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Post by OdanUrr on Mar 18, 2021 2:39:12 GMT
Let's cut right to the chase. Is it better? Yes, absolutely. While I still don't think introducing three new characters (Aquaman, Cyborg, Flash) in a Justice League movie was the right way to go, the movie's four-hour runtime fares better fleshing out part of their stories, giving the characters a little more depth and development (not an insane amount though, this is a movie not a miracle), and making every member of the Justice League feel like they meaningfully contributed to stopping Steppenwolf/Darkseid. Let's face it, Whedon's version of Justice League made it seem like everyone was useless until Superman came along and saved their butts. In Snyder's version of Justice League, Batman and Wonder Woman are way more badass, the Flash and Cyborg are instrumental in defeating Steppenwolf/Darkseid (no more Flash competing against Superman to save a handful of civilians), and Superman and Aquaman are mostly the same, although Superman benefits from an in increased screentime to show off his strength and red eyes. Superman, Aquaman, and Wonder Woman, in particular, have a fun ping-pong scene with Steppenwolf where Diana looks like she's enjoying herself as much as when they were fighting Doomsday. The movie has the time to feature a lengthier battle between Darkseid and the Amazons, Atlanteans, humans, and Greek Gods, in the past, and takes the time to better explain what the Mother Boxes are and how they work. As if that weren't enough, it also lays the groundwork for the Anti-Life Equation story and gives us another taste of what a Snyder's Injustice movie might look like, if it ever comes to pass. What this movie doesn't do: - It still doesn't get Batman right. In the movie he's portrayed as more of a team player and often without a clear and well thought-out plan. When he confronts a revived Superman he comes a little better prepared than in Whedon's cut, yes, but Lois' appearance was purely coincidental (I think in Whedon's cut it is suggested it was planned) and Batman still didn't bring any kryptonite as a Plan B or C. This Batman just hopes for the best.
- It still doesn't get The Flash quite right either. Ezra Miller's Flash is still trying too hard to appear funny or cute or clumsy or a combination of all three, what sadly undermines his more dramatic scenes (and there is one that I won't spoil). Having seen Grant Gustin's interpretation of The Flash I can't help but wonder how much better he would've been at conveying emotion during such a pivotal scene.
- It still doesn't make me care about Lois. I mean, I know Clark and Lois love each other because that's how it goes in the comics, but I never felt an ounce of chemistry between them. No, wait, on second thought, an ounce is too much, I should've said a gram.
- It doesn't have a memorable soundtrack. I can only recall one track, kinda, because of the scene it played in. Nothing else stood out.
However, if all you wanted was an upgraded version of Justice League, with more lore and character development, far better action (it's not even comparable), team dynamics and antagonists (yes, Steppenwolf comes across as more of a menace in this), Snyder's cut of Justice League is the best you're gonna get, although it's probably not the best version of this movie that could've been made. Still, I think it oscillates between a 7 or an 8 for me, if numbers are your thing, but I've only just finished watching it. PS: Just wanted to share that one track I mentioned above. The best part starts at 01:31. Combine it with the visuals and it's great.
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Post by Patricia on Mar 18, 2021 7:42:21 GMT
I rewatched this *snip* movie again and my only wish would be that they made a remastered Blu-Ray copy of this. Did you know this is a remake of a French movie? Oh you mean La Totale ... then yes.
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Post by Obadiah on Mar 18, 2021 18:36:40 GMT
OdanUrr Did you catch the explanation of why Superman was wearing black? I read the original comic, and it was while he was resurrected and underpowered (think the Eradicator might have given it to him). Didn't quite catch the meaning in this movie.
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Post by DragonKingReborn on Mar 18, 2021 19:50:32 GMT
Finished The Only Version of Justice League That Exists Now at about 1.45 this morning...mainlining coffee as I type. Just as the "Ultimate Edition" is an orders of magnitude better film than the theatrical cut, this is a night and day difference to what we saw in 2017. OdanUrr covered off a lot of it, so I won't repeat, but how messed up must the reshoots have been when a Zack Snyder film is funnier and possesses more heart than a Joss Whedon one...? It was interesting to see the number of 2017 scenes that made it in (the number is higher than I thought it would be) and how they played with the new/but actually old scenes filmed by Snyder. id you catch the explanation of why Superman was wearing black? I read the original comic, and it was while he was resurrected and underpowered (think the Eradicator might have given it to him). Didn't quite catch the meaning in this movie. The only thing I can think of right now is his comment to Lois at the Kent farm, something along the lines of "I've got a second chance. I can do it right/do things differently this time" or whatever it was. I don't wear the same stuff to work everyday, either...
