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Post by skekSil on Aug 18, 2020 20:58:32 GMT
And it can only make sense, if there were no special qualifications for being an astronaut and they could just pick anyone. 1)Special qualifications can be acquired during training. Including pilot training. Soviets certainly didnt have problem sending civilians (including a woman) in their 3-man Soyuz spaceships. 2)Schmitt the geologist wasnt the only science guy who became an astronaut. In fact he was part of a group of six scientists hired by NASA to fly Apollo missions, two dropped out Schmitt went to Moon and the remaining thre were on Skylab and/or early Space Shuttle missions. They were all given a one year pilot training. There was another group that was selected for their scientific credentials not military pilot careers although some did have pilot experience. NB: not every astronaut gets to go into space, you get the name for completing a training. Or, alternatively, if those qualifications were uniformly distributed across the population. And of course, neither of those things are true. Are you saying that skill is dependent on person's race? There were around 70 astronauts trained in 60s none of them were African-Americans, decpite them constituting 10% of population. There were no black military pilots at the time? No scientists?
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Post by pessimistpanda on Aug 19, 2020 1:47:56 GMT
Mass Effect and Dragon Age fans at large clearly aren't reading enough sci-fi/fantasy, and have extremely reductive understandings of both.
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Post by B. Hieronymus Da on Aug 19, 2020 23:50:27 GMT
And it can only make sense, if there were no special qualifications for being an astronaut and they could just pick anyone. 1)Special qualifications can be acquired during training. Including pilot training. Soviets certainly didnt have problem sending civilians (including a woman) in their 3-man Soyuz spaceships. 2)Schmitt the geologist wasnt the only science guy who became an astronaut. In fact he was part of a group of six scientists hired by NASA to fly Apollo missions, two dropped out Schmitt went to Moon and the remaining thre were on Skylab and/or early Space Shuttle missions. They were all given a one year pilot training. There was another group that was selected for their scientific credentials not military pilot careers although some did have pilot experience. NB: not every astronaut gets to go into space, you get the name for completing a training. Or, alternatively, if those qualifications were uniformly distributed across the population. And of course, neither of those things are true. Are you saying that skill is dependent on person's race? There were around 70 astronauts trained in 60s none of them were African-Americans, decpite them constituting 10% of population. There were no black military pilots at the time? No scientists? ??? <shrug> You have no point. Again you seem to assume something: You assume military fighter pilots to be evenly distributed across the population. They are not, and were even less so then. We don't even have to delve into the reasons why - but they were not due to racist military (since there were a few black pilots) and more a class & culture issue -, because none of that was NASA's doing anyway. Yes, all astronauts receive tons of training. Doesn't matter. There was a very severe selection process even before any training started. And going through the training still don't make people equally qualified. That's how things were done. Things are slightly more lax today, but there's still a selection process. For good reasons. Spaceflight is no diversity & inclusion game. As I already stated: The scientist astronaut program started already in the '60s. But they didn't get into space (except the geologist) until after the Apollo Moon program.
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Post by B. Hieronymus Da on Aug 20, 2020 0:02:27 GMT
Smartphone cameras are crap (as cameras).
It's very cool and convenient that everybody always goes around with a working camera ready. That means we get to see a lot of things we never would otherwise. But as cameras, they suck.
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Post by Giant Ambush Beetle on Aug 20, 2020 0:10:04 GMT
Smartphone cameras are crap (as cameras). It's very cool and convenient that everybody always goes around with a working camera ready. That means we get to see a lot of things we never would otherwise. But as cameras, they suck. Can't say I agree with that, I had a Huawei phone (can't recall the exact model) that made decent close up pictures, even compared with my Fuji XM-1. Of course, once you get into the low-light territory the tiny smartphone lens is hopelessly lost. I mean, I made this picture of a bumblebee I fed with honey water with my Huawei smartphone. This is more than adequate.
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Post by therevanchist25 on Aug 20, 2020 0:10:42 GMT
Mass Effect and Dragon Age fans at large clearly aren't reading enough sci-fi/fantasy, and have extremely reductive understandings of both. I'm curious, what exactly do you mean by this?
