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Post by B. Hieronymus Da on Aug 5, 2017 23:33:49 GMT
How do you folks go about doing research? Say you have a character that's into guns or you have to describe the condition of a corpse and you're not too sure a flag won't go up on so.e FBI computer when you suddenly start Googling disturbing and specific questions. Do you turn to a local college or just fire up a proxy server or what? First of all, while I hope that people at least try to get things right, they also routinely fail, and are always going to get some things wrong. And few people notice. A writer can't possibly get everything right. There are always going to be people who will be able to put together "Everything That is Wrong With...". So that shouldn't be a measure of failure. That said. It depends on what you need to research. We live in the age of disinformation, but there is also good material out there. For environment, consider using 'Street View' in Google Map or Google Earth. It's an amazing tool to visit far away locations. For technical details, consider trying to find Youtube channels. But I mean the hands-on, practical videos. Many of those are good. While there are also tons of disinformation videos, where some dude is trying to convince you of his own persuasion/wishful thinking. People doing things, using things, showing you = often good. People telling you, while showing irrelevant, stolen pictures/videoclips as background = disinformation & clueless fanboys. Regarding crime technologies: Most, many writers intentionally use false information. The purpose is to not help criminals. A few examples: It was long an established writers lie that cell phones "couldn't be traced". That lie was an enormous help for FBI for many years, since the reality is the exact opposite. Another long time myth was that you could make an explosive by mixing fertilizer with diesel fuel. Every kid knew this, and yet none of them could. And terrorists have mostly been forced to rely on TATP (extremely dangerous, >200 bombmakers have blown up, though Timothy McVeigh and Anders Breivik did indeed use fertilizer bombs.) That is because it's not quite that easy to make explosives. Unfortunately the cat seems to be out of the bag now, but I'm still not going to spill the details here. Anyway, it's not necessary to have accurate information regarding killing people, alarm systems etc. On the contrary, follow the Hollywood bullshit.
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Post by Qui-Gon GlenN7 on Aug 5, 2017 23:40:37 GMT
Please, for the love of God, do not do Hollywood bullshit.
If you want to be Holden Caulfield's whore of a brother and pimp yourself for easy credit chits, kssshhhk whatever. If you want to write something that stands, do the research or be creative. Do not copy & paste what Hollywood does - what Hollywood does is shit, and since I work in Hollywood that is my underpriced 2c.
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Post by B. Hieronymus Da on Aug 6, 2017 0:00:29 GMT
Please, for the love of God, do not do Hollywood bullshit. If you want to be Holden Caulfield's whore of a brother and pimp yourself for easy credit chits, kssshhhk whatever. If you want to write something that stands, do the research or be creative. Do not copy & paste what Hollywood does - what Hollywood does is shit, and since I work in Hollywood that is my underpriced 2c. Umm, yeah, I agree. My point was rather that you do not need to be technically accurate regarding killing people, fraud etc.
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Post by Qui-Gon GlenN7 on Aug 6, 2017 0:18:32 GMT
I forgot to say how phony Hollywood is.... The one word that expresses the exact sentiment we currently discuss. Salinger was an exceptional writer, and Holden's "arc" was an adventure for me that has hardly diminished in subsequent readings despite my years. Only Huxley and Tolkien stand as highly in my regard. Like Beerfish, I have a couple screenplays and at least a good short story fairly fleshed out in my mind's eye, even a couple of outlines... But ass to seat is a real issue. As usual, PEBKAC.
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Post by Lady Artifice on Sept 8, 2017 4:11:39 GMT
Amen to that, regardless.
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Post by walkeroflonelyroads on Sept 8, 2017 15:00:37 GMT
A question that has been bothering me for a while now, with respect to the above posts about accuracy in a work of fiction:
If, say, you'd written well into the story (say halfway or even three-quarters of the way through), then you go back to your earlier chapters and realize, with a growing sense of horror, you overlooked a small but critical piece of the story that had a glaring discrepancy, what would you do?
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Post by Beerfish on Sept 8, 2017 15:51:54 GMT
Two options, a major rewrite to make sure the earlier stuff include what it is supposed to or making changes to the latter part of the book to accommodate what you set up near the beginning. Keep thimnking about the issue and you may find a way to use the error/vagueness earlier on to work in your favor. (ie plot twist)
Without knowing specifics though it is tough to give advise on this one.
