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Post by Monica21 on Jul 15, 2017 1:28:09 GMT
What is the intention behind your comments? Because you're uninterested in discussing the game itself, and you really can't because you haven't played it. You're only interested in discussing the future of the game. And your clear hope is that it has no future. If you'd like to talk with like-minded people, Reddit still exists, last I checked. The point I'm making is that you have no contribution besides, "Watch this guy's video. He talks about an article. Also I hate the few hours I played Andromeda." Your posts add nothing to the conversation that we don't already know. You offer no new perspectives. You offer no insights. You're on a hate-bender, and that gets tiresome. That's a nice opinion. Stop with the personal attacks please. From my perspective, it reeks of insecurity when people feel the need to address me like you have. And you have not answered my question about your intentions in posting. You can offer no substantive discussion about the game in question because you haven't played the game. I did not attack you; I stated a fact.
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Post by fatherjerusalem on Jul 15, 2017 1:34:11 GMT
Defenders for the game made sure any "Jason" threads were locked a long time ago. Maybe we should just lump every single DLC thread together? We could start with the savethequarians thread - it's clearly redundant and belongs with the other DLC threads. That thread is still alive because people like me have enough respect to stay out of them - please do the same for this one. If I do post in it, it's directed at the topic at the very least, not an attempt to shitpost attacks at others. I agree. I made a comment a few days ago in the Quarians thread and suddenly my post became the topic so I just bowed out so that I dont derail the thread. Hope > Logic "Why the need to show support? I mean, I thought people here are confident that SP DLC is coming? If you're so sure that it is coming, why do you need to start a movement to show support for the game? Is the game's financials not enough support for EA/Bioware?" bsn.boards.net/post/785355/threadIt's almost hard to believe that your attempts to derail a positive thread by being a dick ended up with your post derailing the thread. It's clear your only intention was to derail that thread, and then when you succeeded, you tried to take the high road by "bowing out" after getting exactly what you wanted.
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Post by suikoden on Jul 15, 2017 1:37:17 GMT
That's a nice opinion. Stop with the personal attacks please. From my perspective, it reeks of insecurity when people feel the need to address me like you have. And you have not answered my question about your intentions in posting. You can offer no substantive discussion about the game in question because you haven't played the game. I did not attack you; I stated a fact. I have offered substantive discussion topics - there's even threads I've started on these first few pages that feature positive discussions. You're just blinded by your hatred of me that you overlook anything positive I contribute. Again, I have to question why people are so concerned about my "intentions" when posting - it's like you want to frisk me before you'll leave me alone. Why should you care? There's other threads for you to post in. Should I put the mods' quote in my sig so you'll understand?
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Post by Monica21 on Jul 15, 2017 1:55:46 GMT
I have offered substantive discussion topics - there's even threads I've started on these first few pages that feature positive discussions. Let's dive in then, shall we? References a video that references an article that talks about problems with Andromeda's development. You didn't even ask a question. I don't how that can be considered "positive" under the most generous of definitions. Combat is what's most highly praised about Andromeda, and in your post you declare that it's what you're least interested in. What's positive about that? "I played less than 10 hours and didn't like the dialogue. Who agrees?" Still not seeing anything positive. Raising the "no DLC" specter despite having no evidence. Still not seeing anything positive. I don't hate you at all, I'm simply curious. You just claimed to be positive and engaged, but your posts feel a lot like bait. Oh, don't feel like you have to change anything for me. Please continue to shill your book.
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Post by suikoden on Jul 15, 2017 2:11:22 GMT
I have offered substantive discussion topics - there's even threads I've started on these first few pages that feature positive discussions. Let's dive in then, shall we? References a video that references an article that talks about problems with Andromeda's development. You didn't even ask a question. I don't how that can be considered "positive" under the most generous of definitions. Combat is what's most highly praised about Andromeda, and in your post you declare that it's what you're least interested in. What's positive about that? "I played less than 10 hours and didn't like the dialogue. Who agrees?" Still not seeing anything positive. Raising the "no DLC" specter despite having no evidence. Still not seeing anything positive. I don't hate you at all, I'm simply curious. You just claimed to be positive and engaged, but your posts feel a lot like bait. Oh, don't feel like you have to change anything for me. Please continue to shill your book. That's just like, your interpretation. "Suikoden is allowed to his opinions just as you are allowed to yours. And reasonable debate can be had. But when tempers are high and we start getting really bitey with each other - that's really when it needs to stop. I have asked to not have the negativity in the #SaveTheQuarians thread and that has - mostly - been respected. I'd ask the same of the critical threads as well."