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Post by pessimistpanda on Aug 20, 2020 0:48:49 GMT
Mass Effect and Dragon Age fans at large clearly aren't reading enough sci-fi/fantasy, and have extremely reductive understandings of both. I'm curious, what exactly do you mean by this?Β Well, I could go into this at length, but I don't really want to, so I'll be as brief as I can. What I mean is that the praise AND criticism in the forums around both series, particularly around how the later games are "less dark"/"more sjw"/"generally of lower quality"/etc, and the popular attitude (of both critics and fans) that the early games were pinnacles of original and complex storytelling, indicates (to me) that the majority of the fanbase have little/no interest in or knowledge of sci-fi/fantasy literature at large. Compared to even an early writer like, say, Ursula Le Guin, who's work was exploring politics, race and sexuality for decades before BioWare even existed, Dragon Age and Mass Effect are neither original or radical, nor even particularly left-leaning/inclusive, except when compared solely to other video games. The especially egregious tendency to compare Dragon Age over and over again to Game of Thrones and The Witcher (which themselves are not particularly innovative) suggests to me that, for many players, these two other works (plus the work of Tolkien) are their ONLY points of reference.
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Post by therevanchist25 on Aug 20, 2020 1:08:48 GMT
I'm curious, what exactly do you mean by this? Well, I could go into this at length, but I don't really want to, so I'll be as brief as I can. What I mean is that the praise AND criticism in the forums around both series, particularly around how the later games are "less dark"/"more sjw"/"generally of lower quality"/etc, and the popular attitude (of both critics and fans) that the early games were pinnacles of original and complex storytelling, indicates (to me) that the majority of the fanbase have little/no interest in or knowledge of sci-fi/fantasy literature at large. Compared to even an early writer like, say, Ursula Le Guin, who's work was exploring politics, race and sexuality for decades before BioWare even existed, Dragon Age and Mass Effect are neither original or radical, nor even particularly left-leaning/inclusive, except when compared solely to other video games. The especially egregious tendency to compare Dragon Age over and over again to Game of Thrones and The Witcher (which themselves are not particularly innovative) suggests to me that, for many players, these two other works (plus the work of Tolkien) are their ONLY points of reference. I would agree with that, Witcher in particular is basically a full on copy and paste of Elric of Melnibone, and no one even notices or cares, because no one knows Elric even exists. Tragically, an Elric TV pitch was denied because it "too closely resembled The Witcher", which is hilariously sad. But thats just common for people in general. I can't expect everyone to be complete losers like me who go out of my way to be as much of a know it all as humanly possible.
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Post by pessimistpanda on Aug 20, 2020 1:39:50 GMT
Well, I could go into this at length, but I don't really want to, so I'll be as brief as I can. What I mean is that the praise AND criticism in the forums around both series, particularly around how the later games are "less dark"/"more sjw"/"generally of lower quality"/etc, and the popular attitude (of both critics and fans) that the early games were pinnacles of original and complex storytelling, indicates (to me) that the majority of the fanbase have little/no interest in or knowledge of sci-fi/fantasy literature at large. Compared to even an early writer like, say, Ursula Le Guin, who's work was exploring politics, race and sexuality for decades before BioWare even existed, Dragon Age and Mass Effect are neither original or radical, nor even particularly left-leaning/inclusive, except when compared solely to other video games. The especially egregious tendency to compare Dragon Age over and over again to Game of Thrones and The Witcher (which themselves are not particularly innovative) suggests to me that, for many players, these two other works (plus the work of Tolkien) are their ONLY points of reference. I would agree with that, Witcher in particular is basically a full on copy and paste of Elric of Melnibone, and no one even notices or cares, because no one knows Elric even exists. Tragically, an Elric TV pitch was denied because it "too closely resembled The Witcher", which is hilariously sad.Β Tbh, I never heard of Elric either until just now, so I guess that's my fantasy cred down the drain, lol. TV in general is so risk-averse that I doubt that any other sword-for-hire style fantasy serial would get approved while The Witcher is running. Fantasy tv is a tough sell in general, really.
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Post by therevanchist25 on Aug 20, 2020 1:47:42 GMT
I would agree with that, Witcher in particular is basically a full on copy and paste of Elric of Melnibone, and no one even notices or cares, because no one knows Elric even exists. Tragically, an Elric TV pitch was denied because it "too closely resembled The Witcher", which is hilariously sad. Tbh, I never heard of Elric either until just now, so I guess that's my fantasy cred down the drain, lol. TV in general is so risk-averse that I doubt that any other sword-for-hire style fantasy serial would get approved while The Witcher is running. Fantasy tv is a tough sell in general, really. Earthsea, Barsoom, Dragonriders of Pern, Belgariad, The Elenium, The Crimson Shadow etc. I've read a lot of fantasy fiction in my time (I sadly haven't read much sci fi I admit) But that being said. There are ofc measures of quality that apply regardless of fiction experience. Both series (DA and ME) definitely have highs and lows as they go along. But your not wrong, Bioware is hardly unique, and even at their "peak" was far from the best.