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Post by OdanUrr on Mar 18, 2021 22:23:51 GMT
OdanUrr Did you catch the explanation of why Superman was wearing black? I read the original comic, and it was while he was resurrected and underpowered (think the Eradicator might have given it to him). Didn't quite catch the meaning in this movie. In the comics, the suit is supposed to absorb more solar energy so a Kryptonian's body can recover more quickly. From what I've read in interviews, Snyder intended to give this act a different meaning. The traditional blue-red outfit is linked to Clark's role as a hero, to his destiny as Superman, whereas the black suit ties more to his Kryptonian roots (black was all the rage among Kryptonians in Man of Steel), to his family. Superman wearing the black suit would be part of the character's path to becoming the classic "Reeve" Superman. I'm not sure Snyder will get the chance to finish his saga though. Hope he does as I, for one, would like to see Injustice.
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Post by Obadiah on Mar 19, 2021 3:58:45 GMT
The Zach Snyder cut makes a lot more sense, but I miss the musical numbers:
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Post by rewindbutton on Mar 19, 2021 8:25:21 GMT
Me: Ok, sounds like I have to watch that at some point.
Everyone: Did they get rid of Cavill's Stache?
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Post by Sondergaard on Mar 19, 2021 9:28:35 GMT
However, if all you wanted was an upgraded version of Justice League, with more lore and character development, far better action (it's not even comparable), team dynamics and antagonists (yes, Steppenwolf comes across as more of a menace in this), Snyder's cut of Justice League is the best you're gonna get, although it's probably not the best version of this movie that could've been made. Still, I think it oscillates between a 7 or an 8 for me, if numbers are your thing, but I've only just finished watching it. I'm a MCU fanboy but I enjoyed this, maybe because I remember how bad the Whedon version was. I wasn't expecting much as I'm not a fan of Snyder's DC movies (or DC movies in general). Loved his earlier stuff (Dawn of the Dead, 300 & Watchmen) but Man of Steel and BvS left me hugely unimpressed. The new JL is far from perfect, bloated (needed more set up movies as per MCU) and pompous but it had heart and I could actually relate to the characters, especially Cyborg and Steppenwolf who are simply appalling in the first version. I suppose the ultimate test of any movie is 'do I want to know what happens next?'. And in this case the answer is yes (though unfortunately this seems very unlikely). So a surprised thumbs up from me.
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Post by DragonKingReborn on Mar 19, 2021 10:11:56 GMT
Me: Ok, sounds like I have to watch that at some point.
Everyone: Did they get rid of Cavill's Stache?
My wife told me she was leaving me for Henry Cavil (again) after watching it, so...yes. After JL17, not so much.
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Post by DragonKingReborn on Mar 19, 2021 10:20:27 GMT
However, if all you wanted was an upgraded version of Justice League, with more lore and character development, far better action (it's not even comparable), team dynamics and antagonists (yes, Steppenwolf comes across as more of a menace in this), Snyder's cut of Justice League is the best you're gonna get, although it's probably not the best version of this movie that could've been made. Still, I think it oscillates between a 7 or an 8 for me, if numbers are your thing, but I've only just finished watching it. I'm a MCU fanboy but I enjoyed this, maybe because I remember how bad the Whedon version was. I wasn't expecting much as I'm not a fan of Snyder's DC movies (or DC movies in general). Loved his earlier stuff (Dawn of the Dead, 300 & Watchmen) but Man of Steel and BvS left me hugely unimpressed. The new JL is far from perfect, bloated (needed more set up movies as per MCU) and pompous but it had heart and I could actually relate to the characters, especially Cyborg and Steppenwolf who are simply appalling in the first version. I suppose the ultimate test of any movie is 'do I want to know what happens next?'. And in this case the answer is yes (though unfortunately this seems very unlikely). So a surprised thumbs up from me. Interesting. I loved Man of Steel, and really liked the Ultimate Edition of BvS (theatrical can die in a dumpster fire), but this beat them both, for me (and I rewatched both this week). They’re different from the MCU movies, for sure. And I absolutely get why the MCU has more mainstream attraction. Snyder is - charitably - an excessively, almost absurdly divisive director. There doesn’t tend to be a strong middle ground with his films. For the most part, people love them, or hate them. I guess his style just works for me. It was too long, by several poems and a song, at minimum, and while the Joker scene at the end was cool, I guess, it also wasn’t necessary given the film(s) it teased are almost certainly never happening, but the 4 hours of ZSJL felt quicker than the 2 hours of JL17, which is - for me, at least - how I know I’m enjoying a movie. I had the same experience with BvS. I was checking my watch halfway through the theatrical cut. I almost didn’t want the Ultimate Edition to end.
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Post by rewindbutton on Mar 19, 2021 10:23:36 GMT
Me: Ok, sounds like I have to watch that at some point.