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Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2017 2:32:33 GMT
Bothering to respond to someone who wants nothing but to be a brown smear upon the fandom out of nothing but pure sociopathic spite towards people who make and enjoy things that he didn't is a waste of time.
I would recommend against letting such people get what they want.
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Post by Monica21 on Jul 15, 2017 2:36:35 GMT
That's just like, your interpretation. You have a good evening, Suikoden.
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Post by maximusarael020 on Jul 15, 2017 3:31:39 GMT
That's just like, your interpretation. Don't misquote the Dude, dude.
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Post by goishen on Jul 15, 2017 3:37:53 GMT
I love the old Bioware. I'd love to see them make games of quality like they used to. My comments on these forums aren't for the diehard pro-Andromeda posters. They're for everyone who feels as I do but doesn't want to post and deal with the onslaught of mockery, derision, and hate from... the diehard pro-Andromeda posters. What is the intention behind your comments? Because you're uninterested in discussing the game itself, and you really can't because you haven't played it. You're only interested in discussing the future of the game. And your clear hope is that it has no future. If you'd like to talk with like-minded people, Reddit still exists, last I checked. The point I'm making is that you have no contribution besides, "Watch this guy's video. He talks about an article. Also I hate the few hours I played Andromeda." Your posts add nothing to the conversation that we don't already know. You offer no new perspectives. You offer no insights. You're on a hate-bender, and that gets tiresome. Hating on something for terrible writing is one thing. Hating on something because it has slow development is something else. Hating on something because it doesn't have the type of gameplay that you like to see, is yet another thing. Hating on something because it doesn't follow the hard and fast rule of physics is yet another thing. Hating on something because it looks like a stop motion skit that you saw in the eighties is yet another thing. Now, take all hate and add it together. That doesn't add up to a hate bender. There are plenty of reasons to hate the game. And none of you are even saying two cross words against it. That's some scientology level cult like thinking.
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Post by Cyan_Griffonclaw on Jul 15, 2017 3:57:27 GMT
Well, here we are again... I just want to say thanks to YongYea. I know he comes off annoyed and angry at EA and BioWare. He's talking for the disgrunted and aggravated that still love BioWare products. He's taken on the bad cop persona because he's frustrated that EA doesn't openly talk about anything. EA hasn't changed, the fan base hasn't changed, but clearly BioWare changed. They're part of EA now, but they're also still an interactive-art studio. (If no one has called BioWare that, I get the term. I said it first.) However, the only issue that needs to improve is more, detailed communication (Don't ask me, I don't have a solution) because Andromeda is really a great game. It has it's moments just like the original trilogy, but it is far superior as a foundation for future titles. The storytelling, I believe was a symptom of the change in direction and scope, and not so much talent. Anyway, I say embrace YongYea and learn where he's coming from. In the end, when EA is ready to talk, we'll all be listening (and optimistically speculating for good news). My speculation: DLC and a few more goodies. Schreier's book is going to be an important lesson for developers. We're still in July.
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Post by Monica21 on Jul 15, 2017 4:15:39 GMT
Hating on something for terrible writing is one thing. Hating on something because it has slow development is something else. Hating on something because it doesn't have the type of gameplay that you like to see, is yet another thing. Hating on something because it doesn't follow the hard and fast rule of physics is yet another thing. Hating on something because it looks like a stop motion skit that you saw in the eighties is yet another thing. I find it problematic when overarching opinions are made without actually playing the game. That means there is no reference point and there is an extraordinary lack of context. Playing the game is different from watching other people play parts of the game. And playing the game is different from playing the trial and getting up and walking away. My issue isn't that anyone hates them, it's that those opinions are presented as if they are fact and as if there is full context, when there just isn't. I do see flaws in Andromeda, but overall I enjoy the game so I focus less on the flaws. I'm less likely to care too much about dialogue that I know could be better because, again, overall I enjoy the game. The difference is that I have the actual gameplay experience to back my opinion up and not someone else's playthrough.
