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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2017 21:46:50 GMT
the overwhelming negative reception MEA got. No one cares if you can't accept the millions of people who loved Andromeda.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2017 21:51:24 GMT
it was still beaten pretty badly by many fans It really, really must suck when you can't stand how popular a game is and nothing you do will ever change it.
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Post by samhain444 on Jul 16, 2017 21:55:25 GMT
Well MEA's first impression for me was "I want more!" and quite a few felt that way too, so they did damn good despite the problems that to me did not ruin the game at all. Trying to win back those that hated it for being a disappointment to them might be harder, but there's always new people who will have this version as their first impression, so they still have a chance. I mean if I listened to the ME reviews, I would have played ME2 first like everyone said, and I am so glad I didn't! 2016 was my first ME experience after reading up on all its disastrous history. Nothing stopped me from buying the trilogy despite the horrors I read. I sooo agree about LOZ and HZD! WTF was EA thinking launching it then? It was the worst move they could have made, and they've done a lot of dumb things in the past. 1) Yes, I agree, there will be loads of people who will pick MEA today and for them, this version will be the first impression, not the March version and in that case, that is good news for Bioware. The bad news, is that these people will be far and few as like I said before, it is only natural that a large percentage of sales/money is made during the first few days and weeks after launch, after that, sales always fall off. With MEA, we are ~16+ post launch which is a spot where new sales will be very modest and probably would not be mentioned too much in the next earnings call unless EA doesn't have any other major products that were released. If the content of this 1.09 patch was the first patch released for the game, then yeah, EA would have been able to stop the bleeding but it dragged on too far and for too long. 2) I would suspect that EA was very bullish on MEA and felt confident that it could compete with those games. I mean, afterall, they were exclusive to just one console whereas MEA released on 3 platforms. However what they didn't predict was the overwhelming positive reception those games would get in addition to the overwhelming negative reception MEA got. Not to change the subject, but I said the same thing about DAI. If CDPR stuck to the original November 2014 release for Witcher 3, I doubt DAI would have gotten GOTY and sold so well. Considering how both Cyberpunk 2077 and DA4 are looking to be 2019 releases, it would be bad news moreso for Bioware if DA4 releases near Cyberpunk 2077. But that is for another discussion for another time. TW3 AND DAI are different games though. One game is a party based, multi-choice RPG that is driven my it's characters and where the protagonist can be almost whatever the player want a them to be. The other is a limited-choice RPG with an unchanging protagonist in a beautifully realized open world. It has more differences than similarities and the only reason they are vaguely compared is because of an open world and swords are involved. Also, it's a good thing TW3 didn't come out in Nov 2014 because it was buggy enough with 6 month additional dev time. I played over 200hrs of the Witcher 3, enough for 2 playthroughs with all the expansions, and I have no desire to go back to it. I've played DAI infinitely more and want to go back at some point. It earned it's GOTY
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Post by abaris on Jul 16, 2017 21:57:05 GMT
To be fair, there was a lot going on besides just animations. Yes, animations and bugs were the most obvious which resulted in the slew of memes and gifs, but there are other problems with MEA such as the open-world execution as an example. But yeah, this new free trial is a move by EA to sort of make things right. Begs the question with whom do they want to make it right. It's obviously geared at new customers, not the ones already owning the game. Bringing back people is also not the goal, since you don't bring them back with a free trial when they already owned and played the game. It's obviously a move to interest a second wave of customers. We, as in people who already played it, don't profit one way or the other by that free trial. I find it peculiar and nearly unheard of that any company offers a free trial four months after release. I have my own thoughts about that, but they obviously are pure speculation.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2017 21:58:16 GMT
I find it peculiar and nearly unheard of that any company offers a free trial four months after release. I have my own thoughts about that, but they obviously are pure speculation. Most games don't have a horde of psychopaths spouting bullshit about the game that can be disproven by simply letting anyone with a brain play the game for five minutes.
