YongYea's take on Kotaku's Andromeda Development article

But it's covered in weird alien scales. 

I wonder what this says about the state of gaming now versus when the OT was released then.  I have to wonder how many awards the MET would get if they were released now (say with just their graphics improved) in a post Witcher 3 world.  Say what you will about Witcher, like it, hate it, love it, somewhere in the middle, get annoyed at its lack of interesting antagonistic characters...whatever...it certainly has changed gaming forever. 

the cleavage made you forgive... 

What "post Witcher 3 world" really means is a world in which devs like CD Projekt Red can push out a genuinely broken piece of garbage with terrible writing and terrible gameplay and have their fanboys blind themselves to all of its flaws, but the same people will harass and threaten the lives of other developers because a female character doesn't make them horny.

Don't pretend for a second that Witcher 3 is anything special. It's just worshipped by a bunch of delusional fanboys who are so incredibly insecure about "the greatest RPG ever" that they spend more time harassing BioWare staff and fans than actually enjoying the game they claim is so great.

Breath of the Wild, I think, was a special case here as it was a nintendo title using one of their franchises so regardless of whether it's any good, it gets an automatic +50% buff to it score and becomes GOTY by default.

I mean, honestly, it was a decent game, but after playing it for a good few hours I seriously couldn't get my head around why it was branded the greatest game of all time. Frankly it felt like Skyrim with a Link skin (and I say that as someone who actually thoroughly enjoyed Skyrim). I can understand why Jim Sterling/Jimquisition gave it a 70% to begin with - the fact he got death threats for doing that should tell you all you need to know about internet impartiality. Regardless, Breath of the Wild would have been GOTDecade irrespective of what it was. TW3 was a different kettle of fish as it was legitimately innovative in how it told a coherent storyline on an open-world canvas.

This is kind of why I've generally had enough of gaming journalism outside of a very few reviewers (most of which don't consider themselves reviewers). It's becoming increasingly difficult to work out whether conclusions are being drawn for clicks.

I can't speak too much about the content in The Witcher 3 since I made three attempts at starting the game and my longest was about five hours.  It just didn't appeal to me.

With that being said I am curious to see how the people that have such an attachment to CDPR are going to react to what I have been reading about Cyberpunk because it looks like it will be starting to go down the same path as BioWare with a more open style of game instead of being extremely fixed like The Witcher series was.

I have several female friends who enjoyed TW, but I'm just not one of them. As for CDPR, if they did have a game where the protagonist could be female, I'm pretty likely to buy it. Never hurts to have good games.

Only one problem. American Cheese ain't cheese.

Still waiting on your response:




If all Bioware games are trashed, then please explain why that MEA is the ONLY Bioware game to ever have a low 70s average review score. By your logic, all other Bioware games should have been rated in the low 70s.

Also, please explain why games like KOTOR, Mass Effect 1, Mass Effect 2, and DAI all won a slew of GOTY awards while MEA probably wont even be in the GOTY conversation?

Please, explain....

I'm not going to speak for anyone and I know your comment wasn't directed at me, but I'll throw in my two cents for whatever they're worth. It's not that there can't be negative discussion about Andromeda. But here we are, four months after release and after some seriously heavy patching, and my question is, do you still really feel the need to pile on? If so, why? Four months after the release of a game you really really didn't like, and you're still here? Posting about why you didn't like it? I honestly can't bring myself to understand that compulsion.

This game had one of the worst launches I've seen recently, but I'd venture to guess that those of us who've played it to completion are more likely to have ended up enjoying the game than not. We've heard all the negativity, the complaints, the memes, the jokes, repeatedly and from all sides. I just started a new playthrough yesterday and there are still quite a few animation issues that I'd like addressed, but it doesn't prevent me from enjoying the game. So, at this point, what's necessary about posting a list of grievances? Yes, there are things I think could be better, some are technical and some are personal preference, but I still enjoy being the Pathfinder.

I don't think this game has "crazed MEA fans" because most of us just ignore the bad because, again, we've heard it. We get it. We've played it. There are things I don't like that are never going to get fixed, because that's the implementation the devs wanted, so that's what we have. I don't expect the game to change a great deal from its current patch, so I'll still see funky facial animations when Ryder first boards the Tempest and I'll live with it. It's not game-breaking, and at this point it's barely an annoyance. But posting a list of grievances isn't going to change the game and it isn't going to make it better and we can argue about sales numbers all we want and never reach a consensus, but in the end, the real question for me is whether we will be getting additional content. I want additional content. You are unlikely to buy additional content, so Bioware isn't marketing to you. Bioware is marketing to people like me who will buy it if/when it's released.

So, I mean, if it's still super important that you air grievances, then by all means feel free. There are no forum rules against it. But I'm past the point of caring what your opinion is because you have no interest in seeing Andromeda be successful, and you even seem to enjoy bringing up shoddily researched articles about no DLC to people who are hoping for one. Why do that? What do you get out of seeing people be disappointed when it's something you're not going to buy anyway? It's not that you're negative, it's that you honestly seem to enjoy bringing things up things that will make people unhappy. That's not only annoying, but has the appearance of at least a degree of hostility. It's the equivalent of going to a party you hated and four months later continuing to tell the other guests that you not only thought the punch was awful, but that it was also a crappy party. No one cares anymore.

This subforum is a big echo chamber for pro-ME:A opinions. Pro-ME:A speculation is amplified by the collective megaphone regardless of how wild or far-fetched it is. In contrast, any and all opinions that go against the established mindset are immediately attacked. Dissent is not welcomed here.

I strongly support people voicing their favorable opinions of the game. If you love ME:A you should say so. That also means that people who don't like it should be able to express their views regardless of how frequent or prevalent these are expressed. There is not limit on how much you can say you love or dislike Andromeda.

The situation here is similar to r/masseffect a few months back. We had to deal with Fandromedan onslaught any time we expressed our concerns with ME:A. Even innocuous questions about it were immediately downvoted unless they signaled they "loved" Andromeda. Simply put r/masseffect was cult-like for some time.

Our remedy was mostly to wait out the Fandromedans implosion with a few PR tactics here and there. We tried to link to somewhat neutral r/games whenever possible to bring in more balanced opinions and we put the spotlight on the most "dedicated" Fandromedans to show the zaniness. Overall we mostly sat back and did drive by commenting.

The strategy worked well. We ran out a few Fandromedans and the remaining ones toned it down. There's only one really "dedicated" Fandromedan and this fellow is insta-downvoted. Our sub is more or less neutral although still slightly pro-ME:A (as it should be).

I believe those of you who want talk constructively about Andromeda would be wise to wait out the negative posters like suikoden or the even more numerous delusional posters (Biodromedans?). This subforum should be enjoyable a year from now with our without DLC announcement after the cultish Biodromedans move on.

The rest of us just want to talk Mass Effect.