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Post by poultrymancer on Jul 28, 2017 17:10:38 GMT
So, I had a run of luck (?) last night and pulled 4 URs in the span of 6 packs. Inferno VII and VIII were among them (yay!), but the Eagle VII and VIII were as well (boo, hiss, etc.).
I've generally tried to consciously steer away from the tendency to equip Hurricane/Dhan/Shadow on everything in the interest of avoiding stagnation, so I use a pretty fair assortment of guns routinely. But the Eagle's never really been among them, at least prominently; I've maybe used it a dozen times.
Unless it has any hidden attributes of which I'm unaware, it's essentially a slightly-lighter automatic Mattock:
Eagle VIII: --- damage: 108 --- rate of fire: 450 --- clip size: 24 --- max ammo: 229 --- weight: 9
Mattock X: --- damage: 113 --- rate of fire: 405 --- clip size: 20 --- max ammo: 200 --- weight: 13
It's certainly serviceable on Gold, but I can't really think of a niche for it on Plat. It doesn't feel like it does quite enough damage to use to good effect on weapon-centric characters, and it's vastly outclassed by its peers (Hurricane, Rozerad, Equalizer, even Ghost and Avenger) as a primer for casters.
Buuuut, I'm closing in on maxing it, which means in the very near future (hopefully not before Hurricane IX and X drop) my personal drop pool is going to expand to include its variants. I'd like to find some use for it so those drops don't irritate me as much as Bulwark Fucking Valyries do.
Does anyone find it shines on certain characters or builds, or in certain situations? Mod suggestions? I ran it last night (on Gold) with both barrel/clip and barrel/no-scope accuracy mod combinations. The former felt a touch too inaccurate for consistent headhunting, and the latter led to a lot of almost-dead enemies when my clip ran out. And again, that was on Gold. Help me like this gun on Plat, please.
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Post by Uchimura on Jul 28, 2017 17:14:38 GMT
Eagle's one of my faves, but I wouldn't run it on Plat..
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Post by rtrnofdmax on Jul 28, 2017 17:35:04 GMT
It can't be defended, which is sad. There were arguments for it before the bloom reductions, but it lost that niche as good midrange auto. I also have done some calculations for its DPS against armor, and even there it doesn't pull close to the Hurricane and Rozerad. Not even if you assume you have no damage boosts, just base weapon damage.
I think we all agree that we don't want to go back to the days of the Hurricane not being able to hit anything outside of 10m, so the Eagle needs a straight damage boost because the increased accuracy doesn't save it.
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Post by gethadept on Jul 28, 2017 17:37:17 GMT
Eagle is one of my highest lvl UR.
I tried it few times on different characters... but I always went back using Hurricane.
It has clip size buff recently.. but I doubt if it makes any kind of significant difference.
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Post by rtrnofdmax on Jul 28, 2017 18:01:51 GMT
It has clip size buff recently.. but I doubt if it makes any kind of significant difference. None. Hurricane and Rozerad reload so fast, have double and triple the clip size, double the RoF and around 2/3 of the per shot damage. Anything less than a 2:1 damage ratio for the Eagle and it's not in the conversation.
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Post by poultrymancer on Jul 28, 2017 18:19:27 GMT
It has clip size buff recently.. but I doubt if it makes any kind of significant difference. None. Hurricane and Rozerad reload so fast, have double and triple the clip size, double the RoF and around 2/3 of the per shot damage. Anything less than a 2:1 damage ratio for the Eagle and it's not in the conversation. Yeah, that sums is up pretty well. I came to the same conclusion, but I'm hoping someone comes along with a reasonable argument to the contrary. Doesn't look like it's going to happen.
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Post by angrybobh on Jul 28, 2017 18:21:57 GMT
I use it on casters rarely for the "well at least its different" attribute and I haven't completed the challenge. After the challenge I probably won't ever use it again. There is no other argument for using it and don't take it to platinum.
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Post by rtrnofdmax on Jul 28, 2017 18:28:59 GMT
I do honestly like the feel of it. The slow-fire auto is a change of pace and I think it helps to keep you on target before your clip empties. I also think an argument could be made for it doing better against armor, but the current mechanics and bonuses don't make it so. Apparently lots of pellets mess up armor more than a single powerful shot.
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Post by Transcended One on Jul 28, 2017 18:29:25 GMT
Eagle is my second lowest UR at VII, together with the Crusader and Kishock. My lowest is the Hurricane VI. Figures... I have a hard time to like the Eagle and I think it's even worse than the N7 Valkyrie, which at least does SOME damage. "well at least its different" attribute and I haven't completed the challenge. After the challenge I probably won't ever use it again. That's also the only reason I would take it into battle.
