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Post by sjsharp2010 on Jul 16, 2017 19:55:38 GMT
No can do, EA are releasing Battlefront 2 on November. yeah it would have clashed with Battlefront 2. Whilst I agree it should have been delayedI think only an extra 2 or 3 months would have been enough as the game is now in a presentable and good state. The game was just a little to unpolished and buggy at launch but for me at least underneath all that at least for me i felt like it had the makings of a good game. Now that it's received a few badly needed patches to whip it into shape it's starting to show it.
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Post by maximusarael020 on Jul 16, 2017 20:01:27 GMT
TW3 launched with some game-breaking, save-corrupting bugs, but was still praised because the basics of animation, gameplay, etc were all working as expected. Nah, Witcher 3 got praised because the same pandering hacks who kissed the backsides of the anti-BioWare trolldom also pandered to Witcher 3 fanboys who would have harassed and threatened any reviewer who was rightfully critical of the pile of glitch-riddled poorly-written garbage CDPR shoved out. K.
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Post by SofNascimento on Jul 16, 2017 20:06:54 GMT
It game might be less buggy with that additional time, but the main issues with Andromeda would still be there.
They had 5 years to make this game, time wasn't the issue.
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Post by smilesja on Jul 16, 2017 20:07:28 GMT
Well, I'm not sure about November, but Q1 '17 instead of Q4 '16 would probably have helped. It would have allowed for more polish, meaning the promotional material would have been better (facial animations, backwards gun, bad AI in fiend, etc), so less memes and whatnot, and maybe a more traditional advertising campaign. I do think that the hate generated by the ME3 endings, the lack of Shep, the move to the Milky Way, and Manveir Heir would still have stuck around and been almost as loud, but in having a good game with good polish, those complaints get drowned out by praise. TW3 launched with some game-breaking, save-corrupting bugs, but was still praised because the basics of animation, gameplay, etc were all working as expected. Given until the end of Q1 '17, MEA would have been in a very similar state, having the good animations we see now, most glitches eliminated, and the Jaal male romance incorporated. I'm not sure about that there were a fair bit of animation problems at lauch for the witcher 3
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Post by SofNascimento on Jul 16, 2017 20:07:39 GMT
TW3 launched with some game-breaking, save-corrupting bugs, but was still praised because the basics of animation, gameplay, etc were all working as expected. Nah, Witcher 3 got praised because the same pandering hacks who kissed the backsides of the anti-BioWare trolldom also pandered to Witcher 3 fanboys who would have harassed and threatened any reviewer who was rightfully critical of the pile of glitch-riddled poorly-written garbage CDPR shoved out. Jesus, man.
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Post by smilesja on Jul 16, 2017 20:08:36 GMT
Nah, Witcher 3 got praised because the same pandering hacks who kissed the backsides of the anti-BioWare trolldom also pandered to Witcher 3 fanboys who would have harassed and threatened any reviewer who was rightfully critical of the pile of glitch-riddled poorly-written garbage CDPR shoved out. Jesus, man. To be honest it's not much different from the rants I read about me a.
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Post by kino on Jul 16, 2017 20:09:59 GMT
I don't think there's a snowballs chance of it being delayed to November, not with all of the Christmas releases coming out at that time. Throw in the fact that ME:A was obviously the financial buffer for Q4 FY17 and it becomes even less likely. Besides, since most of the "polish" since release has been from user feedback there's a chance that you would have received pretty much the same game, but definitely not patch 1.09. What BioWare needed was a limited public beta test a couple of months before release.
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Post by smilesja on Jul 16, 2017 20:15:47 GMT
Haha I loved TW3 but not for its graphics. It was the music and twists and turns in the side quests that tied into larger quests. I only played it once and beat it, and never played it again though, because it's not a game I felt was needed to be played again. Like reading a novel. It was over and nothing about it would change if opened the book and read it again. That's why I love BW games the most, but I think TW series and TES are a lot of fun too! Try saying you loved me a in another forum. You'll probably get called autistic.
