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Post by linksocarina on Jul 18, 2017 19:59:57 GMT
Aaryn Flynn is one that replaced the doctors when they went to retire, back in 2012. And Aaaryn Flynn worked in BioWare since Neverwinter Nights. And many lead changes happened because many senior developers wanted to do something new, with different studios. So EA primarily promoted already existing BioWare developers from senior to leading positions. It was really a generational change within company, not EA putting their people in BioWare. Which is already silly thing to claim since BioWare is EA, so BioWare people are EA people. Yes and no. EA is clearly keeping the Bioware brand name for a reason. Likely because it has value from the corporate side of things, but I also suspect it has something to do with old EA policy of keeping teams intact as much as possible. That is not something outlandish if you look at the history of the company. It was only under Larry Probst where they sort of "put their own people in" so to speak, although some of those were self-inflicted wounds on the behalf of the developers.
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Post by shechinah on Jul 18, 2017 20:00:58 GMT
This sucks. I really liked Aaryn Flynn, where I have an ambivalent opinion on Casey Hudson. You're posting on a forum about a game that wouldn't exist without Casey Hudson. Wait, so you think people should only praise creators?
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Post by Cyan_Griffonclaw on Jul 18, 2017 20:01:29 GMT
Okay, when did the upheaval occur when just about every lead was bailing on Andromeda? There were 12 lead changes and quite a bit of developers and artistic talent all leaving because of lack of direction or job security past the next quarter. I know when EA took over BioWare. I was happy that it happened after seeing Interplay go broke... then I discovered EA on the internet. Nothing good. So, when the doctors and leads left, that was EA replacing BioWare with EA-hires. Not in 2008. Am I right? Aaryn Flynn is one that replaced the doctors when they went to retire, back in 2012. And Aaaryn Flynn worked in BioWare since Neverwinter Nights. And many lead changes happened because many senior developers wanted to do something new, with different studios. So EA primarily promoted already existing BioWare developers from senior to leading positions. It was really a generational change within company, not EA putting their people in BioWare. Which is already silly thing to claim since BioWare is EA, so BioWare people are EA people. Okay. I find five years in a company to be a short tenure, not a generational change. I hear you though. I get what you're saying.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2017 20:02:23 GMT
You're posting on a forum about a game that wouldn't exist without Casey Hudson. Wait, so you think people should only praise creators? He obviously can't given his stance on ME:A.
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Post by Croatsky on Jul 18, 2017 20:02:40 GMT
Did Aaaryn Flynn even work in Bioware games? In a leading capacity like Hudson? I thought he was just a PR guy that said a lot of "lies" because it was his job. He worked on Neverwinter Nights, KoTOR, Dragon Age Origins, Dragon Age 2 and early development in Dragon Age Inquisition before taking over BioWare Studio General Management in 2012 when Ray Muzyka and Greg Zeschuk retired.
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Post by majesticjazz on Jul 18, 2017 20:02:42 GMT
Anthem confirmed as a massive hit. Best news ever. Hopefully this has a trickle down to the quality of future Mass Effect games. Yeah, I believe the reputation of MEA had a lot to do with this. I mean, it is just to coincidental that one steps down and another comes back. This adds fuel to the Kotaku article that said that the studio was dysfunctional and perhaps Hudson is back to #MakeBiowareGreatAgain
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Post by colfoley on Jul 18, 2017 20:02:47 GMT
i doubt that very much. If the series is canned then the decision was made long before he got there. If the series is going to continue likewise it was made before he got there. And if he moves the series back to the MW...well that game will have to be extraordinarily good...like better then MEA or it will probably be my last MEA game. Quite the opposite. Mass Effect was put on ice because of Andromeda disaster of a reception. The return of Casey Hudson is the type of thing that can put Mass Effect back in EA's plans. And that's even the most important aspect of his return. If MEA2 was announced yesterday, I wouldn't have been excited at all. The main reason being that I don't think Bioware has the talent to make an awesome game. Casey Hudson changes that as well. So Mass Effect is saved twice. as i said it's unknown if Casey can actually produce a great game. He still has to make up for Mass Effect 3. In my eyes Mac did with how well MEA turned out. But we don't know what Casey will do. Though i hope since he was in development that he knows what the teams need. When to push for deadlines and when to Back off.