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Post by warrior on Jul 15, 2017 4:27:30 GMT
suikoden may be passionately antagonistic but "sociopathic" is more than a little much (I mean he may be a sociopath but not for this)
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Post by goishen on Jul 15, 2017 4:41:44 GMT
Hating on something for terrible writing is one thing. Hating on something because it has slow development is something else. Hating on something because it doesn't have the type of gameplay that you like to see, is yet another thing. Hating on something because it doesn't follow the hard and fast rule of physics is yet another thing. Hating on something because it looks like a stop motion skit that you saw in the eighties is yet another thing. I find it problematic when overarching opinions are made without actually playing the game. That means there is no reference point and there is an extraordinary lack of context. Playing the game is different from watching other people play parts of the game. And playing the game is different from playing the trial and getting up and walking away. My issue isn't that anyone hates them, it's that those opinions are presented as if they are fact and as if there is full context, when there just isn't. I do see flaws in Andromeda, but overall I enjoy the game so I focus less on the flaws. I'm less likely to care too much about dialogue that I know could be better because, again, overall I enjoy the game. The difference is that I have the actual gameplay experience to back my opinion up and not someone else's playthrough. Name three flaws that you see in the game, not having to do with animations. Otherwise, your argument is moot.
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Post by Trilobite Derby on Jul 15, 2017 4:45:39 GMT
I find it problematic when overarching opinions are made without actually playing the game. That means there is no reference point and there is an extraordinary lack of context. Playing the game is different from watching other people play parts of the game. And playing the game is different from playing the trial and getting up and walking away. My issue isn't that anyone hates them, it's that those opinions are presented as if they are fact and as if there is full context, when there just isn't. I do see flaws in Andromeda, but overall I enjoy the game so I focus less on the flaws. I'm less likely to care too much about dialogue that I know could be better because, again, overall I enjoy the game. The difference is that I have the actual gameplay experience to back my opinion up and not someone else's playthrough. Name three flaws that you see in the game, not having to do with animations. Otherwise, your argument is moot. Frequency of only two dialogue options. Forced 'growth' of the protagonist. It's a character arch, but it takes some of the fun out of it when your only option is to grow the heck up. As fun as the profiles are, it feels more fulfilling to just focus on one and ignore the feature almost entirely. I'd probably be equally pissed if there were things I couldn't vanguard, so eh. And to be clear, though I'm not one of the frequent posters, I'm on the "Andromeda is damn fun" bus.
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Post by Kabraxal on Jul 15, 2017 4:49:55 GMT
I'll just add this... I can't take the "cringe!" Or "bad dialogue" comments seeiously when I've seen many saying it praising some of the cringiest shir in the OT (reporter punching, various scenes such as Benezia's death/Feros dialogues, Aria's overt try hard badd assery...).
Some just have blinders on when talking about the OT when it is just as guilty ad Andromeda with these "flaws". If the hate wasn't so hypocritical, I think people would take it more seriously. But most haters keep exposing themselves while shouting the same crap over and over.
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Post by Monica21 on Jul 15, 2017 5:05:40 GMT
Name three flaws that you see in the game, not having to do with animations. I don't respond well when people bark orders at me, so no. You'll just have to follow along with my posts. No one is stopping you from believing that.
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Post by maximusarael020 on Jul 15, 2017 5:12:42 GMT
I find it problematic when overarching opinions are made without actually playing the game. That means there is no reference point and there is an extraordinary lack of context. Playing the game is different from watching other people play parts of the game. And playing the game is different from playing the trial and getting up and walking away. My issue isn't that anyone hates them, it's that those opinions are presented as if they are fact and as if there is full context, when there just isn't. I do see flaws in Andromeda, but overall I enjoy the game so I focus less on the flaws. I'm less likely to care too much about dialogue that I know could be better because, again, overall I enjoy the game. The difference is that I have the actual gameplay experience to back my opinion up and not someone else's playthrough. Name three flaws that you see in the game, not having to do with animations. Otherwise, your argument is moot. Ha, what? "Name three flaws otherwise your point is moot"? What a ridiculous thing to say. Why not 10 things? Or 5? What at all did Monica say that would be refuted if they didn't name three flaws? Like, I'm all for saying that yes, MEA had flaws and anyone who says it is perfect is delusional, but come on. Name 5 good things about MEA or YOUR point is moot! They can't include combat. Go!