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Post by sjsharp2010 on Jul 16, 2017 20:19:49 GMT
I don't think there's a snowballs chance of it being delayed to November, not with all of the Christmas releases coming out at that time. Throw in the fact that ME:A was obviously the financial buffer for Q4 FY17 and it becomes even less likely. Besides, since most of the "polish" since release has been from user feedback there's a chance that you would have received pretty much the same game, but definitely not patch 1.09. What BioWare needed was a limited public beta test a couple of months before release. Had they not been planning on Battlefron 2's release around then I could see it working but 2 spacey games competing with each other wouldn't have done either game any good so they were right to get it out earlier I think but they tried to get it out too early. Had they tried releasing about now or even a couple of months later than they did say May perhaps they'd have been fine. The game would likely have been bette rrecieved because of it too given there likely wouldn't be as many bugs.
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Post by Andrew Waples on Jul 16, 2017 20:20:08 GMT
Yes, because the people who used edited GIFs and whining about how Peebee isn't a sex object to justify their pathetic vendetta against the game surely wouldn't have done that if the game was released a few months later. I will say this much: much of the most well known memes of the game wouldn't exist had the game been released even in its 1.09 state. No one would give much of a quad about the "face is tired" gag with Addison had her face not looked so stiff and colorful. That stupid comic with Garrus shooting everything in the face probably wouldn't exist, let alone hold up all that much. This image that everyone knows and loves: This was actually fixed if you can believe it. Basically, the worst of MEA's animation pitfalls have been pretty much patched up, with just some little things here and there that are nothing to write forum about. Where is this scene supposed to be in? I don't ever recall getting that face at launch.
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Post by vonuber on Jul 16, 2017 20:22:14 GMT
I think a release now - as in v1.09 - would have been acceptable, as as KaiserShep points out, most of the memes wouldn't exist. Basically EA/Bioware made it far too easy for people to make a snap judgement, especially after the 10hour trial in the state it was released. Hell, I like the game and even I nearly gave up when I lost roughly 30 hours playtime due to the viability bug. If you were on the fence when that happened, then memecity here you come.
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Post by smilesja on Jul 16, 2017 20:23:46 GMT
Try saying you loved me a in another forum. You'll probably get called autistic. That's when they get told to stick a large, jagged metal poll up their ass and see if that's more enjoyable than using a real life condition as slang . Do understand why fluffy is so hostile though. Way too much ridicule and hate towards me a and it's fans. Can't even do a YouTube search about the game without coming across a rant video how it sucked and only biodrones would like it. Like I said it does feel good to fight back but don't defend to what some detractors did a few months ago.
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Post by Andrew Waples on Jul 16, 2017 20:23:51 GMT
Where is this scene supposed to be in? I don't ever recall getting that face at launch. Waking up after dad dies. I always thought it was some photoshop job or something. Like I never got that infamous Assassin's Creed: Unity face thing. Where you can supposedly only see the eyes and the face.
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Post by trinity0 on Jul 16, 2017 20:25:46 GMT
The animation is not the main problem of MEA. MEA ist the first ME Game where i dislike the story and also any of the companions. I had to force myself to do the loyalty mission because i really want to put all of them back to cryio. But thats only my opinion
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Post by smilesja on Jul 16, 2017 20:30:17 GMT
Do understand why fluffy is so hostile though. Way too much ridicule and hate towards me a and it's fans. Can't even do a YouTube search about the game without coming across a rant video how it sucked and only biodrones would like it. Like I said it does feel good to fight back but don't defend to what some detractors did a few months ago. I know. I let my hate go, but will I ever forgive what was done to me over Jaal? Never. I will also never forgive the hate that nearly ruined MEA, the one bright spot in my life when I was suffering from horrible health issues months ago, and how during my suffering I was attacked and humiliated and even sicker because of this game. Right now though, I can't find any reason to lash out unless someone provoked me really badly. I am so emotionally drained atm. The biggest issue is people don't want understand each other.
