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Post by Cyan_Griffonclaw on Jul 21, 2017 18:10:21 GMT
I don't get why everyone just can't enjoy Bethesda, Bioware and CDPR games for what they are instead of crying and fighting over which company has the bigger d*ck. Clearly, BioWare is the champ here. They offer a variety of same-sex romance options, feature transgender characters, make an effort to promote diversity, write companion characters with personality traits some players won't like, and who do things that really anger or upset some players. They take a lot of heat/hate for it, but continue to do these things unapologetically. And that's why I have a problem with Geralt. It's Geralt. I can't make him into being me. Games where I can't see the protagonist or allows customization for one is what allows me to immerse myself into the game. I've put my personal touch on it and can make it mine. There is nothing wrong with the Witcher series, but it just wasn't for me. I don't do self-inserts, but simply don't care enough about Geralt or his world to put forth the effort to try to role-play him. I might be willing to watch a movie (or series) about him, but making decisions on his behalf for 40 or 60 or however many hours it takes - meh. No thanks. me too! I would be really excited for that actually. A lot of those fixed protagonists like the Witcher 3, the Last of Us, Uncharted, etc. are freaking fun to watch as a passenger, but I won't commit to it. I guess I self-insert then... I've been calling it roleplaying, but that's not very accurate I guess. I self-insert myself into the role and that's when I'm invested. Every DA and ME title has allowed me that freedom. Actually every BioWare and Black Isle title has allowed me to do that (except the Nameless One and that still allowed some sort of customization).
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Post by malgus on Jul 21, 2017 18:11:33 GMT
And that's why I have a problem with Geralt. It's Geralt. I can't make him into being me. Games where I can't see the protagonist or allows customization for one is what allows me to immerse myself into the game. I've put my personal touch on it and can make it mine. There is nothing wrong with the Witcher series, but it just wasn't for me. I don't do self-inserts, but simply don't care enough about Geralt or his world to put forth the effort to try to role-play him. I might be willing to watch a movie (or series) about him, but making decisions on his behalf for 40 or 60 or however many hours it takes - meh. No thanks. Agree on that, I actually don't hate geralt, I think he is a fine character itself but I don't like playing as him for hundreds of hours because I totally don't identify and project himself into him. The dark brooding anti hero who has limited feeling (I don't care if its because of mutation) is just not interesting for me to play, at least not for a long rpg (had no problem playing kratos even if I never identify with him because GOW were linear short games). That is one of the reason where when I play the witcher, I feel the story from the outside and therefore its not as alive as what I get in BW games. I would like a companion like geralt in my party, that would be great, but playing as him for a long period of time that is one of the reason I don't enjoy witcher game as much as other.
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Post by setokaiba on Jul 21, 2017 19:50:55 GMT
I don't get why everyone just can't enjoy Bethesda, Bioware and CDPR games for what they are instead of crying and fighting over which company has the bigger d*ck. Clearly, BioWare is the champ here. They offer a variety of same-sex romance options, feature transgender characters, make an effort to promote diversity, write companion characters with personality traits some players won't like, and who do things that really anger or upset some players. They take a lot of heat/hate for it, but continue to do these things unapologetically. And that's why I have a problem with Geralt. It's Geralt. I can't make him into being me. Games where I can't see the protagonist or allows customization for one is what allows me to immerse myself into the game. I've put my personal touch on it and can make it mine. There is nothing wrong with the Witcher series, but it just wasn't for me. I don't do self-inserts, but simply don't care enough about Geralt or his world to put forth the effort to try to role-play him. I might be willing to watch a movie (or series) about him, but making decisions on his behalf for 40 or 60 or however many hours it takes - meh. No thanks. Fallout and Witcher also have a diversity. They don't promote it the way Bioware which I actually love about Bethesda and CDPR, they are not telling me they have gays in their game instead they treat being gay no different than being straight. Running into someone gay in Fallout isn't a big deal. Like in New Vegas(I know not made by Bethesda) two of our companions are gay/bi woman but it doesn't feel force onto us or them trying to check something off a list.
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Post by abaris on Jul 21, 2017 20:01:35 GMT
Running into someone gay in Fallout isn't a big deal. Like in New Vegas(I know not made by Bethesda) two of our companions are gay/bi woman but it doesn't feel force onto us or them trying to check something off a list. I wouldn't even know who's gay or straight in FO4. In FNV I suppose you mean Arcade and Veronica, but that's just a guess, since it's not obvious. They're all not romancable, at least not in vanilla state. And the romances in FO4 could have just as well been left out, since they're totally meaningless. Same as marriage in Skyrim. In principal I like Bioware's system better, Up until MEA where only two characters rise up to previous standards. Drack and to some extent Peebee. They at least don't feel the compulsion to spill the beans at the first opportunity.
