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Post by rapscallioness on Jul 21, 2017 0:42:38 GMT
Ah, well, shit. I'm glad Casey is back. But I'm heartbroken that Aaryn is leaving. Heartbroken.
Noooooo!
I mean, unless it's something you really want to do. I could see where one would need to step back from all this.
Live long and prosper, Aaryn. You were one of the good ones.
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Post by rapscallioness on Jul 21, 2017 2:09:22 GMT
Roll the dice. See what happens. Haha, good one! Nothing will ever beat this classic though ... Haha!! You found it. Fantastic. lmao. Tweet it. Somebody tweet it to Casey and them..whoever them is.
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Post by edisnooM on Jul 21, 2017 3:00:14 GMT
After catching up on the last few pages I thought I'd post one of my favourite videos that sprung up from the ending.
If you liked Deus Ex and it's endings (BioWare certainly did, Zing!) you'll love Deus Effect: .
It gets especially funny at 6:03, and then again at 12:17.
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Post by Daft Arbiter on Jul 21, 2017 3:22:36 GMT
The Borg in Star Trek were also introduced as an unstoppable force in TNG. A single cube was able to destroy an entire fleet and then, at the end of Voyager, a simple virus and the Voyager, a single ship, more or less obliterated them. Yeah that's really great, but it would have rendered every galactic civilization before completely ridiculous and incompetent if they did something like that in ME. Countless cycles but no one found the Reaper kill tube? That would be so laughably stupid. Wouldn't have to be that convoluted. Treat the Reaper demise more like how a real-life military force is dismantled before a single battle is fought: wear them down. We know that the Reapers hibernate in dark space in order to conserve energy, and that their mechanisms for jumping to the Milky Way (far more energy-efficient than traditional FTL) are destroyed in ME1 and ME2. ME1: Shepard & Friends eliminate Sovereign, vanguard of the Reapers, and stop the Citadel Relay from being activated. The Reapers lose their primary mechanism for reaching the Milky Way, and are forced to exhaust some energy and use the less attractive method of entering via the Alpha Relay. ME2: The Collectors are defeated before they can inflict serious harm, and the Citadel races gain valuable insight from Collector and Reaper technology. The destruction of the Alpha Relay means that Reaper Plan B is a failure - now the Reapers must use their energy reserves to cross dark space without the aid of a relay jump. Then in ME3, change the narrative to something along these lines: Shepard & Friends uncover the truth about the Reapers: the Reapers are on the verge of dying; the previous setbacks have exhausted their energy reserves. Although their invasion of Khar'shan was a success, it does not provide them with enough ground forces and energy reserves to instantly make up for the massive amounts of energy expended to get to Batarian space. The Reapers are launching a multi-pronged attack and an all-in invasion of Earth in a desperate effort to crush resistance so that they can regain their strength. If their initial offensive is delayed for too long, many of the lesser Reaper vessels will simply expire, leaving the capital ships in an extremely vulnerable state. The Reapers, already seriously weakened by the travel to the galaxy, find their ships and forces ill-equipped to deal with a properly organized galactic resistance and many of the lesser vessels are destroyed outright. Now with no other option, the Reapers move the Citadel to Earth to consolidate around what little they have left. With Reaper capital ships in a tight formation around a relatively small area, they intend to draw the allies into a trap by holding Earth hostage. The allies know that an assault against a staunch Reaper defense will be costly, but is the only way to save Earth's populace. Then that takes us to the endgame, which is of course a different matter altogether.
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Post by jaegerbane on Jul 21, 2017 10:37:49 GMT
Do your own research on Branding, and whether or not, as you said, "personal views" or "personal opinions" don't matter. I'm not going to make your argument for you. I don't even understand why you're conflating personal opinions of stuff like Origin and DLC with EA's branding. Bear in mind this came out of a point that despite the odd person's hate for Origin/DLC/everything, it hasn't affected the actual bottom line of EA.
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Post by Spectr61 on Jul 22, 2017 13:39:01 GMT
Do your own research on Branding, and whether or not, as you said, "personal views" or "personal opinions" don't matter. I'm not going to make your argument for you. I don't even understand why you're conflating personal opinions of stuff like Origin and DLC with EA's branding. Bear in mind this came out of a point that despite the odd person's hate for Origin/DLC/everything, it hasn't affected the actual bottom line of EA. I don't expect you to "make my arguments for me". Thank you though. As far as conflating, my opinion is different than yours. If you think I am, fine. I do not. And as for the bottom line, apply the same. I think it does, if you don't, that's fine too. Think what you will, I don't care, nor am I try to persuade you.