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Post by Lady Artifice on Sept 8, 2017 18:17:06 GMT
A question that has been bothering me for a while now, with respect to the above posts about accuracy in a work of fiction: If, say, you'd written well into the story (say halfway or even three-quarters of the way through), then you go back to your earlier chapters and realize, with a growing sense of horror, you overlooked a small but critical piece of the story that had a glaring discrepancy, what would you do? I don't think there's an easy solve to that kind of thing, but I know I would regret it forever if I tried to publish something like that. I'd pick one side of the discrepancy I want to keep and try to rewrite the other, even if it meant starting almost from scratch.
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Post by smilesja on Sept 8, 2017 19:12:03 GMT
One thing I've always wondered is how realistic should you make scenes whether it's character interactions or action scenes?
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Post by DomeWing333 on Sept 8, 2017 20:36:58 GMT
One thing I've always wondered is how realistic should you make scenes whether it's character interactions or action scenes? You should make it realistic to the characters and align with the tone of the universe you're writing.
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Post by Lady Artifice on Sept 9, 2017 7:18:06 GMT
One thing I've always wondered is how realistic should you make scenes whether it's character interactions or action scenes? That's a vague question, but here's an article on writing compelling action scenes: www.helpingwritersbecomeauthors.com/action-scenes/#The most important thing about writing action scenes is to make sure that your readers have a reason to be invested in your characters. Even more so than with film, the stakes involved are a way more important focus than spectacle, especially because spectacle is hard to convey in written form. Don't bother with action scenes involving characters who mean nothing to your audience. Try to balance the emotional and the physical, and definitely try to make sure you keep to the rules within your own universe. If you mean whether it's bad to go with unrealistic depictions in the first place, that comes down to perspective and whether you buy into the stigma toward fantasy and sci fi in the lit world. Realism and believability aren't always the same thing, especially in a fantastical story. I think tv tropes actual summarizes this issue well when they describe Willing Suspension of Disbelief: "A common way of putting this is "You can ask an audience to believe the impossible, but not the improbable." For example, people will accept that the Grand Mage can teleport across the world, or that the spaceship has technology that makes it completely invisible without rendering its own sensors blind, but they won't accept that the ferocious carnivore just happened to have a heart attack and die right before it attacked the main character, or that the hacker guessed his enemy's password on the first try just by typing random letters, at least without some prior detail justifying it or one of the Rules listed below coming into play. What is in Real Life impossible just has to be made the norm in the setting and kept consistent." My favorite metaphor for it: The audience might accept that Beethoven and the Devil are playing poker, but scoff if Beethoven wins with an implausible hand.
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Post by colfoley on Sept 10, 2017 1:26:41 GMT
One thing I've always wondered is how realistic should you make scenes whether it's character interactions or action scenes? Depends on your audience too. If you are writing an GoT type book for audults you can get away with a lot more, nudity, sex, etc, but if you want to write for an audience who aren't all adults everything has to be implied. Same thing with action scenes.
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Post by colfoley on Sept 10, 2017 1:27:30 GMT
He has a lot of great stuff but I wasn't exactly thrilled by his latest GoT review.
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Post by Serza on Sept 22, 2017 22:27:34 GMT
Hmm. Anyone got a clue how I should view Tali'Zorah from a writer's standpoint?
Pointers about her character, and what she'd be like around the time she comes back to the Fleet from Normandy SR-1?
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Post by colfoley on Sept 23, 2017 1:48:46 GMT
Hmm. Anyone got a clue how I should view Tali'Zorah from a writer's standpoint? Pointers about her character, and what she'd be like around the time she comes back to the Fleet from Normandy SR-1? writing a fan fic?
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Post by Serza on Sept 23, 2017 8:45:48 GMT
Coming back to one. I have no idea why I thought it would be a good idea to include her as a more or less minor character.
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Post by colfoley on Sept 23, 2017 22:20:13 GMT
Coming back to one. I have no idea why I thought it would be a good idea to include her as a more or less minor character. well i did that in my big fan fic. But to your question i think the best thing you can do is show contrasts. The fleet seemed to like her as a big god damn hero yet she doesn't seemt the type type to like that kind of praise.
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Post by Serza on Sept 24, 2017 10:20:06 GMT
Yeah. I had a thought yesterday (with a headache, the idiot) and she cares for her friends. Courage, curious, she can already stand her ground. I'm guessing that being with Shepard taught her a lot of things, but at the same time she only JUST lost Shepard who she valued a lot, since this is where she was given the data. There is a notable difference to me, though. She seems much calmer and resourceful in a fight in ME2.
