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Post by DomeWing333 on Oct 15, 2016 1:19:03 GMT
That ancient part of our brain did its job to ensure our survival back when our brains weren't developed enough to make fast conclusions based on logics. Our brains still aren't developed enough to make fast conclusions based on logic. What they have developed is the ability to analyze and evaluate the conclusions reached by our more knee-jerk cognitive systems (emotions, heuristics, biases) post-hoc, so that those fast conclusions aren't the only ones we end up with.
While it's true that we tend to think better when we think logically, it's a slow process that's costly in terms of mental resources. And so the intuitive system is still useful and important to have as the first responder and workhorse of our minds. What you're proposing would be like a company thinking it can lay off all its laborers because it hired a new supervisor.
Further reading if interested: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dual_process_theory#Dual-process_accounts_of_reasoning |
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Post by CrutchCricket on Oct 15, 2016 2:21:56 GMT
It is not logical to have children for example. Many would argue "but it's to further your genes, to be part of the future" etc etc. But if you were being simply logical you would know that there is no point in furthering your own genes. Since your own genes are having their way with YOU, you might as well just cut your losses and enjoy as much of anything you can given you are only driven by logic before you expire. What does this mean? No matter how I read it, it does not argue your position at all. You would also either have zero sex drive or probably get rid of it. Sex drive has no part in logic. It is at cross purposes with logic. So make use eunuchs while you're at it. One could say, but we need sex, it helps us bond, it helps us reproduce etc etc, it helps with prostate health and reproduction helps with anti cancer prevention in women, but no sex is useless. Again, here you list several reasons counter to your point but don't bother actually arguing against them. If you're being facetious, I admit, the joke's over my head. Anyway I can see the ideal of Beetle's point but we're nowhere near as far along as he claims, even jokingly. I don't think humans need to completely purge emotions from the way they operate, but they should be able to detach them at any time, for any scope. Easier said than done of course. Like I said, it's an ideal, not a reality. |
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Post by Primordial Walker on Oct 15, 2016 2:53:24 GMT
Savory food >>>>>> sweet food
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Post by Hier0phant on Oct 15, 2016 5:32:20 GMT
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Post by mrsanomaly on Oct 15, 2016 14:52:12 GMT
It is not logical to have children for example. Many would argue "but it's to further your genes, to be part of the future" etc etc. But if you were being simply logical you would know that there is no point in furthering your own genes. Since your own genes are having their way with YOU, you might as well just cut your losses and enjoy as much of anything you can given you are only driven by logic before you expire. What does this mean? No matter how I read it, it does not argue your position at all. You would also either have zero sex drive or probably get rid of it. Sex drive has no part in logic. It is at cross purposes with logic. So make use eunuchs while you're at it. One could say, but we need sex, it helps us bond, it helps us reproduce etc etc, it helps with prostate health and reproduction helps with anti cancer prevention in women, but no sex is useless. Again, here you list several reasons counter to your point but don't bother actually arguing against them. If you're being facetious, I admit, the joke's over my head. Anyway I can see the ideal of Beetle's point but we're nowhere near as far along as he claims, even jokingly. I don't think humans need to completely purge emotions from the way they operate, but they should be able to detach them at any time, for any scope. Easier said than done of course. Like I said, it's an ideal, not a reality. RE: Genes having their way with you. We have barely touched the surface of understanding of our genetics. And there IS an agenda- whether this is known or actually cohesive- well I'm not saying necessarily that it is omniscient or sentient but rather we humans do things to further our genes all of the time whether we realize it consciously or not. This may seem relatively benign to most people but this is the meta we're talking about and it would take a lot of analysis to figure out how it might have thwarted you in your own life. I'm not sitting