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Post by pouf on Jul 22, 2017 13:45:33 GMT
Oh boy, I'm looking forward to people spouting the same crap about ME3's endings that was complete bullshit five years ago and didn't stop being complete bullshit in the meantime.
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Post by jaegerbane on Jul 22, 2017 14:11:42 GMT
I'm not going to make your argument for you. I don't even understand why you're conflating personal opinions of stuff like Origin and DLC with EA's branding. Bear in mind this came out of a point that despite the odd person's hate for Origin/DLC/everything, it hasn't affected the actual bottom line of EA. I don't expect you to "make my arguments for me". Thank you though. As far as conflating, my opinion is different than yours. If you think I am, fine. I do not. And as for the bottom line, apply the same. I think it does, if you don't, that's fine too. Think what you will, I don't care, nor am I try to persuade you. Then what the hell was the point behind your original post in the first place?
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Post by turianlannister on Jul 24, 2017 21:40:41 GMT
So Casey is back? Interesting turn of events. Kind of wondering what this will mean for Mass Effect..to have its creator back...I'm not sure on how to feel on this. On the one side I'm cool but ME3 endings were atrocious. Open to it and we shall see. Drew Karpyshyn is the creator though
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Post by mugwump v1 on Jul 24, 2017 22:10:54 GMT
Oh boy, I'm looking forward to people spouting the same crap about ME3's endings that was complete bullshit five years ago and didn't stop being complete bullshit in the meantime. A great many people took (and continue to take) issue with a great many things to do with that awful ending and were/are absolutely justified in doing so.
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Post by apocalypticham on Jul 25, 2017 16:03:46 GMT
Oh boy, I'm looking forward to people spouting the same crap about ME3's endings that was complete bullshit five years ago and didn't stop being complete bullshit in the meantime. A great many people took (and continue to take) issue with a great many things to do with that awful ending and were/are absolutely justified in doing so. I'm one of those who consider ME2 to be the franchise's first sign of a long series of problems. Now I'm having a hard time deciding how I feel about BW.
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Post by Croatsky on Jul 25, 2017 16:15:12 GMT
So Casey is back? Interesting turn of events. Kind of wondering what this will mean for Mass Effect..to have its creator back...I'm not sure on how to feel on this. On the one side I'm cool but ME3 endings were atrocious. Open to it and we shall see. Drew Karpyshyn is the creator though Drew is not a sole creator of ME universe. Casey Hudson, Mac Walters and Drew Karpyshyn are the trio that created Mass Effect universe.
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Post by Chiantirose on Jul 25, 2017 16:47:46 GMT
Oh boy, I'm looking forward to people spouting the same crap about ME3's endings that was complete bullshit five years ago and didn't stop being complete bullshit in the meantime. A great many people took (and continue to take) issue with a great many things to do with that awful ending and were/are absolutely justified in doing so. Which was okay (some things were okay, threatening people and their family over a game is not okay) when ME3 came out, but to still dig it up and complain about it as some people do is ridiculous. It's been 5 years! I'm pretty sure Casey and BW got the point, move on. At this point it's just beating a dead horse.
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Post by bshep on Jul 25, 2017 17:02:59 GMT
Drew Karpyshyn is the creator though Drew is not a sole creator of ME universe. Casey Hudson, Mac Walters and Drew Karpyshyn are the trio that created Mass Effect universe. Good to see another person who don't buy that crap about Drew.
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Post by griffith82 on Jul 25, 2017 17:06:00 GMT
Drew is not a sole creator of ME universe. Casey Hudson, Mac Walters and Drew Karpyshyn are the trio that created Mass Effect universe. Good to see another person who don't buy that crap about Drew. What crap?
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Post by Croatsky on Jul 25, 2017 17:10:17 GMT
Good to see another person who don't buy that crap about Drew. What crap? People created mythology around Drew being one of the greatest video game writers, which was caused by him leaving ME2 and any shortcoming of that game were explained by Drew's departure. Yet people forget ME novels he wrote were pretty mediocre, as well there was lack of respect of ME lore between games and books. As well when he returned to BioWare to write for SW:TOR, people really didn't like his work despite initial hype. Reality is, Drew is an alright writer that had a great ideas about Mass Effect. But those ideas wouldn't happen without Casey Hudson, person who actually pitched the idea originally, and Mac Walters.
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Post by griffith82 on Jul 25, 2017 17:13:49 GMT
People created mythology around Drew being one of the greatest video game writers, which was caused by him leaving ME2 and any shortcoming of that game were explained by Drew's departure. Yet people forget ME novels he wrote were pretty mediocre, as well there was lack of respect of ME lore between games and books. As well when he returned to BioWare to write for SW:TOR, people really didn't like his work despite initial hype. Reality is, Drew is an alright writer that had a great ideas about Mass Effect. But those ideas wouldn't happen without Casey Hudson, person who actually pitched the idea originally, and Mac Walters. Oh yeah I remember that. Fun times.
