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Post by majesticjazz on Jul 15, 2017 19:11:43 GMT
So you can't answer the question. My point exactly. But I'll ask it again..... for the slow: If all Bioware games are trashed, then please explain why that MEA is the ONLY Bioware game to ever have a low 70s average review score. By your logic, all other Bioware games should have been rated in the low 70s. Also, please explain why games like KOTOR, Mass Effect 1, Mass Effect 2, and DAI all won a slew of GOTY awards while MEA probably wont even be in the GOTY conversation? The impression I was getting was that fatherjerusalem was pointing that practically every Bioware game out there is always negatively viewed by a segment of the community, always negatively compared to it's predecessor (or predecessor series if it's the first game of it's type), and it's always the worst thing ever and Bioware are on their way down. It's bizarre you've brought up DAI there as most of the same stuff being thrown at MEA was thrown at DAI. Too much exploration, not enough squadmate control, boring story etc etc etc. There is a legitimate point to be made that the scores of MEA are lower than previous games (which is to be expected given its release state) but if the argument is that MEA is a bad game because it 'only' got 7s and 8s then I'm not really sure what point you've think you've made. It's not even like the scores themselves are above question, as DA2 was getting reviews in the 90s (superior to ME3, IIRC) despite it being the same kind of story as MEA - this is a seperate point to whether it's trashed or not. I suspect that this time next year the view of MEA will have improved. It's happened with literally every game Bioware have produced in the last 6+ years. Okay, okay. Makes sense. Off to play gwent now.
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Post by fatherjerusalem on Jul 15, 2017 19:13:02 GMT
Excuse you? You just bragged about downvoting the one remaining "Fandromedan." How else am I supposed to take your statement that "ran off "Fandromedans" and are now insta-downvoting the lone dissenter with you doing other than just that? Again, good job on making r/masseffect the echo chamber you wanted it to be. We have plenty of Fandromedans around just not the cultish ones. I think the one we insta-downvote is actually a poster here who claims "anyone who criticizes Andromeda supports people who want to kill BW developers" or some such. We have another one who claims ME:A is "the best game ever" and calls the rest of us retards for disagreeing but that person is mostly entertaining at this point. Like I said, feel free to visit the sub and participate. We welcome all reasonable voices.Ron Howard voice: "Unfortunately, that was a lie." You seem under the impression that it's impossible to have already been a part of the r/masseffect community and seen first hand how positive posts are treated around there... I mean, god, y'all jump squarely on Jason's dick and anyone who says that they want to wait for more information to come out gets brigaded with downvotes.
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Post by vonuber on Jul 15, 2017 19:14:56 GMT
We have plenty of Fandromedans around just not the cultish ones. I think the one we insta-downvote is actually a poster here who claims "anyone who criticizes Andromeda supports people who want to kill BW developers" or some such. We have another one who claims ME:A is "the best game ever" and calls the rest of us retards for disagreeing but that person is mostly entertaining at this point. Like I said, feel free to visit the sub and participate. We welcome all reasonable voices. To be honest, from your posts (and use of 'we') it sounds like it is a cult.
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Post by fatherjerusalem on Jul 15, 2017 19:16:55 GMT
*sigh* basically if you hate the game, those that like it aren't allowed to enjoy it. If you love the game, haters aren't allowed to find flaws with it. What a pointless cycle that's a complete waste of energy. :smh: There's a difference between finding flaws and constantly flooding the forums with youtube videos of every single person who's ever said a negative thing about Andromeda. I can name a bunch of flaws in the game, and I still enjoyed it. The difference is that certain people get off on hating the game, and so want to make everyone else as miserable as they are.
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Post by Sarayne on Jul 15, 2017 19:17:54 GMT
I don't understand why gamers can't enjoy Bioware games and CDPR games. I certainly do as a female gamer. I don't reside as much on CDPR forum as I do here but the most nonsense and (psychologic) projections on what I am supposed to be feeling and why "playing the Witcher series" comes from Bioware fans reacting rabidly when Witcher is even mentioned. The biggest sale market is the American continent so I expect CDPR to adopt male/female choice inserted into their games and other American cultural adaptations, solely to have more sales. How much soul will be diluted and the results thereof will have to wait until reality gives that feedback! I really like Witcher 3(tho Witcher 2 was totally a better game lets be honest here) but their fan boys make me want to not play it again. I am so tired of the meme that CDPR are the savior of rpgs in the west. Or that if i like Andromeda I am a Biodrone or some other stupid labeling crap. WHY cant we just get along and like the games we like but no we have to put others down for the games they like for some tribalism bs.
