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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2017 19:07:43 GMT
Her romance is completely within the bounds of the canon. In ME2 she takes supplements and antibiotics in order to grant herself time outside of her suit. Afterwards, she is quite sick even with the assistance of the medications she took. In ME3 her body has more or less built up a defense against Shep's germs for a lack of better terms. Even then, she still gets a bit sick after the second encounter. The canon states that quarians have very weak immune systems, not no immune system. How could quarians even reproduce if they couldn't take their suits off ever? Bang someone twice and you're immune to their gems? Avoid deadly illnesses with flue shots and vitamin supplements? media2.giphy.com/media/l3fZOxBdAIOiyt8CQ/giphy.gifExplained above. Not gonna bother rehashing here.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Jul 17, 2017 19:11:19 GMT
Which is complete nonsense. Tali talks about how even doing all that it would take decades if not centuries to get acclimated to living outside their suits, yet in the romance literally just a few times with Shepard at most she is completely adapted. And even when she isn't, all she gets is a bad cold despite all the times it's mentioned that the slightest thing would hospitalize or kill them. The romance completely trivializes the situation the Quarians are in. The Quarians reproduce in clean rooms, rooms built to be completely sterile. Shepard's quarters are not that. Living outside their suits full time, not for a brief stint under the sheets is what she is referring to acclimating to. As far as hospitalize or killing them, that refers to injuries in which the skin barrier is broken either by a weapon or some other means. I.e. infections through the most vulnerable vector like gunshot wounds or cutting/stabbing damage by bladed weapons. It doesn't trivialize the quarian condition at all. All Tali can spare (with significant medical aid) is a brief 15 minutes outside of her suit. That's not what she says. She says she is completely adapted to Shepard. Also, that's not how acclimatizing works. Going at it in brief stints would take longer, not quicker, to get adapted. No, it doesn't. Tali says, and I quote, "A single kiss could put me in the hospital." They do a lot more than kiss, and yet only a couple hours or so later she only has a bad cold and fights and full capacity rather than being like she says they would be.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Jul 17, 2017 19:12:06 GMT
Well, Shepard is not planning to reproduce, so giving the option to continue the romance without forcing Tali out of the suit would have been nice. A friendship does not a romance make. So people are only in a romantic relationship if they have sex?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2017 19:15:44 GMT
Well, Shepard is not planning to reproduce, so giving the option to continue the romance without forcing Tali out of the suit would have been nice. A friendship does not a romance make. I agree with what Hanako responded, that plenty of romantic relationships and grand love stories were platonic.
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Most importantly I don't want to argue about that b/c it takes away from the important point which is that Liam should have been an awesome looking Asian LI!!! It would have increased his hotness index plenty
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2017 19:19:47 GMT
Living outside their suits full time, not for a brief stint under the sheets is what she is referring to acclimating to. As far as hospitalize or killing them, that refers to injuries in which the skin barrier is broken either by a weapon or some other means. I.e. infections through the most vulnerable vector like gunshot wounds or cutting/stabbing damage by bladed weapons. It doesn't trivialize the quarian condition at all. All Tali can spare (with significant medical aid) is a brief 15 minutes outside of her suit. That's not what she says. She says she is completely adapted to Shepard. Also, that's not how acclimatizing works. Going at it in brief stints would take longer, not quicker, to get adapted. No, it doesn't. Tali says, and I quote, "A single kiss could put me in the hospital." They do a lot more than kiss, and yet only a couple hours or so later she only has a bad cold and fights and full capacity rather than being like she says they would be. Again quarians have a weak immune system, not no immune system. You really don't thinks it's possible that a sapient species that has a known condition wouldn't be intelligent enough to formulate some form of dug cocktail to temporarily alleviate said problem or that their immune systems would adapt to a small subset of new threats relatively quickly? Not to mention that she explicitly included the word nebulous "could" over the more concrete "would." As far as gameplay mechanics go, Tali takes enough fire to wipe out a legion of krogan alone and all she needs is a quick omnigel patch from Shep and she is good to go. I'd say that is in direct opposition to the lore vs a quick stint outside of her suit. A friendship does not a romance make. So people are only in a romantic relationship if they have sex? That would be the defining barrier between friendship and romance, yes.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2017 19:23:11 GMT
A friendship does not a romance make. I agree with what Hanako responded, that plenty of romantic relationships and grand love stories were platonic.