around being paranoid about this- nor am I putting on tin foil hats. But I just know that I'm attracted to my husband and wanted to have children due to not only culture but what my genes want. RE: Emotions: Of course it's best to consider things with logic, mostly, whenever possible. But as someone already mentioned our brain doesn't process as quickly as needed in dire situations which is what the ancient portion of our brain is dedicated to react to. And I'm sorry, but I am not being facetious about our sex drives. I literally think that they are useless and dumb, but I freely admit that I am a sexual creature, enjoy it, and I do not condemn it. But if you look at it from a strictly less biased space, it wastes a lot of time and effort in our lives that could be directed to "something more useful". Anyway I'm not (isn't this obvious?) a very formal debater  nor am I skilled in it. I just type what I think and edit when necessary  |
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Post by masterwarderz on Oct 15, 2016 15:01:53 GMT
I took a graze to the left shin, and I have an abdomen with a few tiny scars from shrapnel that was redirected from another surface. Nothing major or close to your level, and I didn't get a purple heart for either (which is fine with me). My unit has the request record filled out by the Company Commander still, though I asked them not to submit it. Grazes suck shit too man, and to be fair? I didn't ask for the medal, my CO pushed it and I was unconscious most of the time the process was underway. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2016 15:42:11 GMT
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Post by CrutchCricket on Oct 15, 2016 18:05:30 GMT
RE: Genes having their way with you. We have barely touched the surface of understanding of our genetics. And there IS an agenda- whether this is known or actually cohesive- well I'm not saying necessarily that it is omniscient or sentient but rather we humans do things to further our genes all of the time whether we realize it consciously or not. This may seem relatively benign to most people but this is the meta we're talking about and it would take a lot of analysis to figure out how it might have thwarted you in your own life. I'm not sitting around being paranoid about this- nor am I putting on tin foil hats. But I just know that I'm attracted to my husband and wanted to have children due to not only culture but what my genes want. RE: Emotions: Of course it's best to consider things with logic, mostly, whenever possible. But as someone already mentioned our brain doesn't process as quickly as needed in dire situations which is what the ancient portion of our brain is dedicated to react to. And I'm sorry, but I am not being facetious about our sex drives. I literally think that they are useless and dumb, but I freely admit that I am a sexual creature, enjoy it, and I do not condemn it. But if you look at it from a strictly less biased space, it wastes a lot of time and effort in our lives that could be directed to "something more useful". Anyway I'm not (isn't this obvious?) a very formal debater nor am I skilled in it. I just type what I think and edit when necessary Ok, but none of that is "at cross purposes" with logic. The instinct to pass on your genes is just that, instinct. It's physically hardwired into all lifeforms. The sex drive is again physical instinct that facilitates that. Instinct is is distinct (hah!) from emotions. So whereas the discussion was about logic vs emotion you've now introduced a third side, instinct. Personally it seems to me that instinct is the foundation for action and thus on a different level from the other two. It's a hierarchy of self-motivation (I'd say cognitive but I don't want to use psych terms incorrectly and get called out on it). All creatures have instinct, fewer have emotion and fewer still logic. The latter are higher order mental functions, with the latter seeming to be the most willful and under our control. So it makes sense to use it to try and control the others when necessary. |
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Post by BamBam the Destroyer on Oct 15, 2016 20:32:38 GMT
I think Michelle Obama should be president I do not like her, but I think she would have been better than Hilary. At least in the election, anyway. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2016 20:48:16 GMT
Are you a Vulcan?  Nope...but I'm close!  www.google.ca/maps/place/Vulcan+County,+AB/@50.3729532,-113.6765152,8.25z/data=!4m5!3m4!1s0x537297ad97c4c49b:0x2ee6b46793895438!8m2!3d50.4569406!4d-113.1077933 |
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Post by The Hype Himself on Oct 16, 2016 3:33:21 GMT
Unpopular opinion; I think the Lobby/Off-topic section of this forum is the only part that matters tbh.