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Post by thesupremedarkone on Jul 15, 2017 19:19:41 GMT
We have plenty of Fandromedans around just not the cultish ones. I think the one we insta-downvote is actually a poster here who claims "anyone who criticizes Andromeda supports people who want to kill BW developers" or some such. We have another one who claims ME:A is "the best game ever" and calls the rest of us retards for disagreeing but that person is mostly entertaining at this point. Like I said, feel free to visit the sub and participate. We welcome all reasonable voices.Ron Howard voice: "Unfortunately, that was a lie." You seem under the impression that it's impossible to have already been a part of the r/masseffect community and seen first hand how positive posts are treated around there... I mean, god, y'all jump squarely on Jason's dick and anyone who says that they want to wait for more information to come out gets brigaded with downvotes. Meanwhile you feel the need to call people cunts for daring to disagree with you. There's a reason BSN is considered scum and posts like yours kind of prove the mockery is completely warranted.
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Post by Qolx on Jul 15, 2017 19:19:46 GMT
We have plenty of Fandromedans around just not the cultish ones. I think the one we insta-downvote is actually a poster here who claims "anyone who criticizes Andromeda supports people who want to kill BW developers" or some such. We have another one who claims ME:A is "the best game ever" and calls the rest of us retards for disagreeing but that person is mostly entertaining at this point. Like I said, feel free to visit the sub and participate. We welcome all reasonable voices.Ron Howard voice: "Unfortunately, that was a lie." You seem under the impression that it's impossible to have already been a part of the r/masseffect community and seen first hand how positive posts are treated around there... I mean, god, y'all jump squarely on Jason's dick and anyone who says that they want to wait for more information to come out gets brigaded with downvotes. Right. You're upset that people interact with Jason Schreier and don't immediately trash him like you all do here. Most of you here are upset because ME:A is not praised constantly. Basically, you all want a hugbox and are angry that you can't get it. If it upsets you that much make a private group only for pro-ME:A opinions.
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Post by jaegerbane on Jul 15, 2017 19:20:35 GMT
We have plenty of Fandromedans around just not the cultish ones. I think the one we insta-downvote is actually a poster here who claims "anyone who criticizes Andromeda supports people who want to kill BW developers" or some such. We have another one who claims ME:A is "the best game ever" and calls the rest of us retards for disagreeing but that person is mostly entertaining at this point. Like I said, feel free to visit the sub and participate. We welcome all reasonable voices. To be honest, from your posts (and use of 'we') it sounds like it is a cult. Oh, is 'fandromedan' the new insult? I can never keep up. Hell, when I first heard it, I thought 'talimancer' was just someone who brought Tali on every mission.
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Post by fatherjerusalem on Jul 15, 2017 19:23:20 GMT
Ron Howard voice: "Unfortunately, that was a lie." You seem under the impression that it's impossible to have already been a part of the r/masseffect community and seen first hand how positive posts are treated around there... I mean, god, y'all jump squarely on Jason's dick and anyone who says that they want to wait for more information to come out gets brigaded with downvotes. Meanwhile you feel the need to call people cunts for daring to disagree with you. There's a reason BSN is considered scum and posts like yours kind of prove the mockery is completely warranted. I call people cunts because they're acting like cunts. Don't want to be called a cunt? Don't act like a cunt. Now jog on, my son.
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Post by jaegerbane on Jul 15, 2017 19:23:20 GMT
Ron Howard voice: "Unfortunately, that was a lie." You seem under the impression that it's impossible to have already been a part of the r/masseffect community and seen first hand how positive posts are treated around there... I mean, god, y'all jump squarely on Jason's dick and anyone who says that they want to wait for more information to come out gets brigaded with downvotes. Right. You're upset that people interact with Jason Schreier and don't immediately trash him like you all do here. Most of you here are upset because ME:A is not praised constantly. Basically, you all want a hugbox and are angry that you can't get it. If it upsets you that much make a private group only for pro-ME:A opinions. The question about Jason's reporting is up for debate, but there are very good reasons why he's considered a bit of a dick on these forums, and it's not because he's got some issue with Bioware. Posting screenshots on your twitter to invite your fans to troll the poster is just... well, as I say, he deserves all the shit he gets on here.