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Most importantly I don't want to argue about that b/c it takes away from the important point which is that Liam should have been an awesome looking Asian LI!!! It would have increased his hotness index plenty
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Post by ShadowAngel on Jul 17, 2017 19:24:21 GMT
Lamp is real love people.
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Post by Iakus on Jul 17, 2017 19:28:22 GMT
Living outside their suits full time, not for a brief stint under the sheets is what she is referring to acclimating to. As far as hospitalize or killing them, that refers to injuries in which the skin barrier is broken either by a weapon or some other means. I.e. infections through the most vulnerable vector like gunshot wounds or cutting/stabbing damage by bladed weapons. It doesn't trivialize the quarian condition at all. All Tali can spare (with significant medical aid) is a brief 15 minutes outside of her suit. That's not what she says. She says she is completely adapted to Shepard. Also, that's not how acclimatizing works. Going at it in brief stints would take longer, not quicker, to get adapted. No, it doesn't. Tali says, and I quote, "A single kiss could put me in the hospital." They do a lot more than kiss, and yet only a couple hours or so later she only has a bad cold and fights and full capacity rather than being like she says they would be. I believe she also says that just link up two suit environments together is one of the most intimate things two quarians can do, and even then sickness is pretty much guaranteed. Opening oneself up to a non-sterile environment, and engaging in actual..."fluid exchange"?
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Jul 17, 2017 19:30:44 GMT
That's not what she says. She says she is completely adapted to Shepard. Also, that's not how acclimatizing works. Going at it in brief stints would take longer, not quicker, to get adapted. No, it doesn't. Tali says, and I quote, "A single kiss could put me in the hospital." They do a lot more than kiss, and yet only a couple hours or so later she only has a bad cold and fights and full capacity rather than being like she says they would be. Again quarians have a week immune system, not no immune system. You really don't thinks it's possible that a sapient species that has a known condition wouldn't be intelligent enough to formulate some form of dug cocktail to temporarily elevate said problem or that their immune systems would adapt to a small subset of new threats relatively quickly? Not to mention that she explicitly included the word nebulous "could" over the more concrete "would." As far as gameplay mechanics go, Tali takes enough fire to wipe out a legion of krogan alone and all she needs is a quick omnigel patch from Shep and she is good to go. I'd say that is in direct opposition to the lore vs a quick stint outside of her suit. I don't, since that same species goes on and on about how they can't do the things Tali later does without getting really sick or even dying. As I said, it trivializes their situation from being prisoners in their own suits to them just not taking their medicine. So your counterargument is to use the combat? That's simple gameplay-lore segregation. So people are only in a romantic relationship if they have sex? That would be the defining barrier between friendship and romance, yes. You are objectively wrong. Romance =/= Sex. People can be in romantic relationships without having to have sex, just like people can be in sexual relationships without having romantic feelings for each other. There are countless of examples of this for countless of reasons, like wanting to wait, sexual orientation, etc. But according to you all those people are not in romantic relationships simply because they aren't screwing each other. Quite frankly that mindset is disgusting.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2017 19:40:30 GMT
Again quarians have a week immune system, not no immune system. You really don't thinks it's possible that a sapient species that has a known condition wouldn't be intelligent enough to formulate some form of dug cocktail to temporarily elevate said problem or that their immune systems would adapt to a small subset of new threats relatively quickly? Not to mention that she explicitly included the word nebulous "could" over the more concrete "would." As far as gameplay mechanics go, Tali takes enough fire to wipe out a legion of krogan alone and all she needs is a quick omnigel patch from Shep and she is good to go. I'd say that is in direct opposition to the lore vs a quick stint outside of her suit. I don't, since that same species goes on and on about how they can't do the things Tali later does without getting really sick or even dying. As I said, it trivializes their situation from being prisoners in their own suits to them just not taking their medicine. So your counterargument is to use the combat? That's simple gameplay-lore segregation. That would be the defining barrier between friendship and romance, yes. You are objectively wrong. Romance =/= Sex. People can be in romantic relationships without having to have sex, just like people can be in sexual relationships without having romantic feelings for each other. There are countless of examples of this for countless of reasons, like wanting to wait, sexual orientation, etc. But according to you all those people are not in romantic relationships simply because they aren't screwing each other. Quite frankly that mindset is disgusting. 1. Not gonna agree there ever, apparently. The quarian lore leaves room for Tali's romance, imo. There are in-lore explanations for such. Whether or not you chose to accept them is your problem, not mine. You view the lore as a contained system that has no room for exceptions or alternative explanations, whist I view it as a living document that can change and is not set in stone. To each their own. 2. I am entitled to my own worldviews as you are to yours. If you think that is "disgusting," then tough shit. I care not.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2017 19:41:16 GMT
That's not what she says. She says she is completely adapted to Shepard. Also, that's not how acclimatizing works. Going at it in brief stints would take longer, not quicker, to get adapted. No, it doesn't. Tali says, and I quote, "A single kiss could put me in the hospital." They do a lot more than kiss, and yet only a couple hours or so later she only has a bad cold and fights and full capacity rather than being like she says they would be. I believe she also says that just link up two suit environments together is one of the most intimate things two quarians can do, and even then sickness is pretty much guaranteed. Opening oneself up to a non-sterile environment, and engaging in actual..."fluid exchange"? As stated, there are in-lore explanations given. Accepting them falls fully on you.
