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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2017 1:24:26 GMT
Yeah that's why I worry with Casey back regarding that stuff in the future. Maybe it'll be alright in the end, but time will tell. I will be watching Anthem closely. I don't think Casey had animosity. I think late 00s was just more Space Marine with Space Babes territory for gaming, as in rather, territory for marketing. That is, few will ruffle SO many feathers, and Casey's not one of those few. ME always moved in a generally progressive direction with every title. Hope I didn't trigger too many with the word 'progressive'. Game dev can have a clumsy aspect - even the most polished seeming titles - and while I wish Kaidan went quite differently, I'm glad they tried something out. Same as I'm on the side of glad they tried something with MEA through Jaal. Really a ME5 (or ME6, whatever the point it happens) with a homo male squadmate and I'll never want it again. Its not some rallying against Bioware for me, especially as I'm personally (from who/what I know) certain that there's many in there that would love to get to make that happen. And at that point, I'll have to, *gulp* start recognizing my level of privilege within the series and start advocating for *others* not like me 0_0. Anthem? Eh I dunno. Will there even be any RP worth a damn or is it strict static narrative? You poor soul. You should really let go of that guilt complex.
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Post by Darkstarr11 on Jul 19, 2017 1:27:55 GMT
And I consider that a plus compared to Kaidan. Yeah that's why I worry with Casey back regarding that stuff in the future. Maybe it'll be alright in the end, but time will tell. I will be watching Anthem closely. Not worried about the performance...but can they stick the landing? Dismounting from the rings and landing on your face WILL make people forget whatever amazing skills you showed off on the rings...
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Post by bakgrind on Jul 19, 2017 1:28:22 GMT
It's good PR and a common sense move for EA to bring back someone whom intimately knows the inner workings of the studio very well. At least his appointment might relax some of the negativity that Bioware has gotten from fans and media alike.Let's hope that he can stay on top of all the projects and become a more effective manager than what I believe that Bioware has lacked over the years. I still wont be interested in Anthem since it just wont be my type of game, but I do wish it well and hope that there is still a future for their older series as well.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2017 1:33:49 GMT
The guy who dreamt up the ME3 ending, and the whole "let's go to Andromeda" thing coming back is a good thing? With co-responsible Mac Walters still there. Why should this be good? A team of writers dreamed up the ME3 ending. Casey was responsible for ME1 through ME3, and they didn't spend all that time going around in circles trying out different things. They had a set plan and they didn't completely scrap everything like MEA team did once or twice.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Jul 19, 2017 1:35:58 GMT
The guy who dreamt up the ME3 ending, and the whole "let's go to Andromeda" thing coming back is a good thing? With co-responsible Mac Walters still there. Why should this be good? A team of writers dreamed up the ME3 ending. Casey was responsible for ME1 through ME3, and they didn't spend all that time going around in circles trying out different things. They had a set plan and they didn't completely scrap everything like MEA team did once or twice. Nope, only two: Casey Hudson and Mac Walters. The other writers weren't involved. They also did scrap the original plan.
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Post by linksocarina on Jul 19, 2017 1:49:02 GMT
A team of writers dreamed up the ME3 ending. Casey was responsible for ME1 through ME3, and they didn't spend all that time going around in circles trying out different things. They had a set plan and they didn't completely scrap everything like MEA team did once or twice. Nope, only two: Casey Hudson and Mac Walters. The other writers weren't involved. They also did scrap the original plan. The original plan was scrapped but the only two writers bit is unconfirmed rumors, based in an old post by an account that may have been Patrick Weekes. Emphasis on may.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2017 2:01:22 GMT
Nope, only two: Casey Hudson and Mac Walters. The other writers weren't involved. They also did scrap the original plan. The original plan was scrapped but the only two writers bit is unconfirmed rumors, based in an old post by an account that may have been Patrick Weekes. Emphasis on may. If you're referring to the dark energy ending, that wasn't the original plan. The original plan is just tweaked a bit. Still involved the deactivation of the mass relays. The so-called Catalyst was still in the leaked script, but was referred to the Guardian. The EC references this in the control ending. The outcomes were essentially untouched. They didn't rewrite the whole thing though. Just changed a few things here and there. Like the scene where Harbinger blasts your squadmates. You were initially supposed to see that, but in the release version of the game it was cut to having Shepard wake up and find their corpses on the ground without seeing Harbinger shoot them. The EC does add it back in, but only under really low EMS. As for that rumor, see here, and here
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Post by clips7 on Jul 19, 2017 2:01:33 GMT
Well i didn't go through the 1st 15 pages of this, so i will say even tho Casey was responsible for the ME3 endings ( yeah they could have been better, but i wasn't calling for this guy's head) I felt that ME3 from start to finish was an intense journey filled with dread/desperation and hopelessness....That game was a better overall experience than the lackluster story Andromeda tried to tell.