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Post by Guts on Jul 15, 2017 19:23:51 GMT
To be honest, from your posts (and use of 'we') it sounds like it is a cult. Oh, is 'fandromedan' the new insult? I can never keep up. Hell, when I first heard it, I thought 'talimancer' was just someone who brought Tali on every mission. Heh, it's like how Smudboy likes to abuse the term "Biodrone". I think if some people think that Andromeda is THEIR GoTY, then that's fine, but to say it likes it's objective is just dumb. I don't think I'd classify it as MY GoTY due to the fact that I haven't played many games of this year.
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Post by smilesja on Jul 15, 2017 19:24:35 GMT
Interesting take. I have this belief that if you are here at these forums, then most likely you are a die-hard Bioware supporter which is different from the older BSN forums where you had soft/neutral Bioware supporters where you had open debates on both sides of the spectrum (positive and negative). With this place being a place where truely dedicated Bioware fans call home, it is only natural that some sort of echo chamber style culture is prevalent here. A lot of people view this place not as a forum to discuss MEA (both positive and negative) but rather as a fan outpost for MEA where everyone regurgitates positive discussion about MEA and if you do the opposite, then you are in the wrong. Also I believe the reception of MEA has a lot to do with it as well. If MEA had a 95+ average review score, broke all sorts of sales records, had a great reception, and is said to be an easy contender for GOTY by all industry professionals.....then you would see a different tone in this place towards people who don't like the game. Instead of attacking people who don't like the game like what goes on now, people would just laugh off people who don't like the game and point out how they are in the minority and that their attempts to take down Bioware has failed and so on. But since it is the opposite and MEA got a bad reception, low review score average, and probably not in contention for any GOTY category, then a lot of MEA supporters seems a bit.....overly. Somewhere deep down inside (they won't admit it), they feel that maybe perhaps the "hate" against MEA is finally taking a toll on Bioware and perhaps that their decisions to make DLC or a sequel is based on the negative reception of the game. So when they see threads that deem MEA in a bad light, they comment with "why are you here?" or "Do you think we do not know this already?" and so on and so fourth. I don't really care about the need of some people to have their echo-chamber as long as it doesn't affect me. You can be sure that if I have something to say I will say it, their need for echo chamber be damned.
What I will say is that while I used to think of myself as a Bioware fan (I do have some fond memories, mainly related to their older games), at this point I don't see Bioware any differently than I see, say, Ubisoft. That old charm is dead for me. I look at their games on a case by case basis now. The only reason I bought ME:A on release (actually a pre-order) was because I got it for 30% less on Origin, and despite that the game was disappointing overall for me.
So if someone asks me "why I am here", I suppose that at this point it's because of the other sections of the forum, some of the people I met here, and some interest in the DA franchise.
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Post by fatherjerusalem on Jul 15, 2017 19:24:43 GMT
Ron Howard voice: "Unfortunately, that was a lie." You seem under the impression that it's impossible to have already been a part of the r/masseffect community and seen first hand how positive posts are treated around there... I mean, god, y'all jump squarely on Jason's dick and anyone who says that they want to wait for more information to come out gets brigaded with downvotes. Right. You're upset that people interact with Jason Schreier and don't immediately trash him like you all do here. Most of you here are upset because ME:A is not praised constantly. Basically, you all want a hugbox and are angry that you can't get it. If it upsets you that much make a private group only for pro-ME:A opinions. TIL "questioning" = "trashing". And not to get all schoolyard on you, but uh... he kind of started it by posting screenshots including a bunch of personal information and posting them on twitter for his followers to mock and harass. But, you know, ethics... gaming journalism... all that.
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Post by Monica21 on Jul 15, 2017 19:24:46 GMT
Right. You're upset that people interact with Jason Schreier and don't immediately trash him like you all do here. Most of you here are upset because ME:A is not praised constantly. Basically, you all want a hugbox and are angry that you can't get it. If it upsets you that much make a private group only for pro-ME:A opinions. Interacting with Jason is different from downvoting anyone who rightfully questions his reporting. And I have real life people to hug me.