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Post by linksocarina on Jul 21, 2017 20:09:10 GMT
Clearly, BioWare is the champ here. They offer a variety of same-sex romance options, feature transgender characters, make an effort to promote diversity, write companion characters with personality traits some players won't like, and who do things that really anger or upset some players. They take a lot of heat/hate for it, but continue to do these things unapologetically. I don't do self-inserts, but simply don't care enough about Geralt or his world to put forth the effort to try to role-play him. I might be willing to watch a movie (or series) about him, but making decisions on his behalf for 40 or 60 or however many hours it takes - meh. No thanks. Fallout and Witcher also have a diversity. They don't promote it the way Bioware which I actually love about Bethesda and CDPR, they are not telling me they have gays in their game instead they treat being gay no different than being straight. Running into someone gay in Fallout isn't a big deal. Like in New Vegas(I know not made by Bethesda) two of our companions are gay/bi woman but it doesn't feel force onto us or them trying to check something off a list. To be fair though, BioWare didn't really promote such things insomuch as the press did. Especially when it came to Dorian. Gaider made one mention of it because it was for him an experience to write about a gay character as a gay man in an interview, and the press ran with it and made that the character trait of Dorian. Sera also had a similar response but it was a footnote, and Krem wasn't even mentioned and it was only brought up in one scene. It's less about BioWare saying there are LGBT characters in their game (which they had going all the way back to KoToR) and moreso the press puffing it up id argue. That is actually a new thing, going back to 2010 and the sort of backlash to the "all-bi characters" of Dragon Age 2...which Fallout 4 did ironically and no one batted an eye. Regarding romances now BioWare treats it as a back of the box feature so to speak...so they promote all romance indiscriminately at this point, regardless of orientation.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2017 20:39:19 GMT
Clearly, BioWare is the champ here. They offer a variety of same-sex romance options, feature transgender characters, make an effort to promote diversity, write companion characters with personality traits some players won't like, and who do things that really anger or upset some players. They take a lot of heat/hate for it, but continue to do these things unapologetically. I don't do self-inserts, but simply don't care enough about Geralt or his world to put forth the effort to try to role-play him. I might be willing to watch a movie (or series) about him, but making decisions on his behalf for 40 or 60 or however many hours it takes - meh. No thanks. Fallout and Witcher also have a diversity. They don't promote it the way Bioware which I actually love about Bethesda and CDPR, they are not telling me they have gays in their game instead they treat being gay no different than being straight. Running into someone gay in Fallout isn't a big deal. Like in New Vegas(I know not made by Bethesda) two of our companions are gay/bi woman but it doesn't feel force onto us or them trying to check something off a list. I've yet to play New Vegas or FO4 (I have played through FO3), so I can't speak to that, or anything Witcher related. Skyrim presents no concept of orientation or gender identity whatsoever. Any marriage eligible NPC will marry dragonborn of either sex. Diversity in Skyrim is represented by race, religion, picking sides in the civil war, and a variety of other things. Skyrim NPCs, however, are a mile wide and an inch deep, whereas BioWare is known for the depth of their characters. I noticed you picked out my comments about diversity and ignored the other things I mentioned where BioWare takes risks. They obviously knew that Sera would be a controversial character, and made it possible for the Inquisitor to discharge her. There are other companion characters in both franchises (DA and ME) that some people hate almost obsessively. That's all part of BioWare's brand, imho, and a big part of player's emotional investment.