I'll think about this more and maybe use the thread as a notepad of sorts. Sorry, I'll try not to.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2017 13:10:49 GMT
I cannot say that i'm a writer but i do write i started when i was around 15 years old. And every time i have inspiration i write something down ( sometimes it's just one page and sometimes it's more ) it's a scion fiction kind of novel. I do not have plans to publish it and i think i never will but if i would i think i would have about a 1600 pages book. ( that's not much in 7 years right haha )
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Post by colfoley on Sept 24, 2017 18:44:28 GMT
Yeah. I had a thought yesterday (with a headache, the idiot) and she cares for her friends. Courage, curious, she can already stand her ground. I'm guessing that being with Shepard taught her a lot of things, but at the same time she only JUST lost Shepard who she valued a lot, since this is where she was given the data. There is a notable difference to me, though. She seems much calmer and resourceful in a fight in ME2. I'll think about this more and maybe use the thread as a notepad of sorts. Sorry, I'll try not to. actually that's what we're here for.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2017 15:52:32 GMT
Hey, folks, I have a bit of an odd request. I am not asking for a critique, I just look for an honest answer as to how far you get into reading this before getting bored and dropping it (you can just quote a line or approximate # of paragraphs)? The bell rung and Han Zhang stepped into the dark chemist’s shop from the sunlit street. The morning sun, he had to admit, was far more pleasant than the scorching blaze of the afternoon he was used to getting up to.
He preferred to be called Zha Yao, the Black Powder, when he went among the commoners. It was a part of his legend as a sharpshooter and a duelist, an enigma of a gentleman, more dangerous than any lowlife bravo that captured commoners’ imagination for a thousand years. People needed heroes like him, and by tomorrow, by sunrise, he was sure the whole of Xingji City would be singing songs about him. After all, he left generous honorariums with no less than three poets on his way to the chemist.
Life was glorious! Anything, absolutely anything, pleased and amused him right now, even the sight of the slouching and pale young man at the counter.
“Cow Dung, my good man!” Zha Yao exclaimed, “believe it or not, I need a refill!” He’d unhooked the finally filigreed powder horn off his ornamental belt and tossed it to the chemist’s apprentice. “What a night, what a night!”
The apprentice, Cow Dung, dropped the pestle he used to grind something odorous in the mortar, and deftly caught the horn out of the air. “Did you enjoy the festivities, Master Zha Yao?”
“Ha!” exclaimed Zha Yao and settled in a chair set up in the corner of the shop for the waiting customers. “Your best powder, Cow Dung. Fill it right up!” He’d almost giggled saying it. Sure, the shop was not the fanciest, but it was worth it for the apprentice’s name. Those commoners, they knew what’s what. If the kid was born to shovel cow’s dung, that’s what they’ve named him. And if the kid escaped the farm, well, he did not escape his name. Zha Yao beamed at the looser benevolently. His visit brightened the kid’s sorry existence. He could bet anything that the poor sod’s idea of a wild party was having a few cups of wine in some wretched tea-house. Now, he just had to wait till the kid mustered his bravery to ask… and there it came.
“Have you had an… adventure, Master?” Cow Dung asked timidly. He lowered his face, ostensibly to open a jar with a tightly fit lid, that the apothecaries used for the most fashionable and pricey commodity, the gunpowder.
“Ha!” Zha Yao repeated, enjoying keeping him in suspense. “Maybe I did.” He fidgeted in the chair, gave up on sitting, jumped, and paced restlessly, patting two pistols holstered in a bandolier across his chest.
Cow Dung started measuring the powder out. “Is that why you are out of the black powder, Master Zha Yao?” he probed.
“You bet!” Zha Yao felt that torturing the wretch was just cruel now. The kid earned the best part of his day. Ancestors! Maybe his whole week! Or a year!
“Well, kid, if you happen to hear rumors that Thirty Claws bit the dust, well, take it from me, it’s all true.”
Cow Dung gasped: “Thirty Claws, you don’t say! Is not he a famed swashbuckler from Sulan?”