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Post by pessimistpanda on Aug 20, 2020 1:58:35 GMT
Tbh, I never heard of Elric either until just now, so I guess that's my fantasy cred down the drain, lol. TV in general is so risk-averse that I doubt that any other sword-for-hire style fantasy serial would get approved while The Witcher is running. Fantasy tv is a tough sell in general, really. Earthsea, Barsoom, Dragonriders of Pern, Belgariad, The Elenium, The Crimson Shadow etc. I've read a lot of fantasy fiction in my time (I sadly haven't read much sci fi I admit) But that being said. There are ofc measures of quality that apply regardless of fiction experience. Both series (DA and ME) definitely have highs and lows as they go along. But your not wrong, Bioware is hardly unique, and even at their "peak" was far from the best. The "difference" between science-fiction and fantasy is almost entirely cosmetic anyway, in my opinion. Pern and Barsoom definitely have at least a few stylistic elements more commonly associated with sci-fi, so I'd say you've read plenty. Personally I prefer "speculative fiction" as a catch-all term.
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Post by Gileadan on Aug 20, 2020 12:26:09 GMT
Well, I could go into this at length, but I don't really want to, so I'll be as brief as I can. What I mean is that the praise AND criticism in the forums around both series, particularly around how the later games are "less dark"/"more sjw"/"generally of lower quality"/etc, and the popular attitude (of both critics and fans) that the early games were pinnacles of original and complex storytelling, indicates (to me) that the majority of the fanbase have little/no interest in or knowledge of sci-fi/fantasy literature at large. Compared to even an early writer like, say, Ursula Le Guin, who's work was exploring politics, race and sexuality for decades before BioWare even existed, Dragon Age and Mass Effect are neither original or radical, nor even particularly left-leaning/inclusive, except when compared solely to other video games. The especially egregious tendency to compare Dragon Age over and over again to Game of Thrones and The Witcher (which themselves are not particularly innovative) suggests to me that, for many players, these two other works (plus the work of Tolkien) are their ONLY points of reference. I would agree with that, Witcher in particular is basically a full on copy and paste of Elric of Melnibone, and no one even notices or cares, because no one knows Elric even exists. Tragically, an Elric TV pitch was denied because it "too closely resembled The Witcher", which is hilariously sad. But thats just common for people in general. I can't expect everyone to be complete losers like me who go out of my way to be as much of a know it all as humanly possible. "Arioch requires blood and souls, Elric..." Ah, Elric of MelnibonΓ©, the second big fantasy saga (after LotR) I devoured as a wee lad, along with the rest of Michael Moorcock's Eternal Champion series. An Elric pitch was denied because it resembled the Witcher too much?! Dear gods. I suspect whoever made that decision didn't look past the white hair of both characters. Elric was in many ways the antithesis of the classic fantasy hero, especially those that wanted to be like Conan the Barbarian. Where your average fantasy protagonist is a physically fit and rough person, Elric is a refined man who loves his books and is physically weak, his combat prowess almost entirely provided by Stormbringer. Maybe it's time to re-buy the books and read them again. I lost mine when I lent them to an acquaintance who took them to jail with him when he was arrested for burglary, and I never saw the man or the books again. Ahem. Anyway, here's a high five from another loser like you.
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Post by Gwydden on Aug 20, 2020 12:58:05 GMT
TV in general is so risk-averse that I doubt that any other sword-for-hire style fantasy serial would get approved while The Witcher is running. Fantasy tv is a tough sell in general, really. And yet, there's been a push recently to find "the next Game of Thrones," as it always happens when a franchise is massively successful. I mean, after The Lord of the Rings movie trilogy came out, there followed huge cinematic smash hits like Eragon, The Lion, the Witch, and the Wardrobe, and The Golden Compass! Oh. I don't know if this is an unpopular opinion among anyone but media execs and Jeff Bezos, but I suspect these copycats are doomed to fail, or at least fall short of expectations, because unlike with TLotR or Harry Potter, Game of Thrones' popularity had little to do with it being fantasy. It's striking that this, the best thing Martin's ever written in my oh-so-humble-opinion, is so poorly reflected in his own work. The only upcoming fantasy TV show that has a chance of making it big, in my estimation, is Amazon's Middle-earth series, because of TLotR nostalgia rather than GoT's aftereffects.