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Post by smilesja on Jul 21, 2017 20:48:56 GMT
Fallout and Witcher also have a diversity. They don't promote it the way Bioware which I actually love about Bethesda and CDPR, they are not telling me they have gays in their game instead they treat being gay no different than being straight. Running into someone gay in Fallout isn't a big deal. Like in New Vegas(I know not made by Bethesda) two of our companions are gay/bi woman but it doesn't feel force onto us or them trying to check something off a list. I've yet to play New Vegas or FO4 (I have played through FO3), so I can't speak to that, or anything Witcher related. Skyrim presents no concept of orientation or gender identity whatsoever. Any marriage eligible NPC will marry dragonborn of either sex. Diversity in Skyrim is represented by race, religion, picking sides in the civil war, and a variety of other things. Skyrim NPCs, however, are a mile wide and an inch deep, whereas BioWare is known for the depth of their characters. I noticed you picked out my comments about diversity and ignored the other things I mentioned where BioWare takes risks. They obviously knew that Sera would be a controversial character, and made it possible for the Inquisitor to discharge her. There are other companion characters in both franchises (DA and ME) that some people hate almost obsessively. That's all part of BioWare's brand, imho, and a big part of player's emotional investment. I don't think the romances are as deep in Bethesda games compared to Bioware.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2017 20:52:20 GMT
I've yet to play New Vegas or FO4 (I have played through FO3), so I can't speak to that, or anything Witcher related. Skyrim presents no concept of orientation or gender identity whatsoever. Any marriage eligible NPC will marry dragonborn of either sex. Diversity in Skyrim is represented by race, religion, picking sides in the civil war, and a variety of other things. Skyrim NPCs, however, are a mile wide and an inch deep, whereas BioWare is known for the depth of their characters. I noticed you picked out my comments about diversity and ignored the other things I mentioned where BioWare takes risks. They obviously knew that Sera would be a controversial character, and made it possible for the Inquisitor to discharge her. There are other companion characters in both franchises (DA and ME) that some people hate almost obsessively. That's all part of BioWare's brand, imho, and a big part of player's emotional investment. I don't think the romances are as deep in Bethesda games compared to Bioware. It's all in your head in TES. Sure I marry a cute guy in Skyrim, but there's no building up the romance. We just marry. I saw potential for a romance with Martin, but they kept him as a friend. Same with Lucien, Ulfric, Brynjolf, etc... plot important characters were always off the table. Solas, Jaal and Reyes are plot important and the romances add to the main story. BW knows how to do it right!
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Post by abaris on Jul 21, 2017 21:06:12 GMT
I don't think the romances are as deep in Bethesda games compared to Bioware. Romances are a new addition in FO4. Something that never has been part of any Beth game. They could have just left them out, meaningless as they are. It's just number crunching and you can set up a mixed harem if you feel like it. No jealousy, no sexual orientation, no nothing. Of course Bioware is better at that.
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Post by setokaiba on Jul 21, 2017 22:02:51 GMT
Fallout and Witcher also have a diversity. They don't promote it the way Bioware which I actually love about Bethesda and CDPR, they are not telling me they have gays in their game instead they treat being gay no different than being straight. Running into someone gay in Fallout isn't a big deal. Like in New Vegas(I know not made by Bethesda) two of our companions are gay/bi woman but it doesn't feel force onto us or them trying to check something off a list. I've yet to play New Vegas or FO4 (I have played through FO3), so I can't speak to that, or anything Witcher related. Skyrim presents no concept of orientation or gender identity whatsoever. Any marriage eligible NPC will marry dragonborn of either sex. Diversity in Skyrim is represented by race, religion, picking sides in the civil war, and a variety of other things. Skyrim NPCs, however, are a mile wide and an inch deep, whereas BioWare is known for the depth of their characters. I noticed you picked out my comments about diversity and ignored the other things I mentioned where BioWare takes risks. They obviously knew that Sera would be a controversial character, and made it possible for the Inquisitor to discharge her. There are other companion characters in both franchises (DA and ME) that some people hate almost obsessively. That's all part of BioWare's brand, imho, and a big part of player's emotional investment. I'm not denying Bioware handle romance better, romance in Bethesda games are bad. But I wouldn't say that Skyrim lacks depth it tells it's stories through books, journals, and the environment. Bioware has great companions and main stories and Bethesda has great open worlds. I ignored it is not worth mentioning and I'm not interested in having a debate about who has a bigger d*ck between Bioware and Bethesda. The way Fallout 4 handle dialog and crafting is mixed by fans.
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Post by abaris on Jul 21, 2017 22:06:26 GMT
I ignored it is not worth mentioning and I'm not interested in having a debate about who has a bigger d*ck between Bioware and Bethesda. The way Fallout 4 handle dialog and crafting is mixed by fans. It's not even worth mentioning. Both companies have totally different approaches. It's only worth mentioning when either company takes an approach they suck at. Such as Bioware and open world or Bethesda at creating romances.