Zha Yao chuckled: “He should have stayed in Sulan, the dirty pirate that he was. Not ride into Xingji, and start throwing gold around like dirt, and wave a piece of paper that granted him nobility under our noses. The ink is so fresh on it, I was afraid it would smudge his fingers.” Zha Yao grinned. “I was as impressed as the Emperor by this smuggler’s help in the last war. Of course, I can’t hand out the titles, but I did what I could to make this folk hero welcome. Why, I practically felt obliged to introduce him to our fine customs. Dueling, for example.”
“Oh!” was all Cow Dung could say. “How did he offend you, Master?”
“There was a lady involved, Cow Dung, a wholesome peach on the tallest branch of the noblest tree. I am afraid, I cannot go into more details, you understand?”
Cow Dung nodded with a rapt anticipation: “Of course, Master. And you’ve won the duel? With a pirate?”
“Of course,” Zha Yao smirked. “An honest duel is nothing like a tavern brawl. When the two nobles meet on the field of honor, they are not throwing punches around, hoping to hit someone in the drunken crowd. Oh, no. The face one another, walk to close the distance, take aim and shoot bravely when they feel ready for it.”
Zha Yao pulled the pistols out of the bandolier in a lightning-quick motion, flourished them and mimicked shooting: “Boom! Boom! The pirate is dead!”
Cow Dung lifted his eyes from the now full powder-horn and stared at the pistols’ handles tastefully inlaid with precious white jade: “Didn’t you once say, Master, they cost you two annual harvests?”
“I did?” Zha Yao furrowed his brow, “I forgot, but… yes, yes, and they are worth that and more! I can hit as true at thirty paces, as another pistol would from ten. Ha-ha! I shot straight away, while the doofus thought he’d prove his bravery by holding his shot while closing the distance!”
“And your aim was true even from afar!” Cow Dung exclaimed with an obvious admiration.
“I’ve got the wretch right between the eyes, fair and square,” Zha Yao agreed. He stroked the pistols affectionately before putting them away. “Ah, what a night!”
Cow Dung licked his lips and then said shyly: “Master Zha Yao, here is your powder. And, if I may… you are the most deserving customer of ours. I wish… I wish…”
Zha Yao took the horn and asked magnanimously: “What do you wish for, kid?”
“That I could offer you powder that is as superior to all other black powders…” Cow Dung started.
“What, made with the sheep’s dung instead of the cows’?” Zha Yao chuckled. “Ah, kid, sometimes I wonder if the mages use the same mundane ingredients for their potions and spells as you apothecaries do for the black powder. Dung soaked in urine, charcoal, Sulfur… the result is as flashy as their enchantments, and as deadly.”
“Master,” Cow Dung interrupted with an unusual insistence. “Surely, as informed as you are, you know that they mix the secret ingredients in to make the explosions red, or green, or purple?”
“Well, yes…” Zha Yao replied impatiently.
“I believe I came upon the special ingredients to make the bullets fly faster. You see, the berries of the weeping tree, and the ground ash pearl, and then an enchanted scroll… well, never mind. I saw it explode, and it will work, Master Zha Yao. Only… only I am afraid to tell Master Apothecary Vasoun, as he’d already beat me a few times for wasting the ingredients for my experiments. He told me if he catches me again, he’d send me back to my family.”
Cow Dung hung his head. “But I was thinking of going to the Master Weapon-smith Nhgao. She is a reasonable woman, and all I need is for her to lend me a couple of the worst pistols she has to test my secret formula.”
Zha Yao guffawed: “How are you going to test it, kid? No sage can measure the speed of a flying bullet.”
“Sage, oh good Heavens, no! Of course not! I can’t ever afford a sage!” Cow Dung laughed nervously. “I can’t afford even the pistols if I saved for ten years.”
“But if I just put a couple of old jars the same distance away, and Nhgao and I should load two pistols, one - with a regular powder, and another – with my new powder, and then we shoot on the same count, I dare say we’ll be able to see which jar the bullet hits first!”
Zha Yao startled. The kid came from dirt, but Master Apothecary left his shop in his keeping and it was a clever plan. If that powder of his worked, and if someone of sufficient means could outfit his private army with muskets, even cannons shooting at a faster rate than anyone else in the realm… there was no telling just how far a man like that could rise.
“Listen, Cow Dung,” Zha Yao said in a friendly manner. “Nghao is an artisan, and it’s more likely that she is going to tell your Master on you than lend you the pistols.”
“Oh, I did not think of that,” Cow Dung replied dejectedly. “Well, nothing for it then but to save my wages…”
Then, a worry appeared in his eyes: “You won’t tell my Master….?”