Early in my Andromeda experience i actually fell asleep while playing it. That's how boring parts of it was. If he can bring back some of that magic from the trilogy, Andromeda 2 will be a game that i will look forward to....and the story doesn't have to be another galaxy wide/universal threat....you can make interesting stories and characters without it having to be so drastic or on such a wide scope.
I could play ME3 ten times over compared to Andromeda with those endings everybody complained about....hopefully the next game will be more linear and contained in terms of fetch quests (get rid of those) and tell a more cohesive story.
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Post by fatherjerusalem on Jul 19, 2017 2:06:40 GMT
So we're back to "the ME3 ending is literally worse than cancer, or AIDS, or CANCERAIDS!!11!11!11111!!!!11oneone!11!"
Well. At least it's a change from "MEA is literally worse than cancer, or AIDS, or CANCERAIDS!!11!!1!11!11111!!11oneone!11!1111!!!!"
Not a good change, but a change.
Frankly, I'm happy to have Casey back because - if nothing else - he clearly cares about Mass Effect and the future of the Mass Effect franchise.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2017 2:12:39 GMT
Casey is a Bioware veteran. He has been with the team since Baldurs Gate 2 and all the way through the Mass Effect trilogy, whatever your feelings are on the ending of Mass Effect, it is good to have him back in a leadership position. Sad news however is that Aaryn is stepping down. Can't have been easy to fill the shoes of the doctors, and under EA leadership aswell, it must have been tough. We'll see what the future holds.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2017 2:14:40 GMT
The doctors also had quite a hand in shaping the franchise. Wouldn't be the same without them.
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Post by edisnooM on Jul 19, 2017 2:28:26 GMT
Well mixed opinion on this. Hudson did create KoTOR and Mass Effect, both of which I loved. However he also burnt Mass Effect to the ground, so less enthused on that. I also find it somewhat amusing the two parties responsible for the debacle at the end have been promoted.
If he makes KoTOR 3 however I may forgive him.
Regarding the "rumors" about Hudson and Walters writing the ending, the account the posts were made with was an account on the Penny Arcade forums that had previously been confirmed to be Patrick Weekes. They also weren't entirely disparaging, noting that Hudson was very smart, just maybe a bit too intellectual.
There is also an awful lot of weirdness surrounding the issue, from the poster stating he thought it would get political, to then deleting their account entirely. Chris Priestly stating on BSN-Prime that it was false, and then subsequently deleting his own posts. Chris Priestly by the by even said months down the road when he was promoted that part of his old job as community manager had been to lie to fans.
That combined with the "Speculation from Everyone" leads me to believe that they had no idea what they were doing, or that they believed their own hype enough that they thought they were making the greatest thing since sliced bread.
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Post by maximusarael020 on Jul 19, 2017 2:29:36 GMT
The doctors also had quite a hand in shaping the franchise. Wouldn't be the same without them. Not to out myself as some kind of Bioware noob, but who are "the doctors"?
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Post by Shinobu on Jul 19, 2017 2:38:41 GMT
The doctors also had quite a hand in shaping the franchise. Wouldn't be the same without them. Not to out myself as some kind of Bioware noob, but who are "the doctors"? Ray Muzyka and Greg Zeschuk, the founders of Bioware. They were medical doctors who gave it up in favor of video games, then gave up Bioware in favor of craft brewing. www.polygon.com/2013/1/28/3924078/bioware-greg-zeschuk-beer-diariesBTW, "Mass Effect" is a medical term that describes when you see the displacement of organs due to the presence of a mass on a radiograph but can't quite make out the margins of the mass itself. It also refers to the secondary effects of a mass displacing/compressing organs from which one can infer the presence of a mass.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2017 2:39:08 GMT
The doctors also had quite a hand in shaping the franchise. Wouldn't be the same without them. Not to out myself as some kind of Bioware noob, but who are "the doctors"? The guys that started Bioware, Ray Muzyka and Greg Zeschuk.
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Post by maximusarael020 on Jul 19, 2017 2:44:33 GMT
Thanks, Akraba and Shinobu. I've loved Bioware since KOTOR, but only really started paying attention to forums, development, and other gaming "news" since about 1 year after ME3.