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Post by guanxi on Jul 16, 2017 22:15:18 GMT
If they are planning DLC they could time it's release to coincide with the holidays and bundle it with an Ultimate Edition 4k re-release for the Xbox One: X and PS4 Pro.
With some exciting new content to showcase and a new 4k marketing push perhaps the game could find a second wind and renewed sales might bring sales in line with expectations and possibly convince EA/BioWare to bring the series back from the brink of death.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2017 22:17:07 GMT
If they are planning DLC they could time it's release to coincide with the holidays and bundle it with an Ultimate Edition 4k re-release for the Xbox One: X and PS4 Pro. With some exciting new content to showcase and a new 4k marketing push perhaps the game could find a second wind and renewed sales might bring the series back from the brink of death. Keep on deluding yourself into thinking that the series is on the brink of death. If you keep on repeating it, it'll never come anyway!
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Post by majesticjazz on Jul 16, 2017 22:20:47 GMT
To be fair, there was a lot going on besides just animations. Yes, animations and bugs were the most obvious which resulted in the slew of memes and gifs, but there are other problems with MEA such as the open-world execution as an example. But yeah, this new free trial is a move by EA to sort of make things right. Begs the question with whom do they want to make it right. It's obviously geared at new customers, not the ones already owning the game. Bringing back people is also not the goal, since you don't bring them back with a free trial when they already owned and played the game. It's obviously a move to interest a second wave of customers. We, as in people who already played it, don't profit one way or the other by that free trial. I find it peculiar and nearly unheard of that any company offers a free trial four months after release. I have my own thoughts about that, but they obviously are pure speculation. Normally when I think of a free trial, I think of MMOs, like SWTOR. I remember after subscribers fell off months after launch, Bioware came out with free trails that allows you to play for a certain amount of hours or up to a certain level to entice people to sub which eventually leads to more revenue through subs and cartel coins (heavy emphasis on Cartel Market is why I stopped playing swtor). Who knows, only time will tell what this free trial does for MEA.
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Post by guanxi on Jul 16, 2017 22:22:37 GMT
If they are planning DLC they could time it's release to coincide with the holidays and bundle it with an Ultimate Edition 4k re-release for the Xbox One: X and PS4 Pro. With some exciting new content to showcase and a new 4k marketing push perhaps the game could find a second wind and renewed sales might bring the series back from the brink of death. Keep on deluding yourself into thinking that the series is on the brink of death. If you keep on repeating it, it'll never come anyway! If we see Mass Effect again within the next 5 or so years I will personally apologise to you on this very forum and admit I was wrong. We will see Anthem 2 before we will see another Mass Effect of that I have no doubt.
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Post by abaris on Jul 16, 2017 22:24:28 GMT
Who knows, only time will tell what this free trial does for MEA. I tend to think that it's an admission of original sales not meeting expectations. But that's, as I said, pure speculation. I might be entirely wrong. But I'm certain that it's only a marketing move to gain additional revenue by drawing in new audiences. No deeper meaning involved.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2017 22:28:09 GMT
I tend to think that it's an admission of original sales not meeting expectations. Because that's what you desperately want to believe about the game, in spite of all available evidence.
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Post by abaris on Jul 16, 2017 22:29:48 GMT
It did sell well, but I think they know it could have surpassed their highest expectations (shutting up naysayers) if they had launched it as it is now. That's why I always keep saying, number crunching leads nowhere. We don't know what company expectations looked like in terms of sales and revenue. There are so many variables involved that sales numbers alone don't tell us much.
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Post by abaris on Jul 16, 2017 22:31:52 GMT
Because that's what you desperately want to believe about the game, in spite of all available evidence. Be a darling and STFU, won't you? Well, unless you have something to contribute instead of constantly repeating yourself.
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Post by Monica21 on Jul 16, 2017 22:35:37 GMT
It's obvious they expected it to be on par with Zelda and Horizon Dawn. I have no idea why they would have expected that. I could have told that they were going to get, at best, mixed fan reaction. You'll always have a set of fans who will not forgive Bioware for the ME3 ending. Those fans have unfortunately loud voices and have a lot of sway over public opinion. Now, higher scores from the gaming media could have helped with that, but there was never going to be a strongly favorable fan response to Andromeda.