Zha Yao laughed: “No, no. I will cover up for you this time.”
“Oh, thank you!” Cow Dung exclaimed, “Thank you!”
“I will even help you test your powder, kid.” Zha Yao said casually.
Cow Dung inhaled sharply, clearly at a loss of words. He looked like he was about to cry.
“On one condition though…”
“Anything, Master Zha Yao! ANYTHING!”
“If the test is successful, you will go into my employ to produce the substance exclusively for me.”
Cow Dung looked completely stunned by his largess. He tried to drop to his knees, and then reach for his sudden benefactor’s hand to kiss it with breathless thanks. It was almost embarrassing, but pleasant.
“Enough, enough.” Zha Yao took his hand away.
“I’ve set up the test site in the bamboo grove outside the Eastern gates,” Cow Dung confessed, “my Master just needs to come at the sunrise—“
“Sunrise?! Zha Yao exclaimed.
“We need light, Master,” Cow Dung pleaded. “And secrecy.”
“Oh, very well,” Zha Yao conceded.
The sunrise was glorious. Bamboo rustled in the first breeze. The conditions for the target practice were perfect. Cow Dung measured equal amounts of the regular powder and his special formula. It did look pretty, with a mysterious sheen.
The two men picked up their pistols, and Zha Yao explained the chemist’s apprentice how to pull the trigger, aim and fire. Then he took aim at an ugly clay jar. “Three,” he counted, “two… one… fire!”
The shot boomed, and the jar burst apart. The second jar stood there intact. Irritated by the peasant’s incompetence, Zha Yao rounded on Cow Dung ready to curse him for a fool for not understanding the simplest things--
Cow Dung calmly unloaded the gun into his head. “Wanted to call me a fool, did you? Well, you are not the first, and probably not the last.”
He smirked, and went about relieving the nobleman off his fine clothes and purse. “My parents, my brothers, my sisters, they all called me names, because I was so scrawny. They called me Cow Dung and put me to soaking the cow patties in urine for the chemist. Only they are still there, breaking their strong backs on the farm and popping out strong babies, and I’ve learned to make saltpeter so well, Master Vasoun took me to Xingji City to work for him.”
He rolled the naked body under an overhang of a creek’s bank. “I thought I was in luck, but what did I see of Xingji, working for the fat Apothecary from sunup to sundown, grinding, grinding, grinding, and breathing in the fumes… ? Nothing. So, you see, Lord Fool, I am glad you’ve come along, to provide for me.”
Cow Dung made a neat bundle with the guns hidden in the clothes and wrapped in a cheap blanket he’d secreted away along with a few more things in the grove the night before. He paused, and petted his guns: “Two annual crops, that’s a good life by the sea, in Sulan, for a poor boy born to shovel dung…”
He found it hard to remove his hand off the pistol’s smooth handle. “Oh, very well,” he chuckled and loaded the gun. The jar burst into a shower of shards. It was… glorious. Yet, he could not afford distractions. Cow Dung packed up and cleaned away anything that hinted on the existence of his impromptu shooting range. Now, even if the body was ever found, it would be assumed that the ignoble pirates took revenge on the aristocrat who shot their leader. Nobody in their right mind would connect the murder to a miserable run-away apprentice gone who knows where and why.
It was perfect.
Still, as Cow Dung walked hastily down the road away from Xingjin, hoping to find a meal and a bed in a village inn, strange and fanciful ideas crowded his mind. He thought how easy it was to shoot those guns, and how satisfying killing was to him. The pistols, they seem to make him an instant equal to a battle mage who studied scrolls for years, and a burly swordsman trained in his craft from the childhood.
He thought of the smuggler Thirty Claws throwing gold around like dirt. He indulged his imagination. Here he was, a famed pirate called the Bull of the Sothern Seas or some such ridiculous name, relieving despised noblemen and merchants from their lives and riches by shooting, and shooting and shooting their faces off. Once in a while he rolled his eyes and told himself to stop with this nonsense already. If he took the pistols for himself, and entered a life of a highwayman or a bandit or a mercenary, his reward would be an unmarked grave in a short order. That’s all there was to it. But he slipped right back into his daydreams.
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Post by Serza on Sept 26, 2017 18:16:45 GMT
I'm a terrible reader, but I see no problems with the story.
No, seriously. The fact I just flew across it with my eyes is because of me. Especially certain because I read piece of beginning, middle and ending and it seemed great to me.
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