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Post by smilesja on Jul 25, 2017 17:19:01 GMT
People created mythology around Drew being one of the greatest video game writers, which was caused by him leaving ME2 and any shortcoming of that game were explained by Drew's departure. Yet people forget ME novels he wrote were pretty mediocre, as well there was lack of respect of ME lore between games and books. As well when he returned to BioWare to write for SW:TOR, people really didn't like his work despite initial hype. Reality is, Drew is an alright writer that had a great ideas about Mass Effect. But those ideas wouldn't happen without Casey Hudson, person who actually pitched the idea originally, and Mac Walters. Didn't he write Revan?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2017 20:49:12 GMT
A great many people took (and continue to take) issue with a great many things to do with that awful ending and were/are absolutely justified in doing so. I'm one of those who consider ME2 to be the franchise's first sign of a long series of problems. Now I'm having a hard time deciding how I feel about BW. I view the series the same way. I like the ME Universe, but I think it has been lacking some creativity and leadership for a good while now.
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Post by OdanUrr on Jul 25, 2017 20:55:54 GMT
People created mythology around Drew being one of the greatest video game writers, which was caused by him leaving ME2 and any shortcoming of that game were explained by Drew's departure. Yet people forget ME novels he wrote were pretty mediocre, as well there was lack of respect of ME lore between games and books. As well when he returned to BioWare to write for SW:TOR, people really didn't like his work despite initial hype. Reality is, Drew is an alright writer that had a great ideas about Mass Effect. But those ideas wouldn't happen without Casey Hudson, person who actually pitched the idea originally, and Mac Walters. Didn't he write Revan? Don't remind me.
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Post by Fen'Harel Faceman on Jul 25, 2017 21:06:28 GMT
I don't agree with everything he says, but he makes some good points about Flynn and Hudson - a rather balanced view in my humble opinion.
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Post by SofNascimento on Jul 25, 2017 21:35:55 GMT
I don't agree with everything he says, but he makes some good points about Flynn and Hudson - a rather balanced view in my humble opinion. It's an interesting and informative video. I'm only in doubt to how much Flynn in actually responsible when it comes to Mass Effect. I don't know if his name even appear on the credits. He certainly wasn't an important figure in its development. In Andromeda in comparison he is the first name.
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Post by malgus on Jul 25, 2017 21:54:20 GMT
People created mythology around Drew being one of the greatest video game writers, which was caused by him leaving ME2 and any shortcoming of that game were explained by Drew's departure. Yet people forget ME novels he wrote were pretty mediocre, as well there was lack of respect of ME lore between games and books. As well when he returned to BioWare to write for SW:TOR, people really didn't like his work despite initial hype. Reality is, Drew is an alright writer that had a great ideas about Mass Effect. But those ideas wouldn't happen without Casey Hudson, person who actually pitched the idea originally, and Mac Walters. I am not much of a fan of casey hudson, but Ill admit that many people gives maybe too much credits to drew karpyhyn who while a competent writer, his writings is FAR from being above crticsm. I read the first novel of ME that he wrote and I founded it... all right, it was ok but that was it. That said I loved SWTOR despite what many thinks of it
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Post by Cyan_Griffonclaw on Jul 25, 2017 21:59:31 GMT
I don't agree with everything he says, but he makes some good points about Flynn and Hudson - a rather balanced view in my humble opinion. It's an interesting and informative video. I'm only in doubt to how much Flynn in actually responsible when it comes to Mass Effect. I don't know if his name even appear on the credits. He certainly wasn't an important figure in its development. In Andromeda in comparison he is the first name. Flynn was GM and he was the overseer of all BioWare products. While Flynn took all the heat after Andromeda's release, I don't think he had direct intervention until Edmonton stepped in (my speculation) to get it back on track. Walters also took over development per the Kotaku article after it was just under two years out from Q4 2016. There's a narrative that EA still had five months beyond March or Q1 2017. That extension was exhausted and no evidence except a horribly, vague quote that alludes to another narrative. Either way, I'm glad Hudson is back and he knows (like the entire world) that he has baggage. Flynn, I really hope, gets time away and finds his happy source again and that he is back with BioWare instead of pumping his talents to another studio.
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Post by smilesja on Jul 25, 2017 22:08:09 GMT
I don't agree with everything he says, but he makes some good points about Flynn and Hudson - a rather balanced view in my humble opinion. I definitely don't agree with everything he says but it looks like a nice video.
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