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Post by bigbad on Jul 16, 2017 20:41:24 GMT
It game might be less buggy with that additional time, but the main issues with Andromeda would still be there. They had 5 years to make this game, time wasn't the issue. Pretty much this. IMO, If everything (or at least most things) beside the animations had been stellar at launch, the memes would probably have been largely forgotten after the positive reviews came out.
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Post by smilesja on Jul 16, 2017 20:43:49 GMT
I really doubt that.
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Post by majesticjazz on Jul 16, 2017 20:50:54 GMT
Why? ( i) They would have an additional 7-8 months to polish the game and make it even better than it is now at launch. ( ii) Reviews wouldn't have been soo harsh for a more polished game ( Early 80's maybe?). ( iii) More sales due to better reviews and it being released in the fall. ( iv) Releasing it on * November 7, 2017* would be perfect as it falls on Tuesday which is also the iconic N7 Day. ( v) Wouldn't have to compete with other big AAA open-world games such as Horizon and BOTW. EA said they would have provided BioWare as much time as they needed to, then why did BioWare not delay the game to further polish it? Was EA actually secretly forcing them to release it early or did BioWare just wanted it to get out of the gates asap? Thoughts?
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Post by bigbad on Jul 16, 2017 20:52:35 GMT
Yeah before the game was out they were already making memes lol That's exactly what I'm saying, though. People were making memes about the animations before they'd experienced much or any of the game. If the actual experience of the game (besides some of the animations) at launch had been amazing, reviews would have been higher. This would have taken the wind out of the meme-sails, at least among those who were on the fence. Instead, the reviews largely reinforced the memes because the game had (and has) many other problems besides the animations. Of course there would have been trolls that would have hated it, but they were never going to buy it anyway. As somebody who wanted to love the game but didn't, that's how I see it anyway. Edit: to add clarification.
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Post by kino on Jul 16, 2017 20:56:06 GMT
Truth. BioWare's not going to change the mind of anyone who's mantra after ME:A's release was "bring back Shepard and go back to the Milky Way" or "remaster the OT." Even if the game had been polished to a mirror sheen all that would have been seen was a bump up in critical reviews.
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Post by abaris on Jul 16, 2017 20:57:19 GMT
EA said they would have provided BioWare as much time as they needed to, then why did BioWare not delay the game to further polish it? Was EA actually secretly forcing them to release it early or did BioWare just wanted it to get out of the gates asap? Thoughts? EA said is in conflict with the actual release date. To push it out before the end of the fiscal year. That speaks louder than any EA statement, since shareholder expectations are tied to this date as well as bonusses tied to certain amounts of gross income.
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Post by majesticjazz on Jul 16, 2017 21:27:17 GMT
That's exactly what I'm saying, though. People were making memes about the animations before they'd experienced much or any of the game. If the actual experience of the game (besides some of the animations) at launch had been amazing, reviews would have been higher. This would have taken the wind out of the meme-sails, at least among those who were on the fence. Instead, the reviews largely reinforced the memes because the game had (and has) many other problems besides the animations. Of course there would have been trolls that would have hated it, but they were never going to buy it anyway. As somebody who wanted to love the game but didn't, that's how I see it anyway. Edit: to add clarification. I agree actually. I said it many posts back that EA pushing for the game to be out in March gave them ammo to use against the game. That's why they are doing the trial again. This is a chance for people to see what the game was meant to be like, and I noticed the new patches are beginning to silence a lot of people who kept using the animations as excuses. It's slow, but they are closing the bleeding wound inflicted by the March launch. To be fair, there was a lot going on besides just animations. Yes, animations and bugs were the most obvious which resulted in the slew of memes and gifs, but there are other problems with MEA such as the open-world execution as an example. But yeah, this new free trial is a move by EA to sort of make things right. Only problem is, you only get 1 chance to make a first impression and unfortunately for EA, a lot of gamers have already moved on and their impression of MEA will always be that of the March version, not today's version. However, I would believe that they have brought