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Post by HYR on Oct 16, 2016 4:17:56 GMT
I think Michelle Obama should be president I do not like her, but I think she would have been better than Hilary. At least in the election, anyway. May I ask why you do not like Michelle? Genuinely curious because I saw a poll that showed that she is not well-liked among conservative Republicans -- not saying you are one, it just kind of blew my mind since I fail to see what's not to like about her. |
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Post by The Hype Himself on Oct 16, 2016 4:22:22 GMT
I do not like her, but I think she would have been better than Hilary. At least in the election, anyway. May I ask why you do not like Michelle? Genuinely curious because I saw a poll that showed that she is not well-liked among conservative Republicans -- not saying you are one, it just kind of blew my mind since I fail to see what's not to like about her. Indeed, I foresee her going down the route of one of the more prolific First Ladies. I don't think politics are in her future ala Hillary, but I think she's definitely got a very strong career in activism awaiting her, and being a general stately, graceful, and diplomatic presence would make her a terrific representative for America on the global stage (especially if it ties into her activism.) |
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Post by BamBam the Destroyer on Oct 16, 2016 4:31:37 GMT
I do not like her, but I think she would have been better than Hilary. At least in the election, anyway. May I ask why you do not like Michelle? Genuinely curious because I saw a poll that showed that she is not well-liked among conservative Republicans -- not saying you are one, it just kind of blew my mind since I fail to see what's not to like about her. She has a whole lot of 'anti-america' trash in her background and generally relies far too much on identity politics. She's essentially a sectarianist figure. Oh, and almost all of her public statements are where she misrepresents and attacks that in which you believe. That too. |
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Post by ToLazy4Name on Oct 16, 2016 4:37:34 GMT
I think Michelle Obama should be president I do not like her, but I think she would have been better than Hilary. At least in the election, anyway. A literal corpse would be better than Hillary. Actually, a literal corpse would be better than most politicians, honestly. It'd be like Calvin Coolidge but even more laid back. |
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Post by The Hype Himself on Oct 16, 2016 4:52:36 GMT
May I ask why you do not like Michelle? Genuinely curious because I saw a poll that showed that she is not well-liked among conservative Republicans -- not saying you are one, it just kind of blew my mind since I fail to see what's not to like about her. She has a whole lot of 'anti-america' trash in her background and generally relies far too much on identity politics. She's essentially a sectarianist figure. Oh, and almost all of her public statements are where she misrepresents and attacks that in which you believe. That too. Given that you do exactly that, I'm going to be a skeptic (and invoke a poisoning of the well) and say that you're arguing with the mirror by calling it ugly. |
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Post by The Hype Himself on Oct 16, 2016 4:56:24 GMT
I do not like her, but I think she would have been better than Hilary. At least in the election, anyway. A literal corpse would be better than Hillary. Actually, a literal corpse would be better than most politicians, honestly. It'd be like Calvin Coolidge but even more laid back. Mayhaps... but most politicians would be better than what you want. Obvious exceptions; Rand Paul, Paul Ryan, Donald Drumpf, Ron Paul, etc. Unpopular opinion; There are days where the dark side of my nature really wins out over my rational, optimistic, and humanistic self. I would love to see a rebellion against 'tyrannical government' from the right-wing/tea party/libertarian base. I would practically dare them to do it. My pig is hungry, and it wants to be sated by the blood of 'patriots'. Alas, the better angel of my nature kicks in and returns that sentiment back to the depths of my subconscious id where it belongs. |
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Post by BamBam the Destroyer on Oct 16, 2016 5:06:11 GMT
She has a whole lot of 'anti-america' trash in her background and generally relies far too much on identity politics. She's essentially a sectarianist figure. Oh, and almost all of her public statements are where she misrepresents and attacks that in which you believe. That too. Given that you do exactly that, I'm going to be a skeptic (and invoke a poisoning of the well) and say that you're arguing with the mirror by calling it ugly. Nonsense. Every mirror feels blessed by my presence. |
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Post by The Hype Himself on Oct 16, 2016 5:44:06 GMT
Given that you do exactly that, I'm going to be a skeptic (and invoke a poisoning of the well) and say that you're arguing with the mirror by calling it ugly. Nonsense. Every mirror feels blessed by my presence. When you don't break it that is. |
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Post by BamBam the Destroyer on Oct 16, 2016 15:41:58 GMT
Nonsense. Every mirror feels blessed by my presence. When you don't break it that is. When it breaks, its because it cannot handle my greatness. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2016 16:48:29 GMT
Well I think Michelle Obama is amazing shes a truly inspirational person for millions of people and is generally lovely I think that if she was a presidential candidate she'd win and that shed be the best president we've ever had just saying |
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Post by BamBam the Destroyer on Oct 16, 2016 16:59:36 GMT
Well I think Michelle Obama is amazing shes a truly inspirational person for millions of people and is generally lovely I think that if she was a presidential candidate she'd win and that shed be the best president we've ever had just saying Somehow I think Lincoln would still be #1.  I think if she ran this cycle, she would win. Easily. Unlike almost everyone else, she has a shred of charisma. Future cycles? Who knows. No one has really done the full scale dirt digging like they have on Hilary or Trump to her. I doubt she'd run though. Well, unless loads of people grab her leg and plead with her. She doesn't seem to be looking that direction atm. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2016 17:03:17 GMT
Ok then the best president we've had for a while I think she would also Well Ill keep on hoping |
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Post by FraQ on Oct 16, 2016 17:17:20 GMT
Cake sucks.
Pie is much yummier!
That's right! I said it!
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