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Post by pessimistpanda on Aug 20, 2020 13:52:08 GMT
TV in general is so risk-averse that I doubt that any other sword-for-hire style fantasy serial would get approved while The Witcher is running. Fantasy tv is a tough sell in general, really. And yet, there's been a push recently to find "the next Game of Thrones," as it always happens when a franchise is massively successful. I mean, after The Lord of the Rings movie trilogy came out, there followed huge cinematic smash hits like Eragon, The Lion, the Witch, and the Wardrobe, and The Golden Compass! Oh. I don't know if this is an unpopular opinion among anyone but media execs and Jeff Bezos, but I suspect these copycats are doomed to fail, or at least fall short of expectations, because unlike with TLotR or Harry Potter, Game of Thrones' popularity had little to do with it being fantasy. It's striking that this, the best thing Martin's ever written in my oh-so-humble-opinion, is so poorly reflected in his own work. The only upcoming fantasy TV show that has a chance of making it big, in my estimation, is Amazon's Middle-earth series, because of TLotR nostalgia rather than GoT's aftereffects. The His Dark Materials tv series by HBO is doing... okay, though, it seems? I just caught up on it myself and I mostly liked it, though there is one casting decision I find highly questionable.
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Post by mousestalker on Aug 20, 2020 15:43:20 GMT
The single best second language for North Americans to learn is French.
Here is why. The great modern plague is not covid but telemarketers. They all speak some English. Quite a few speak Spanish. Almost none speak French. So when a telemarketer calls, a Francophone can answer in French. If it's a robocall, then the matter of language is irrelevant. But if the telemarketer is human then they are confronted with a potential sucker who will not admit to understanding them. This has to be quite frustrating for the caller. In this way even a slight acquaintance with the French language makes the world a better place.
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Post by Kappa Neko on Aug 20, 2020 21:02:55 GMT
Wait, who ever claimed Bioware was original and good at plotting??
I call a straw man on this. Bioware is good at NARRATIVE. They're good at writing characters and banter. I'd argue against romances personally. They made a name for themselves since Mass Effect with their particular brand of cinematic storytelling.
The actual plots and themes were cobbled together from various famous novels or TV shows. I'll call it a love letter rather than downright idea theft. *g*
Granted, when I first started playing ME and DA I didn't know this because I wasn't into fantasy and sci-fi at all at the time. And I still haven't read any of the novels that inspired these franchises. But I watched a bunch of shows that opened my eyes. Regardless, Bioware plots are still generic overall and simplistic. And very much good vs. evil.
But then again that's not what their games are about. They are about an epic hero's journey and friendship. And that's all they need to be. I'll take a very emotional inspiring retelling of the same old story over any original but boring new setting and plot with unlikeable characters.
And let's be real, most great tales are about the same themes that are relatable to everyone. The human struggle against evil (from outside and within). Overcoming obstacles together, beating the odds. Making the world a better place. The details may change but it's always the same story really.
So I don't care about original. I care about stories having a heart.
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Post by Beerfish on Aug 20, 2020 21:42:58 GMT
The single best second language for North Americans to learn is French. Here is why. The great modern plague is not covid but telemarketers. They all speak some English. Quite a few speak Spanish. Almost none speak French. So when a telemarketer calls, a Francophone can answer in French. If it's a robocall, then the matter of language is irrelevant. But if the telemarketer is human then they are confronted with a potential sucker who will not admit to understanding them. This has to be quite frustrating for the caller. In this way even a slight acquaintance with the French language makes the world a better place. salut! Souhaitez-vous acheter un aspirateur aujourd'hui?
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Post by DragonKingReborn on Aug 20, 2020 21:48:04 GMT
The single best second language for North Americans to learn is French. Second? The QuΓ©bΓ©cois would like a word.
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Unpopular opinion: the best strength exercise there is, and the best way to determine someones overall physical strength in one exercise is the standing strict overhead shoulder press.
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Post by mousestalker on Aug 20, 2020 22:20:11 GMT
salut! Souhaitez-vous acheter un aspirateur aujourd'hui? Est-il fabriquΓ© par Acme?