Everyone: Did they get rid of Cavill's Stache?
My wife told me she was leaving me for Henry Cavil (again) after watching it, so...yes. After JL17, not so much. This is brilliant!
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Post by DragonKingReborn on Mar 19, 2021 10:28:38 GMT
My wife told me she was leaving me for Henry Cavil (again) after watching it, so...yes. After JL17, not so much. This is brilliant! She’s a classy lady.
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Post by rewindbutton on Mar 19, 2021 14:06:04 GMT
This is brilliant! She’s a classy lady. I can tell. That stache overloads my '80s sensors.
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Post by Obadiah on Mar 19, 2021 14:17:06 GMT
So I watched Zack Snyder's Justice League yesterday, and the more I process the story, the more out-of-place it seems to the rest of the Man of Steel films. - The first one MoS is about a powerful alien and first contact with his civilization, and so it involves the military - The 2nd one BvS is a hidden plot to pit two vigilantes against each other, with the final battle against Doomsday, again involving the military when the Dooomsday fight starts - The Justice League (both versions) feature a covert alien invasion with a fairly visible, if not prominent, alien base established in Russia, and... NO military? JL doesn't try to involve or use ANY of them?
This is my favorite scene from Man of Steel just because it shows Superman working with some of Earth's defense forces. There's nothing like this in Justice League. Shit, even the Atlanteans who know about it sent, like, one guy.
Also, the Zach Snyder cut has some really questionable ethics with respect to Victor Stone's behavior and Cyborg's character development.
On the plus side, I am REALLY glad the Snyder Cut got rid of that idiotic plot element from the Whedon Cut where the para-demons suicide explode and leave cryptic glyphs of the master plan in their residue.
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Post by House Targaryen on Mar 19, 2021 16:30:37 GMT
Since they had to release this during the week, some of us have to work, have bust schedules, I've watched up to chapter 7 I believe, right after Superman has been resurrected. I'll finish the rest when I get home from work. Its good, very good. Steppenwolf 1000% better and the stupid humor cut right out. The score is sorely lacking, probably didn't fit in the budget unfortunately. Who was that alien that visited Lois?
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Post by OdanUrr on Mar 19, 2021 16:50:47 GMT
Who was that alien that visited Lois? Martian Mahunter
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Post by House Targaryen on Mar 19, 2021 16:52:05 GMT
Who was that alien that visited Lois? Martian Mahunter Ok, thanks
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Post by Obadiah on Mar 20, 2021 9:07:02 GMT
So, I'm watching Zach Snyder's 4 hour cut of Justice League for the 3rd time in three days (I don't recommend doing that BTW) as I write this. How else can this version be described but as a studio-indulged movie director's vanity project, conjured to help promote a new streaming service? The aspect ratio is 4:3, which conveniently leaves a vertical bar on most widescreen monitors for all manner of future interactive internet hijinks. It's a movie so indulgent of its own mythos that it contains an annoying 5 minute scandinavian(?) ode to Aquaman, along with TWO(!!!) Knightmare sequences. For crying out loud, even that damn arrow that the Amazons fire to alert Diana of the Mother Box abduction has a name AND an accompanying firing ceremony. It's difficult to evaluate the Snyder Cut without comparing it to the original Joss Whedon theatrical release collaboration. Allow me to confess to not hating the theatrical version of Justice League. It's half as long, and stuffed with 6 superheroes, 3 of which are new introductions, Flash, Cyborg, and Aquaman, so that what character development there was, was by necessity brief. I thought for the most part, barring the terrible Henry Cavil effects, it did a reasonable enough job, and all three of the new heroes were... *shrug*... fine. Whereas the Joss Whedon collaboration appears to have been crafted as an entertaining music video, with a punchline every 5 minutes, the Zach Snyder version is deathly serious and shot with the sensibility of a True Detective miniseries. There are long, lingering, artsy establishing shots of landscape and extra background scenes that give texture, all of which build the cohesive story. Flash, Cyborg, and Aquaman have far more fully realized backstories which are well done and welcome additions, but did THIS movie need their histories? There's something to be said about shorter entertaining stories of mysterious strangers gathering to help, with only hints of their histories. It's lovely and all to watch, but sequences from much of first half can easily be condensed into 5 minute montages, reduced in length, or simply be removed as they are completely unnecessary; which I assume is the reason the Whedon cut did all of that. To be sure, however, although the plot beats and characters are mostly the same, the story in Zach Snyder's version is VERY much improved. Cyborg still broods on his predicament, and Flash is still the comic relief. Steppenwolf still wants to unite the mother boxes, and Batman still assembles a team to stop him, but the whole story now seems much more reasoned and thought through, if slightly less fun. Steppenwolf is now a fully fleshed out character, far more menacing now that he no longer