some people back, but I doubt they brought them back in large numbers to bring the sales up to what EA originally predicted. But again, unfortunately for EA, the bulk of a game's sales comes in the days/weeks after launch. Unless your game has the name "Grand Theft Auto" in it's title, naturally ALL games no matter the quality will always see a slight drop off in sales the further it is from release. With MEA, it's golden spot for sales has already come and passed and I doubt you will see a surge of 1+ million in new sales or anything like that just because of these patches. The only way I see that happening (long shot) is if EA does a surge of MEA online and TV marketing like they did leading up to launch to advertise the "new look" Andromeda, but agian, I doubt EA will pour millions of dollars into marketing a game that has already launched and received the review scores. But yeah, that would be the only possibility I can see MEA coming back and making large sales. Also, I doubt these patches will change the discussion in terms of putting MEA in the GOTY discussion which is something that EA/Bioware would like as they can use it as a PR push that MEA was nominated for X amount of awards and/or won X amount of awards. In the end, the reputation of MEA is what it is. I mean, goto Youtube and type "Mass Effect Andromeda" into the search and tell me what pops up for you. Also as the OP suggested, releasing right in the middle of Horizon and Zelda did not help either. The only silver lining is that hopefully, the Dragon Age 4 team can learn from what went wrong with MEA and combine that with what went right with DAI and hopefully DA4 will come out as a solid product. Now the only scare with DA4 is that it might run into the same release window as Cyberpunk 2077....
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2017 21:42:08 GMT
Basically, what this thread boils down to is that other developers can release broken shit, but if a BioWare game has a few animation quirks, they deserve all of the harassment and threats they received from a bunch of trolls who never wanted anything but to harass and threaten the devs.
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Post by majesticjazz on Jul 16, 2017 21:42:38 GMT
Well MEA's first impression for me was "I want more!" and quite a few felt that way too, so they did damn good despite the problems that to me did not ruin the game at all. Trying to win back those that hated it for being a disappointment to them might be harder, but there's always new people who will have this version as their first impression, so they still have a chance. I mean if I listened to the ME reviews, I would have played ME2 first like everyone said, and I am so glad I didn't! 2016 was my first ME experience after reading up on all its disastrous history. Nothing stopped me from buying the trilogy despite the horrors I read. I sooo agree about LOZ and HZD! WTF was EA thinking launching it then? It was the worst move they could have made, and they've done a lot of dumb things in the past. 1) Yes, I agree, there will be loads of people who will pick MEA today and for them, this version will be the first impression, not the March version and in that case, that is good news for Bioware. The bad news, is that these people will be far and few as like I said before, it is only natural that a large percentage of sales/money is made during the first few days and weeks after launch, after that, sales always fall off. With MEA, we are ~16+ post launch which is a spot where new sales will be very modest and probably would not be mentioned too much in the next earnings call unless EA doesn't have any other major products that were released. If the content of this 1.09 patch was the first patch released for the game, then yeah, EA would have been able to stop the bleeding but it dragged on too far and for too long. 2) I would suspect that EA was very bullish on MEA and felt confident that it could compete with those games. I mean, afterall, they were exclusive to just one console whereas MEA released on 3 platforms. However what they didn't predict was the overwhelming positive reception those games would get in addition to the overwhelming negative reception MEA got. Not to change the subject, but I said the same thing about DAI. If CDPR stuck to the original November 2014 release for Witcher 3, I doubt DAI would have gotten GOTY and sold so well. Considering how both Cyberpunk 2077 and DA4 are looking to be 2019 releases, it would be bad news moreso for Bioware if DA4 releases near Cyberpunk 2077. But that is for another discussion for another time.
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Post by bigbad on Jul 16, 2017 21:45:42 GMT
Basically, what this thread boils down to is that other developers can release broken shit, but if a BioWare game has a few animation quirks, they deserve all of the harassment and threats they received from a bunch of trolls who never wanted anything but to harass and threaten the devs. Nobody in this thread has said anything remotely like this.
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