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Post by abaris on Jul 16, 2017 22:35:47 GMT
How about you fucking losers find a forum for games you LIKE, instead of trying to be a fucking shitstain on the fandom of a game you want the developers of to die?
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Post by henkiedepost on Jul 16, 2017 22:35:47 GMT
None of the people whining about the game months before it came out would have changed their tunes. None of the pandering "journalists" would have decided against kissing the butts of people who want to see the game fail. And none of that would have made any difference to the game selling well, no matter how much the above people desperately want to pretend otherwise. Quit pretending that all of the people devoted to making life hell for BioWare fans and devs would have EVER wanted anything but to make life hell for BioWare fans and devs. I normally don't do this because I want to keep the peace but please, for the love of God, calm down. I see you raging about 'haters' in every thread but you couldn't be further away from the truth. Yes, there are trolls, but there are also more than enough people who voice their dissapointment in a nice and calm manner. Don't give people the impression that both types of people belong to the same group. There were few things I wanted more in the world than this game to succeed (even bought a 2000 euro PC partially for this), but I simply couldn't endorse the game the way it was released. It was just... Unfinished. So i've been critical about it in the past but I still have it installed on my PC. I'm planning on playing it in the fall again and hopefully it will then take its place next to the ME trilogy as one of my favorite games of all time. (I gave it a 7 after my first PT). So yes, I'm critical, but no, I do not want to see anybody die or maimed because I was a little bit dissapointed with the end-product. And with me there are countless other civil people who think the same. Please keep that in mind in the future before acting like everyone who didn't give this game a 9+ is a hater hellbend on destroying Bioware as a company.
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Post by bshep on Jul 16, 2017 22:36:09 GMT
It's just an example, but was something that permeated throughout the game. I can name numerous instances where the facial expressions can be janked enough to take me out of the scene in the game's original version. Even as one who loves MEA and will defend it to the death, my eyes still work. True. At least Bioware is actively working on improving several of the game problems (which is more than I can say from the support of a few other companies), but it came to late to avoid all the reddit/youtube trolls.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2017 22:37:57 GMT
I have no idea why they would have expected that. I could have told that they were going to get, at best, mixed fan reaction. You'll always have a set of fans who will not forgive Bioware for the ME3 ending. Those fans have unfortunately loud voices and have a lot of sway over public opinion. Now, higher scores from the gaming media could have helped with that, but there was never going to be a strongly favorable fan response to Andromeda. Nah, all you could tell was that you and your ilk would never shut up and quit harassing fans and the developers for the game not being exactly what you losers wanted. Millions of Mass Effect fans loved Andromeda. And no one gives a crap if you can't stand that.
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Post by bigbad on Jul 16, 2017 22:40:22 GMT
I have no idea why they would have expected that. I could have told that they were going to get, at best, mixed fan reaction. You'll always have a set of fans who will not forgive Bioware for the ME3 ending. Those fans have unfortunately loud voices and have a lot of sway over public opinion. Now, higher scores from the gaming media could have helped with that, but there was never going to be a strongly favorable fan response to Andromeda. Nah, all you could tell was that you and your ilk would never shut up and quit harassing fans and the developers for the game not being exactly what you losers wanted. Millions of Mass Effect fans loved Andromeda. And no one gives a crap if you can't stand that. You're so far around the bend that you can't even tell when people are agreeing with you. Please just stop.