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Post by vonuber on Jul 15, 2017 19:25:08 GMT
Right. You're upset that people interact with Jason Schreier and don't immediately trash him like you all do here. Most of you here are upset because ME:A is not praised constantly. Basically, you all want a hugbox and are angry that you can't get it. If it upsets you that much make a private group only for pro-ME:A opinions. The question about Jason's reporting is up for debate, but there are very good reasons why he's considered a bit of a dick on these forums, and it's not because he's got some issue with Bioware. Posting screenshots on your twitter to invite your fans to troll the poster is just... well, as I say, he deserves all the shit he gets on here. Plus the fact we all know he is suikoden
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Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2017 19:25:30 GMT
Oh my god you're such a pissy little baby. If all Bioware games are trashed, then please explain why that MEA is the ONLY Bioware game to ever have a low 70s average review score. By your logic, all other Bioware games should have been rated in the low 70s. Also, please explain why games like KOTOR, Mass Effect 1, Mass Effect 2, and DAI all won a slew of GOTY awards while MEA probably wont even be in the GOTY conversation? Because the media "editorialists" were intently trashing the IP, based on the ME3 endings, long before ME:A was ever released... and they are the same people who were given the 10-hour preview play of the game... and the technical performance of the game during that preview was less than steller (Bioware's mistake). That the media have carried on and on and on over the top about it... and continue to do so... it on their heads. They set out to convince the public to agree with them that the game is trash and members of the public who have tried to "call" them on that behavior (BSN members here) have been ridiculed by that same media on Twitter. The media is set up is such a way that it sensationalizes for clicks and "force feeds" those videos on everyone (through the practice of having them automatically run after other more informational videos about the game). I can't tell you how many times I've had the video "Why Andromeda was such as disaster" start to run automatically after viewing a viewing about finding secret chests in a vault or other such informational item on the game. With that, no doubt, the makers of the "disaster" video get more coin because they get credited for more views. The state of the game reporting industry is abysmal, period. ... and why people here insist on defending those sorts of practices by the media (i.e copied sensationalism and force feeding of their tripe online), I'll never know. The media tried very hard to convince me to not buy this game. They've even tried very hard to convince I shouldn't like this game... even to the point of calling me "delusional" for liking this game. The bottom line here though is, despite all of that, I do like this game.
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Post by thesupremedarkone on Jul 15, 2017 19:26:13 GMT
Right. You're upset that people interact with Jason Schreier and don't immediately trash him like you all do here. Most of you here are upset because ME:A is not praised constantly. Basically, you all want a hugbox and are angry that you can't get it. If it upsets you that much make a private group only for pro-ME:A opinions. TIL "questioning" = "trashing". And not to get all schoolyard on you, but uh... he kind of started it by posting screenshots including a bunch of personal information and posting them on twitter for his followers to mock and harass. But, you know, ethics... gaming journalism... all that. Care to show this personal information because all I see are posts which kind of deserved to be mocked.
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Post by colfoley on Jul 15, 2017 19:26:19 GMT
*sigh* basically if you hate the game, those that like it aren't allowed to enjoy it. If you love the game, haters aren't allowed to find flaws with it. What a pointless cycle that's a complete waste of energy. :smh: i like good honest discussion about the game a lot of the criticism is valid and even a lot of the ones I disagree with I find enlightening. Just A. When you criticize the game for what i find are shallow reasons...ie the aliens in Andromeda aren't 'alien' enough. B. When you criticize v the game for things that Just don't seem to be true ie Ryders not tough enough...when they can shoot unarmed asari in the back. And C. When you belittle the opinions of others. That is what tends to annoy me.
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Post by thesupremedarkone on Jul 15, 2017 19:27:29 GMT
The question about Jason's reporting is up for debate, but there are very good reasons why he's considered a bit of a dick on these forums, and it's not because he's got some issue with Bioware. Posting screenshots on your twitter to invite your fans to troll the poster is just... well, as I say, he deserves all the shit he gets on here. Plus the fact we all know he is suikoden Really? I thought three other people were Jason. Is everyone on this forum Jason? How do I know you aren't Jason masquerading as a hater to ward off suspicion
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Post by Guts on Jul 15, 2017 19:29:43 GMT
Plus the fact we all know he is suikoden Really? I thought three other people were Jason. Is everyone on this forum Jason? How do I know you aren't Jason masquerading as a hater to ward off suspicion Why do I get the feeling this is going to turn into a cheesy murder mystery thing?