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Post by griffith82 on Jul 21, 2017 22:17:37 GMT
I've yet to play New Vegas or FO4 (I have played through FO3), so I can't speak to that, or anything Witcher related. Skyrim presents no concept of orientation or gender identity whatsoever. Any marriage eligible NPC will marry dragonborn of either sex. Diversity in Skyrim is represented by race, religion, picking sides in the civil war, and a variety of other things. Skyrim NPCs, however, are a mile wide and an inch deep, whereas BioWare is known for the depth of their characters. I noticed you picked out my comments about diversity and ignored the other things I mentioned where BioWare takes risks. They obviously knew that Sera would be a controversial character, and made it possible for the Inquisitor to discharge her. There are other companion characters in both franchises (DA and ME) that some people hate almost obsessively. That's all part of BioWare's brand, imho, and a big part of player's emotional investment. I don't think the romances are as deep in Bethesda games compared to Bioware. Not even close.
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Post by Cyan_Griffonclaw on Jul 22, 2017 2:22:26 GMT
Clearly, BioWare is the champ here. They offer a variety of same-sex romance options, feature transgender characters, make an effort to promote diversity, write companion characters with personality traits some players won't like, and who do things that really anger or upset some players. They take a lot of heat/hate for it, but continue to do these things unapologetically. I don't do self-inserts, but simply don't care enough about Geralt or his world to put forth the effort to try to role-play him. I might be willing to watch a movie (or series) about him, but making decisions on his behalf for 40 or 60 or however many hours it takes - meh. No thanks. Fallout and Witcher also have a diversity. They don't promote it the way Bioware which I actually love about Bethesda and CDPR, they are not telling me they have gays in their game instead they treat being gay no different than being straight. Running into someone gay in Fallout isn't a big deal. Like in New Vegas(I know not made by Bethesda) two of our companions are gay/bi woman but it doesn't feel force onto us or them trying to check something off a list. I'm going to sound old here, but I agree. I don't like it being ham-fisted. I'm still confused on why Krem had to be done the way it was done. Abrams was already fixed before I got there. Also, I'm old-fashioned that we keep to ourselves about our sexuality... straight, gay or bisexual. It wasn't necessary to know until one got interested and then it's judgement time! (Awkward.) My response: I really love vaginas from the 80s. (Awkward right back!) and we move on. We're all good.
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Post by maximusarael020 on Jul 22, 2017 2:27:21 GMT
Fallout and Witcher also have a diversity. They don't promote it the way Bioware which I actually love about Bethesda and CDPR, they are not telling me they have gays in their game instead they treat being gay no different than being straight. Running into someone gay in Fallout isn't a big deal. Like in New Vegas(I know not made by Bethesda) two of our companions are gay/bi woman but it doesn't feel force onto us or them trying to check something off a list. I'm going to sound old here, but I agree. I don't like it being ham-fisted. I'm still confused on why Krem had to be done the way it was done. Abrams was already fixed before I got there. Also, I'm old-fashioned that we keep to ourselves about our sexuality... straight, gay or bisexual. It wasn't necessary to know until one got interested and then it's judgement time! (Awkward.) My response: I really love vaginas from the 80s. (Awkward right back!) and we move on. We're all good. "I really love vaginas from the 80's" should be your profile signature.
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Post by Cyan_Griffonclaw on Jul 22, 2017 2:29:10 GMT
Fallout and Witcher also have a diversity. They don't promote it the way Bioware which I actually love about Bethesda and CDPR, they are not telling me they have gays in their game instead they treat being gay no different than being straight. Running into someone gay in Fallout isn't a big deal. Like in New Vegas(I know not made by Bethesda) two of our companions are gay/bi woman but it doesn't feel force onto us or them trying to check something off a list. I've yet to play New Vegas or FO4 (I have played through FO3), so I can't speak to that, or anything Witcher related. Skyrim presents no concept of orientation or gender identity whatsoever. Any marriage eligible NPC will marry dragonborn of either sex. Diversity in Skyrim is represented by race, religion, picking sides in the civil war, and a variety of other things. Skyrim NPCs, however, are a mile wide and an inch deep, whereas BioWare is known for the depth of their characters. I noticed you picked out my comments about diversity and ignored the other things I mentioned where BioWare takes risks. They obviously knew that Sera would be a controversial character, and made it possible for the Inquisitor to discharge her. There are other companion characters in both franchises (DA and ME) that some people hate almost obsessively. That's all part of BioWare's brand, imho, and a big part of player's emotional investment. Well said. Sometimes you risk alienating some, but you still have to try. My favorite romances are BioWare ones. Fallout... not even worth the time. To be truthful, I wanted my wife to roleplay as Morrigan. I can be the genlock. Just don't shapeshift into a spider. Kills the mood fast.
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