mumbles some nonsense about "mother" every five minutes, and actually seethes contempt at his enemies. When comparing the two versions, it's confounding why the main story was changed at all since, to me at least, the Snyder cut requires so few story changes to be drastically reduced in length, while maintaining some of Whedon's more entertaining dialog. What we have left in Zach Snyder's Justice League is a sweeping, indulgent, gorgeous 4 hour comic book fans-only super-hero opus (if you can't tell, I'm a comic book fan, see: 3rd viewing in three days), that lacks even the disciple to end its own story without several pending disasters likely to never be dealt with. Random thought: things that I liked from Whedon's version which are now gone: - Intro cell phone scene of Superman talking to kids. The CGI effects on Cavil's face were terrible, but it's the only scene to give some sense of what the world lost when Superman was killed. Plus it was kind of adorable. - Better soundtrack and musical montages - Cyborg's growing horror at the changes that keep happening to him; The scene where he suddenly hovers in front of his father was genius - Explanation as to why Superman can be brought back. There's no longer a conversation about Superman's dormant body, and cells that won't degrade. In the Snyder version, it seems completely plausible that Superman could come back as a cyborg instead, and realize Batman's worst fears from BvS. Personally, I would have rather an explanation similar to the comic where Superman just woke up in a lab weakened, didn't know WTF happened, and it turned out the ship rescued him and put him in a solar resuscitation chamber. - Batman confronting Wonder Woman's obscurity, and convincing her to be the team leader - Batman being old and groaning at his age and condition - Batman planning for possible Superman attack on resurrection - Aquaman's lasso induced pre-fight monologue. - Wonder Woman disobeying Batman's orders and saving him
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Post by Obadiah on Mar 20, 2021 20:53:50 GMT
OdanUrr Did you catch the explanation of why Superman was wearing black? I read the original comic, and it was while he was resurrected and underpowered (think the Eradicator might have given it to him). Didn't quite catch the meaning in this movie. In the comics, the suit is supposed to absorb more solar energy so a Kryptonian's body can recover more quickly. From what I've read in interviews, Snyder intended to give this act a different meaning. The traditional blue-red outfit is linked to Clark's role as a hero, to his destiny as Superman, whereas the black suit ties more to his Kryptonian roots (black was all the rage among Kryptonians in Man of Steel), to his family. Superman wearing the black suit would be part of the character's path to becoming the classic "Reeve" Superman. I'm not sure Snyder will get the chance to finish his saga though. Hope he does as I, for one, would like to see Injustice. You know, I could probably go with an interpretation like: after the fight at the monument where he almost killed the police, Clark didn't think he was worthy of wearing the original colors yet.
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Post by Patricia on Mar 21, 2021 9:24:19 GMT
Me: Ok, sounds like I have to watch that at some point.
Everyone: Did they get rid of Cavill's Stache?
Lets all be glad that he does not have a Stache like this
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Post by Noxluxe on Mar 21, 2021 15:38:12 GMT
Lets all be glad that he does not have a Stache like this Speak for yourself. Recently watched Mission Impossible: Fallout for the first time after one too many 'OMG! Tom Cruise really does all this crazy stuff without a stunt double!' youtube videos, and found it shockingly good on almost every axis. Like, good enough that I'm excited to start watching more of the movies after rolling my eyes and avoiding them for years and years. And that mustache is indispensable. Now I'm really glad they wouldn't let Cavil shave it off, because unlike the DCU, Fallout actually had something to lose. Also watched The Croods with the family last night. A surprisingly good movie too. I almost cried towards the end, at a certain insanely sad and beautiful and natural low point. Klaus gave me a little bit of hope for modern animated films over the holidays, and this one really reminded me that they used to be great too. Also fricking hilarious.
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Post by Beerfish on Mar 22, 2021 4:15:01 GMT
I've just been semi binge watching a youtube series I stumbled on. Each one is maybe 20-25 minutes long and it is famous actors talking about their iconic characters. Really really good stuff. Google 'actors in their most iconic characters' and you will find some of them.
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Post by rewindbutton on Mar 22, 2021 9:46:55 GMT
Lets all be glad that he does not have a Stache like this Nah, I think that would make a strong statement. Kind of dig it.
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Post by Patricia on Mar 22, 2021 10:21:20 GMT
Lets all be glad that he does not have a Stache like this Nah, I think that would make a strong statement. Kind of dig it. Hahahaha maybe but uh ... one thing though he can when he flies go through the sound barrier right so when he has a Stache like i showed in the spoiler i wonder what it would look like after he went through the sound barrier. Not even the strongest gel would hold it together.
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