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Post by Qolx on Jul 15, 2017 19:32:27 GMT
Monica21: People do call out JS but he's upvoted because he takes the time to interact with the sub, something that BW does not do. I take his reporting with a grain of salt but I do appreciate his taking the time to answer questions. fatherjerusalem: I don't know who started it but that's irrelevant to my point. You're upset because "we jump on Jason's dick" whatever that means. You don't like the fact that r/masseffect allows negative ME:A opinions alongside the positive ones. You're free to create a private group if you want to filter opinions. smilesja: suikoden is an absolute negative influence here and [collective] you should find a way to run him out as most of you want him gone anyways.
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Post by fatherjerusalem on Jul 15, 2017 19:35:40 GMT
Monica21 : People do call out JS but he's upvoted because he takes the time to interact with the sub, something that BW does not do. I take his reporting with a grain of salt but I do appreciate his taking the time to answer questions. fatherjerusalem : I don't know who started it but that's irrelevant to my point. You're upset because "we jump on Jason's dick" whatever that means. You don't like the fact that r/masseffect allows negative ME:A opinions alongside the positive ones. You're free to create a private group if you want to filter opinions. smilesja : suikoden is an absolute negative influence here and [collective] you should find a way to run him out as most of you want him gone anyways. No, I don't like that r/masseffect suppresses and downvotes positive opinions and that you, by your own admission, delight in driving away users who enjoy the games. Just so we're clear on what I like and dislike.
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Post by Monica21 on Jul 15, 2017 19:35:50 GMT
Monica21: People do call out JS but he's upvoted because he takes the time to interact with the sub, something that BW does not do. I take his reporting with a grain of salt but I do appreciate his taking the time to answer questions. You'll have to point me to a time he's tried to interact with this forum in a way that wasn't sharing screenshots of posts on Twitter and giggling with his buddies. He clearly knows this forum exists, after all.
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Post by Iakus on Jul 15, 2017 19:37:41 GMT
If all Bioware games are trashed, then please explain why that MEA is the ONLY Bioware game to ever have a low 70s average review score. By your logic, all other Bioware games should have been rated in the low 70s. Also, please explain why games like KOTOR, Mass Effect 1, Mass Effect 2, and DAI all won a slew of GOTY awards while MEA probably wont even be in the GOTY conversation? Because the media "editorialists" were intently trashing the IP, based on the ME3 endings, long before ME:A was ever released... and they are the same people who were given the 10-hour preview play of the game... and the technical performance of the game during that preview was less than steller (Bioware's mistake). That the media have carried on and on and on over the top about it... and continue to do so... it on their heads. They set out to convince the public to agree with them that the game is trash and members of the public who have tried to "call" them on that behavior (BSN members here) have been ridiculed by that same media on Twitter. The media is set up is such a way that it sensationalizes for clicks and "force feeds" those videos on everyone (through the practice of having them automatically run after other more informational videos about the game). I can't tell you how many times I've had the video "Why Andromeda was such as disaster" start to run automatically after viewing a viewing about finding secret chests in a vault or other such informational item on the game. With that, no doubt, the makers of the "disaster" video get more coin because they get credited for more views. The state of the game reporting industry is abysmal, period. ... and why people here insist on defending those sorts of practices by the media (i.e copied sensationalism and force feeding of their tripe online), I'll never know. Waitaminute... Weren't these the same people calling players who disliked ME3's endings "entitled whiners"?
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Post by thesupremedarkone on Jul 15, 2017 19:40:58 GMT
Monica21 : People do call out JS but he's upvoted because he takes the time to interact with the sub, something that BW does not do. I take his reporting with a grain of salt but I do appreciate his taking the time to answer questions. fatherjerusalem : I don't know who started it but that's irrelevant to my point. You're upset because "we jump on Jason's dick" whatever that means. You don't like the fact that r/masseffect allows negative ME:A opinions alongside the positive ones. You're free to create a private group if you want to filter opinions. smilesja : suikoden is an absolute negative influence here and [collective] you should find a way to run him out as most of you want him gone anyways. No, I don't like that r/masseffect suppresses and downvotes positive opinions and that you, by your own admission, delight in driving away users who enjoy the games. Just so we're clear on what I like and dislike. Ah si you're just mad they aren't a pro-andromeda echo chamber that is obsessed with Jason like this forum is. K
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