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Post by B. Hieronymus Da on Aug 20, 2020 22:37:09 GMT
Smartphone cameras are crap (as cameras). It's very cool and convenient that everybody always goes around with a working camera ready. That means we get to see a lot of things we never would otherwise. But as cameras, they suck. Can't say I agree with that, I had a Huawei phone (can't recall the exact model) that made decent close up pictures, even compared with my Fuji XM-1. Of course, once you get into the low-light territory the tiny smartphone lens is hopelessly lost. I mean, I made this picture of a bumblebee I fed with honey water with my Huawei smartphone. This is more than adequate. βAdequateβ is a wide term and relative to use and purpose. There is no details, texture or structure visible in the dark areas. It's just solid black. When I say βcrapβ, it's also a relative term. I compare to other cameras of the same period. Fuji XM1 is a good camera. ( I hope you always keep the lens cap on when you're not taking pictures. And it's not to protect your lens. It's to protect the sensor's filters from light and preserve your camera's color quality.) The physical basis is that photography is not scaleable. Lightwaves have dimensions, and don't scale. Photons are quantities, not a continuum. Bigger cameras are better. In later years, phone cameras have become better by becoming bigger, not by advancing technology. A further step in the same direction is multiple cameras. More small cameras is a way to fit βa bigger cameraβ in the thin phone body. The only way to go better, is to go bigger. That is because sensor and lens technology have reached a phase where they are basically βperfectβ, for more than a decade ago. There's not much potential left for significant improvements. That's true about 'straight' camera technologies. There are a couple of really complicated theoretical possibilities that there is some research on. Both of them trying to get rid of the color filters. But I'm not expecting anything relevant to happen in my lifetime. There is also dichroitic splitter, but it doesn't really change anything. It's the same: Bigger is better. A color splitter camera is essentially just a three times larger camera. The technology was popular for professional video cameras for a while. I don't know if it still is. I don't keep tabs on everything. And then there is readout during exposure, which will do something completely different (dynamic range), but there is also no progress. So the function is simple: Bigger is better. And size is primarily decided by the size of the sensor, and then the lens, which sort of follows the sensor. At some point we get to βis 'better' really still visible in a normal image?β. While, at the same time, costs pretty much relate to the cube of the size, or even much more for small production volumes. All that concerns the image capturing technology. That's one side of quality in cameras. The other side is the image processing that produce the picture from the captured data. In that regard phone cameras are just as good as other cameras. Except they don't do RAW, for manual picture developing, which is how you squeeze out the best image quality. A third side is what operation and features the camera offers. Phone cameras don't do that much, at all.
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Post by Giant Ambush Beetle on Aug 20, 2020 23:55:28 GMT
Dude, I know how cameras work, I'm a hobby photographer myself with my specialty being low light and night sky photography ( so I absolutely know how important sensor size is, believe me - though even with the small 1.1'' sensor of my M1 I can take excellent pictures if I use my Samyang 12mm With F2, and that with ISO around 1250-1600! )
For that small size, phones actually have amazing cameras that work well for everything but full-on professional work. Which hardly justifies calling them crap.
That's like saying a BMW M3 is crap because it only goes 240 km/h compared to the 350 km/h a Lamborghini Superveloce does, and the handling isn't as good either.
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Post by B. Hieronymus Da on Aug 21, 2020 1:11:39 GMT
Dude, I know how cameras work, I'm a hobby photographer myself with my specialty being low light and night sky photography ( so I absolutely know how important sensor size is, believe me - though even with the small 1.1'' sensor of my M1 I can take excellent pictures if I use my Samyang 12mm With F2, and that with ISO around 1250-1600! ) For that small size, phones actually have amazing cameras that work well for everything but full-on professional work. Which hardly justifies calling them crap. That's like saying a BMW M3 is crap because it only goes 240 km/h compared to the 350 km/h a Lamborghini Superveloce does, and the handling isn't as good either. Well, I don't really agree with that. The XM1 sensor is not "small". It's an APS-C size sensor, which was for a rather long time the biggest sensor you could have in a camera, affordable on a consumer or hobbyist budget. It's still the second largest of the common sensor dimensions. Phones are ok for snapshots, socializing, mementos and documentation. But I wouldn't call any of them suitable for hobbyist photography. "Crap" is a harsh word, but this is the 'unpopular opinion thread'. The car analogy is nowhere close, IMO. Phones are like Fiat 500s. They can get you, groceries and your mother in law, anywhere. Not useless at all. But that's it.
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Post by Giant Ambush Beetle on Aug 21, 2020 9:10:01 GMT
The car analogy is nowhere close, IMO. Phones are like Fiat 500s. They can get you, groceries and your mother in law, anywhere. Not useless at all. But that's it. Well, yeah its close, the Fiat 500 will do 80% of what you gonna do with a car just fine, the 20% you spend on a racetrack / German Autobahn is where the Lamborghini will make it eat dirt. That's about it. Heck, another thing that speaks against phone cameras being crap is that most people do not possess the skills or knowledge to use a ''professional'' camera to its full potential anyway, for most people a phone camera is perfectly adequate and due to the ease of use and simplicity actually preferable.
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Post by fredvdp on Aug 21, 2020 9:40:35 GMT
I absolutely love Batman Returns (1992). I know some people don't like it and prefer the first movie more. I think it's underappreciated. Batman Returns is my favorite out of all Batman films. Michelle Pfeiffer, Danny DeVito, and Christopher Walken were perfectly cast.
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