey all. Out of curiosity, how many words per chapter is considered "acceptable?" I've read fanfics that were word-heavy and they sometimes feel too much of a struggle to read, and yet some books (e.g. Tom Clancy's Jack Ryan series) can go on for pages and I'm still able to keep up with the flow. Is it because some authors are too descriptive of the events/environment/characters' actions within the chapter? Again, in Clancy's Ryan series, he sometimes describes the technical aspects of various military hardware, which should be boring, but instead add to the overall story, the immersion. I don't think there's a set rule for chapter length. Most writers manage to work something out that feels right for the piece they're working on, or falls within the parameters of a "normal" chapter for that kind of work, but it's not an exact science. And it's not just fanfic that can go on and on. I still remember the exact circumstances when I quit reading Anne Rice forever -- I was near the beginning of one of her vampire novels and she was going on for pages with a lengthy purple-prose-ish description of some utterly unremarkable scenery until I felt like my brain might start bleeding. Rather than throw the book across the room, I simply closed it and never went back. Short answer - some writers are simply better at writing engaging description than others, and this includes knowing when to stop describing something. Save
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