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Post by alihou on Jul 18, 2017 20:02:54 GMT
Something tells me Flynn was fired, but EA told him to step down instead. EA trying to save face and making Flynn leave on his own terms. Regardless, Hudson is back. This guy destroyed ME3, but at the same time Mass Effect was his baby. So maybe he'll pay extra attention to this franchise after the beating it has taken. I honestly don't know how to feel.
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Post by majesticjazz on Jul 18, 2017 20:03:48 GMT
I see but c'mon ME is his baby, you can bet he is going to influence future development of the franchise one way or the other. He did say "When I look at the stunning progress Aaryn and the team has made with Anthem, and the other projects in the works, I truly believe our best is yet to come." We know MEA is planned as a saga. DA4 is the other project in the works.
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Post by Cyan_Griffonclaw on Jul 18, 2017 20:04:44 GMT
Yes and no. EA is clearly keeping the Bioware brand name for a reason. Likely because it has value from the corporate side of things, but I also suspect it has something to do with old EA policy of keeping teams intact as much as possible. That is not something outlandish if you look at the history of the company. It was only under Larry Probst where they sort of "put their own people in" so to speak, although some of those were self-inflicted wounds on the behalf of the developers. Okay. Thank you.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2017 20:05:55 GMT
Anthem confirmed as a massive hit. Best news ever. Hopefully this has a trickle down to the quality of future Mass Effect games. Yeah, I believe the reputation of MEA had a lot to do with this. I mean, it is just to coincidental that one steps down and another comes back. This adds fuel to the Kotaku article that said that the studio was dysfunctional and perhaps Hudson is back to #MakeBiowareGreatAgain You guys are so quick to forget how badly Hudson drove ME into the ground...
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Post by Cyan_Griffonclaw on Jul 18, 2017 20:06:12 GMT
Something tells me Flynn was fired, but EA told him to step down instead. EA trying to save face and making Flynn leave on his own terms. Regardless, Hudson is back. This guy destroyed ME3, but at the same time Mass Effect was his baby. So maybe he'll pay extra attention to this franchise after the beating it has taken. I honestly don't know how to feel. If anyone is never going to F*** up an ending... it's Hudson. That can be assured. Safe bet as well.
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Post by Oswin on Jul 18, 2017 20:06:22 GMT
Huh. I fee like when he left all I saw were posts that were glad to see the back of him. Now people are happy to have him back? I can never keep up with this fandom.
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Post by Croatsky on Jul 18, 2017 20:07:04 GMT
Something tells me Flynn was fired, but EA told him to step down instead. EA trying to save face and making Flynn leave on his own terms. Regardless, Hudson is back. This guy destroyed ME3, but at the same time Mass Effect was his baby. So maybe he'll pay extra attention to this franchise after the beating it has taken. I honestly don't know how to feel. Why the hell would EA fire Flynn?! Like, it literary makes no goddamn sense. Also from Twitter posts, you can see that Flynn was trying to look to work on something different for long while. Guy wanted to leave his position to work on something on his own. If anything EA was keeping the hold of him for much longer, until they got Hudson to replace him.
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Post by colfoley on Jul 18, 2017 20:08:52 GMT
Something tells me Flynn was fired, but EA told him to step down instead. EA trying to save face and making Flynn leave on his own terms. Regardless, Hudson is back. This guy destroyed ME3, but at the same time Mass Effect was his baby. So maybe he'll pay extra attention to this franchise after the beating it has taken. I honestly don't know how to feel. which is a shame i.liked Flynn.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2017 20:09:01 GMT
Something tells me Flynn was fired, but EA told him to step down instead. EA trying to save face and making Flynn leave on his own terms. Regardless, Hudson is back. This guy destroyed ME3, but at the same time Mass Effect was his baby. So maybe he'll pay extra attention to this franchise after the beating it has taken. I honestly don't know how to feel. Why the hell would EA fire Flynn?! Like, it literary makes no goddamn sense. Also from Twitter posts, you can see that Flynn was trying to look to work on something different for long while. Guy wanted to leave his position to work on something on his own. If anything EA was keeping the hold of him for much longer, until they got Hudson to replace him. Both situations are certainly possible. MOAR SPECULATION FOR EVERYONE!!!1
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Post by Croatsky on Jul 18, 2017 20:09:09 GMT
Huh. I fee like when he left all I saw were posts that were glad to see the back of him. Now people are happy to have him back? I can never keep up with this fandom. Here's a pro tip. This fanbase makes no goddamn sense and it's only consistent on "can I fuck that character?".