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Post by colfoley on Jul 15, 2017 5:36:29 GMT
I'll just add this... I can't take the "cringe!" Or "bad dialogue" comments seeiously when I've seen many saying it praising some of the cringiest shir in the OT (reporter punching, various scenes such as Benezia's death/Feros dialogues, Aria's overt try hard badd assery...). Some just have blinders on when talking about the OT when it is just as guilty ad Andromeda with these "flaws". If the hate wasn't so hypocritical, I think people would take it more seriously. But most haters keep exposing themselves while shouting the same crap over and over. You know i was about to defend the Benezia dialogue at the end...but it was pretty cheesy wasn't it? Of course it was good cheese. Like American or Parmesean, but cheese none the same.
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Post by KaiserShep on Jul 15, 2017 5:39:17 GMT
No way was Benezia's dialogue like parmesan. I'd gladly buy more parmesan, but not that shit.
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Post by colfoley on Jul 15, 2017 5:40:28 GMT
No way was Benezia's dialogue like parmesan. I'd gladly buy more parmesan, but not that shit. Well, you just won the BSN today.
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Post by smilesja on Jul 15, 2017 5:46:05 GMT
I find it problematic when overarching opinions are made without actually playing the game. That means there is no reference point and there is an extraordinary lack of context. Playing the game is different from watching other people play parts of the game. And playing the game is different from playing the trial and getting up and walking away. My issue isn't that anyone hates them, it's that those opinions are presented as if they are fact and as if there is full context, when there just isn't. I do see flaws in Andromeda, but overall I enjoy the game so I focus less on the flaws. I'm less likely to care too much about dialogue that I know could be better because, again, overall I enjoy the game. The difference is that I have the actual gameplay experience to back my opinion up and not someone else's playthrough. Name three flaws that you see in the game, not having to do with animations. Otherwise, your argument is moot.
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Post by Kabraxal on Jul 15, 2017 6:10:27 GMT
I'll just add this... I can't take the "cringe!" Or "bad dialogue" comments seeiously when I've seen many saying it praising some of the cringiest shir in the OT (reporter punching, various scenes such as Benezia's death/Feros dialogues, Aria's overt try hard badd assery...). Some just have blinders on when talking about the OT when it is just as guilty ad Andromeda with these "flaws". If the hate wasn't so hypocritical, I think people would take it more seriously. But most haters keep exposing themselves while shouting the same crap over and over. You know i was about to defend the Benezia dialogue at the end...but it was pretty cheesy wasn't it? Of course it was good cheese. Like American or Parmesean, but cheese none the same. I personally don't mind it. People say cheesy/stupid/insane things all the time. So it was an "okay, I wouldn't have said that but..." moment. I just find it amusing how so many will try to treat it or a "Don't fuck with Aria" line like they are better than the one liners or "my face is tired" dualogue. They are pretty even when you get down to it. Or of course shaming Liam for shooting a dead guy but patting Shepard on the back for headbutting a Krogan (I chose it a lot, but still... admit it isn't that bright).
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Post by Cyan_Griffonclaw on Jul 15, 2017 6:27:20 GMT
No way was Benezia's dialogue like parmesan. I'd gladly buy more parmesan, but not that shit. I hated it when I saw it the first time. I hated it even more when I thought, "Isn't there a way to fix this?" It's a perfect moment in time to show cringe that never got patched. There is a small portion of cringe in every freaking title. The best part of this: it's always a small portion. Perfection is hard to reach when you're dealing with deadlines. You do what you can and present the art when it's a strong, playable state. Deadlines are the issue it seems. Let's face it: Patch 1.09 is what should be the retail version. This game would seriously contend for game of the year, but that hype window has completely passed. It would be a real shame if we didn't get DLC to complement the polish taking place.
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Post by smilesja on Jul 15, 2017 6:37:41 GMT
I'm sure people were too busy staring at Benezia's cleavage to notice her cheesy dialogue.
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Post by Melcara on Jul 15, 2017 6:38:34 GMT
No way was Benezia's dialogue like parmesan. I'd gladly buy more parmesan, but not that shit. I hated it when I saw it the first time. I hated it even more when I thought, "Isn't there a way to fix this?" It's a perfect moment in time to show cringe that never got patched. There is a small portion of cringe in every freaking title. The best part of this: it's always a small portion. Perfection is hard to reach when you're dealing with deadlines. You do what you can and present the art when it's a strong, playable state. Deadlines are the issue it seems. Let's face it: Patch 1.09 is what should be the retail version. This game would seriously contend for game of the year, but that hype window has completely passed. It would be a real shame if we didn't get DLC to complement the polish taking place. The characters, dialogue and plot (especially the plot) are nowhere near strong enough to contend for GOTY. These are sadly things that can't be patched.
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