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Post by Obsidian Gryphon on Jul 19, 2017 2:44:39 GMT
He created a great product; MET, and then burnt it to the ground in the last part of the play. I'm not particularly excited or anything at his return. If it is decided that Andro is to go on, I'm unlikely to jump happy even though he's at the helm. I'll just wait and see what he does.
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Post by Shinobu on Jul 19, 2017 2:49:06 GMT
Thanks, Akraba and Shinobu. I've loved Bioware since KOTOR, but only really started paying attention to forums, development, and other gaming "news" since about 1 year after ME3. They retired shortly after ME3 came out (the backlash to the ending may have affected their decision somewhat), so you probably wouldn't have heard of them.
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Post by clips7 on Jul 19, 2017 2:58:44 GMT
IDK...we'll see...i don't know too much on this guys background other than the trilogy, but i enjoyed that ride and if he cam create some of that magic for Andromeda?...i'm down. That scene in ME3 right before Shepard goes up in the now transformed Citadel (where he fights Maurader Shields?... )....that short scene before it where that Reaper obliterates everything and ravaged the whole team? That was some great stuff and showed how desperate and critical that entire scenario was....to be fair Andromeda tried something like that at the end, but it kinda came outta nowhere and felt really forced...like wtf?...where did this come from... ...my point is that even with ME3 endings it told a much better story and was just written better than the Narrative seen in Andromeda...
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Post by fiannawolf on Jul 19, 2017 3:09:10 GMT
Roll the dice. See what happens.
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Post by linksocarina on Jul 19, 2017 3:42:49 GMT
The original plan was scrapped but the only two writers bit is unconfirmed rumors, based in an old post by an account that may have been Patrick Weekes. Emphasis on may. If you're referring to the dark energy ending, that wasn't the original plan. The original plan is just tweaked a bit. Still involved the deactivation of the mass relays. The so-called Catalyst was still in the leaked script, but was referred to the Guardian. The EC references this in the control ending. The outcomes were essentially untouched. They didn't rewrite the whole thing though. Just changed a few things here and there. Like the scene where Harbinger blasts your squadmates. You were initially supposed to see that, but in the RTM version of the game it was cut to having Shepard wake up and find their corpses on the ground without seeing Harbinger shoot them. The EC does add it back in, but only under really low EMS. As for that rumor, see here, and hereReferring to the leaked script actually. And as I said, was an emphasis on may, implying it was wrong. I never believed that rumor to begin with.
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Post by griffith82 on Jul 19, 2017 3:48:17 GMT
Roll the dice. See what happens. 🤢 You did not just.... *throws up even more.*
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Post by SwobyJ on Jul 19, 2017 3:58:00 GMT
My impression of MEA is that it did well, but not as well as hoped, and especially not as well as liked. So far nothing has deterred me from this. If this is the situation, then the series (and indeed DLCs) will continue, but as resources can shift to it, and with perhaps more acceptance to staff shakeups than otherwise. Just an impression, no need to debate or insist on things. All I basically said was, "we don't know..." Sorry, the "no need to debate or insist on things" wasn't directed just at you, but more general. Was only to (try to) make clear that it is totally my opinion. I know what you were saying, and sorry, I was just trying to say similarly ("I don't know.")
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Post by SwobyJ on Jul 19, 2017 3:59:31 GMT
I don't think Casey had animosity. I think late 00s was just more Space Marine with Space Babes territory for gaming, as in rather, territory for marketing. That is, few will ruffle SO many feathers, and Casey's not one of those few. ME always moved in a generally progressive direction with every title. Hope I didn't trigger too many with the word 'progressive'. Game dev can have a clumsy aspect - even the most polished seeming titles - and while I wish Kaidan went quite differently, I'm glad they tried something out. Same as I'm on the side of glad they tried something with MEA through Jaal. Really a ME5 (or ME6, whatever the point it happens) with a homo male squadmate and I'll never want it again. Its not some rallying against Bioware for me, especially as I'm personally (from who/what I know) certain that there's many in there that would love to get to make that happen. And at that point, I'll have to, *gulp* start recognizing my level of privilege within the series and start advocating for *others* not like me 0_0. Anthem? Eh I dunno. Will there even be any RP worth a damn or is it strict static narrative? You poor soul. You should really let go of that guilt complex. I don't feel guilty about much. Why do you think so? That 'gulp' and '0_0' was cheery sarcasm.
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