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Post by samhain444 on Jul 16, 2017 22:43:50 GMT
Nah, all you could tell was that you and your ilk would never shut up and quit harassing fans and the developers for the game not being exactly what you losers wanted. Millions of Mass Effect fans loved Andromeda. And no one gives a crap if you can't stand that. You're so far around the bend that you can't even tell when people are agreeing with you. Please just stop. Yeah, seriously, they need to take a break, take a walk, take a valium...something
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Post by abaris on Jul 16, 2017 22:44:11 GMT
Now, higher scores from the gaming media could have helped with that, but there was never going to be a strongly favorable fan response to Andromeda. Which is a first in itself. And rather surprising for me, who knows the inner workings of the media. It's not so much the old conspiracy stpry of ad money driving reviews to ludicrous heights at times, it's more subtle than that. It's not getting invited to early access, interviews or review copies if you don't play ball. But as far as company expectations go, there are lots of things to take into consideration. The budget, the manhours invested and the resources being tied down, being only the most obvious. We all haven't access to this numbers. We don't even have access to total sales, only to estimates. So noone can make a statement about how well or badly the game sold as far as the company is concerned.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2017 22:46:31 GMT
I have no idea why they would have expected that. I could have told that they were going to get, at best, mixed fan reaction. You'll always have a set of fans who will not forgive Bioware for the ME3 ending. Those fans have unfortunately loud voices and have a lot of sway over public opinion. Now, higher scores from the gaming media could have helped with that, but there was never going to be a strongly favorable fan response to Andromeda. Nah, all you could tell was that you and your ilk would never shut up and quit harassing fans and the developers for the game not being exactly what you losers wanted. Millions of Mass Effect fans loved Andromeda. And no one gives a crap if you can't stand that. Millions? Millions of fans loved Andromeda. Mmkkay. I'd say millions may have liked it and enjoyed it but loved it? Nope. Urgh what am I doing, I'm prodding the anti-troll.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2017 22:48:22 GMT
Millions? Millions of fans loved Andromeda. Mmkkay. I'd say millions may have liked it and enjoyed it but loved it? Nope. Yep. No one could possibly think differently than you people and that's why you people need to harass Mass Effect fans for thinking differently than you.
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Post by Cyan_Griffonclaw on Jul 16, 2017 22:49:38 GMT
Why? ( i) They would have an additional 7-8 months to polish the game and make it even better than it is now at launch. ( ii) Reviews wouldn't have been soo harsh for a more polished game ( Early 80's maybe?). ( iii) More sales due to better reviews and it being released in the fall. ( iv) Releasing it on * November 7, 2017* would be perfect as it falls on Tuesday which is also the iconic N7 Day. ( v) Wouldn't have to compete with other big AAA open-world games such as Horizon and BOTW. EA said they would have provided BioWare as much time as they needed to, then why did BioWare not delay the game to further polish it? Was EA actually secretly forcing them to release it early or did BioWare just wanted it to get out of the gates asap? Thoughts? Patch 1.09 was "it" for me. If the game was launched at 1.09, the only complaints (and they are subjective) would've been the writing and pacing. Those are "BIG" issues with BioWare, but it wasn't bad by any means. It was just inconsistent and the VA work needed polish going INTO the sound booth. As far as releasing "as is" falls on BioWare for not delivering on time and EA making good to their investors. All in all, Andromeda is a great title and it appears that many people enjoy the kicking the dead horse (that was Andromeda prior to 1.05) than heading off into different pastures. If you don't like Andromeda, then it's up to you explain what didn't work if you care so much about the franchise. Also, the lower-level developers are drones. They clock in, do their work and hopefully love what they're doing despite the "garbage drama clique" crap that is above their pay grade. They just happen to be the people that watch our forums. I'm not a BioWare cheerleader or fanboy for that matter, but I know veiled or implied bullying when I see it. Enough already. It's well after the hype train has passed for crying out loud. Give it a rest for the Maker's sake. F*** the competitors. BioWare is it's own competition. That's not fanboy speak, that's just how it is.
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Post by abaris on Jul 16, 2017 22:49:56 GMT
This makes me wonder what exactly is EA planning now? Making money by trying to draw in new audiences. That's the only thing that is for certain. If I were them, I would try to hook up as many people as possible to multiplayer. That's where the money lies these days, and that's what needs the least effort to keep going.
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