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Post by CrutchCricket on Jul 18, 2017 20:09:19 GMT
I'm conflicted due to Casey Hudson, along with Mac Walters, being solely responsible for ME3 endings we got. While sure Hudson created Mass Effect universe, ME3 endings still rub me the wrong way and especially his poor response to controversy at the time. Gotta put faith in the man. He sure learned from his mistakes Citation needed.
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Post by malgus on Jul 18, 2017 20:09:40 GMT
BY the way I just want to say something, its not because casey was the creator of ME that suddenly his return is necessarly a good thing and everybody should feel great just because he was there at the start. He did made huge mistakes before while leading ME.
George lucas created the SW universe, that does not make the prequel movie any better simply because SW would not exist without him. And if he was announced has the responsible ninth star wars people would have all the reason in the world to not be happy if they thought the prequels were bad.
Now maybe hudson will be a great leader for BW, we just don't know, could be good, great, average, less good, wait and see...
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Post by Cyan_Griffonclaw on Jul 18, 2017 20:10:30 GMT
Did Aaaryn Flynn even work in Bioware games? In a leading capacity like Hudson? I thought he was just a PR guy that said a lot of "lies" because it was his job. He worked on Neverwinter Nights, KoTOR, Dragon Age Origins, Dragon Age 2 and early development in Dragon Age Inquisition before taking over BioWare Studio General Management in 2012 when Ray Muzyka and Greg Zeschuk retired. Every title Flynn touched was a step up from the last. He was great leader from the front in this case. His appointment to replace the doctors didn't scare me off from BioWare under EA. It actually made me feel better that someone who poured love into those titles would be GM. Aw man... well... I don't doubt someone will hire him away...
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Post by suikoden on Jul 18, 2017 20:12:22 GMT
You're posting on a forum about a game that wouldn't exist without Casey Hudson. Wait, so you think people should only praise creators? They should get the brunt of it. I'm not gonna praise JK Rowlings editor.
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Post by Croatsky on Jul 18, 2017 20:12:56 GMT
Why the hell would EA fire Flynn?! Like, it literary makes no goddamn sense. Also from Twitter posts, you can see that Flynn was trying to look to work on something different for long while. Guy wanted to leave his position to work on something on his own. If anything EA was keeping the hold of him for much longer, until they got Hudson to replace him. Both situations are certainly possible. MOAR SPECULATION FOR EVERYONE!!!1 Not really, Aaryn gave no reason for EA to try to get rid of him. He had successfully lead BioWare since for past 5 years. And if they wanted to get rid of him, then Anthem is up for trouble too. Which is unlikely and getting Hudson in that position wouldn't change much for Anthem, so... Yeah, it makes no sense to think EA wanted to fire Flynn for... unknown reasons.
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Post by kino on Jul 18, 2017 20:14:09 GMT
Well, Casey's coming back as the GM for BioWare, not the creative lead of a series. I'm glad he's back but he's going to have a lot of balls to juggle. I see but c'mon ME is his baby, you can bet he is going to influence future development of the franchise one way or the other. True, ME was his baby but his focus now has to be on the success of DA, ME, SWTOR and Anthem, not just one game. That's the responsibility of a general manager.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2017 20:16:17 GMT
Both situations are certainly possible. MOAR SPECULATION FOR EVERYONE!!!1 Not really, Aaryn gave no reason for EA to try to get rid of him. He had successfully lead BioWare since for past 5 years. And if they wanted to get rid of him, then Anthem is up for trouble too. Which is unlikely and getting Hudson in that position wouldn't change much for Anthem, so... Yeah, it makes no sense to think EA wanted to fire Flynn for... unknown reasons. Maybe ME:A was enough of a disappointment to EA that they wanted heads to roll. Maybe ME:A was a success for EA and Flynn is just moving on. If he were fired in the way described, we would never know as Flynn wouldn't be allowed to say and EA would never tell. I'm not saying I have the answers and frankly, like ME:A DLC, we don't know at this junction.
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