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Post by Iakus on Jul 17, 2017 19:42:50 GMT
I believe she also says that just link up two suit environments together is one of the most intimate things two quarians can do, and even then sickness is pretty much guaranteed. Opening oneself up to a non-sterile environment, and engaging in actual..."fluid exchange"? As stated, there are in-lore explanations given. Accepting them falls fully on you. Yes, flue shots and vitamins. We went over this arleady.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2017 19:43:25 GMT
As stated, there are in-lore explanations given. Accepting them falls fully on you. Yes, flue shots and vitamins. We went over this arleady. Yes, we did. Yet you choose to ignore it.
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Post by Iakus on Jul 17, 2017 19:51:34 GMT
Yes, flue shots and vitamins. We went over this arleady. Yes, we did. Yet you choose to ignore it. I didn't ignore it, I dismissed it as ridiculous, because it is Critical Research Failure
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2017 19:55:39 GMT
Yes, we did. Yet you choose to ignore it. I didn't ignore it, I dismissed it as ridiculous, because it is Critical Research FailureIt is part of the lore and is canon, like it or not. Whether you feel it is a flimsy excuse or a concrete reason is entirely irrelevant. Feel free to continue cherrypicking bits of lore that you like and dismissing bits you don't Btw, many aspects of ME can be classified as CRF tropes. Lets not go there.
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Post by Iakus on Jul 17, 2017 19:59:16 GMT
It is part of the lore and is canon, like it or not. Whether you feel it is a flimsy excuse or a concrete reason is entirely irrelevant. Feel free to continue cherrypicking bits of lore that you like and dismissing bits you don't Btw, many aspects of ME can be classified as CRF tropes. Lets not go there. I choose the lore that says "just breathing another person's air is dangerous for quarians" Which is just as valid, lore-wise, was introduced sooner, and wasn't put in place just so players could bang Tali. And since this is going way off topic, I'm out.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Jul 17, 2017 20:00:03 GMT
Yes, we did. Yet you choose to ignore it. I didn't ignore it, I dismissed it as ridiculous, because it is Critical Research FailureOfftopic, but lol at Calvin and Hobbes being the pictured example.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2017 20:02:38 GMT
It is part of the lore and is canon, like it or not. Whether you feel it is a flimsy excuse or a concrete reason is entirely irrelevant. Feel free to continue cherrypicking bits of lore that you like and dismissing bits you don't Btw, many aspects of ME can be classified as CRF tropes. Lets not go there. I choose the lore that says "just breathing another person's air is dangerous for quarians" Which is just as valid, lore-wise, was introduced sooner, and wasn't put in place just so players could bang Tali. And since this is going way off topic, I'm out.
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Post by KaiserShep on Jul 17, 2017 21:17:26 GMT
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Post by Psychevore on Jul 17, 2017 23:19:33 GMT
I don't particularily dislike any squadmate to be honest. I quite like them . Didn't really care for Liam that much at first, but his romance is adorable and I did it with a smile on my face the whole time. (which is the first for me when romancing a male. I was mostly just angry after Solas )
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