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Post by Uchimura on Jul 28, 2017 18:35:15 GMT
Eagle is my second lowest UR at VII, together with the Crusader and Kishock. My lowest is the Hurricane VI. Figures... I have a hard time to like the Eagle and I think it's even worse than the N7 Valkyrie, which at least does SOME damage. "well at least its different" attribute and I haven't completed the challenge. After the challenge I probably won't ever use it again. That's also the only reason I would take it into battle. Valkyrie can burn in hell.
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Post by Transcended One on Jul 28, 2017 18:38:17 GMT
Eagle is my second lowest UR at VII, together with the Crusader and Kishock. My lowest is the Hurricane VI. Figures... I have a hard time to like the Eagle and I think it's even worse than the N7 Valkyrie, which at least does SOME damage. That's also the only reason I would take it into battle. Valkyrie can burn in hell. Amen to that. And I'm not even religious.
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Post by jloco11 on Jul 28, 2017 18:42:47 GMT
With the Hurricane and Rozerad, the only thing you would use the Eagle for are the challenge points.
Other than getting a Siphon version, it's not going to outperform the other SMGs.
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Post by JRandall0308 on Jul 28, 2017 19:44:17 GMT
It was good in ME3 on a Turian Soldier.
(But then again, what wasn't?)
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Post by Transcended One on Jul 28, 2017 20:03:30 GMT
It was good in ME3 on a Turian Soldier. (But then again, what wasn't?) True...true...
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Post by Beerfish on Jul 28, 2017 20:48:42 GMT
I have been working on the eagle objective for what seems like months, it stinks. The Me3 eagle i like, this thing blows. I keep the rosie as my 2nd weapon and it often comes out the last couple waves when things are tougher. Pretty sure i have the Eagle I
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Post by poultrymancer on Jul 28, 2017 21:05:42 GMT
Valkyrie can burn in hell. Amen to that. And I'm not even religious. I've got two Valkyrie variants, and neither of them are the one that might actually be somewhat useful (Concussive). FMManifest
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Post by Transcended One on Jul 28, 2017 21:10:01 GMT
Amen to that. And I'm not even religious. I've got two Valkyrie variants, and neither of them are the one that might actually be somewhat useful (Concussive). FMManifest The Valkyrie is the only UR I have TWO variants of myself (also the Concussive and Bullwark)...
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Post by The Joe-Man on Jul 28, 2017 21:19:26 GMT
Not that I'm calling for a nerf but this speaks more to OP nature of the Hurricane and Rozerad than anything else. Pistols should have their niche but blazing DPS with no drawbacks isn't one of them. Even the fact that the Eagle outclasses the Mattock is insane.
I don't know why Bioware seems to have such a hard time understanding the roles of assault, battle, and semi-auto rifles versus pistols and SMGs. Rifles are higher caliber, more accurate and more stable but heavier and less maneuverable. It's not rocket surgery.
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Post by poultrymancer on Jul 29, 2017 2:26:47 GMT
Aaaaaaaaaaaand just got the Eagle IX.
Fuck.
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Post by treoir on Jul 29, 2017 3:17:50 GMT
I have heard that the eagle has better range than the hurricane (which has longer range than the rozerad), however, I have not actually tried it, because it's just that good.
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Post by poultrymancer on Jul 29, 2017 3:18:44 GMT
I have heard that the eagle has better range than the hurricane (which has longer range than the rozerad), however, I have not actually tried it, because it's just that good. With the new common accuracy mod the Hurricane has effectively unlimited range.
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Post by treoir on Jul 29, 2017 3:22:44 GMT
I have heard that the eagle has better range than the hurricane (which has longer range than the rozerad), however, I have not actually tried it, because it's just that good. With the new common accuracy mod the Hurricane has effectively unlimited range. Oh, nice. I wonder if it will stay that way? Also, what rank does it achieve this? My pistol targeting system is still a rank I...
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Post by poultrymancer on Jul 29, 2017 4:11:37 GMT
With the new common accuracy mod the Hurricane has effectively unlimited range. Oh, nice. I wonder if it will stay that way? Also, what rank does it achieve this? My pistol targeting system is still a rank I... I've only got it at IV myself.
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Post by Jeremiah12LGeek on Jul 29, 2017 16:22:39 GMT
I find it functions pretty well as a pistol sidearm. It probably helps that most of my Uncommon and rare weapons are still ranked 1-4, so even a rank 1 ultra rare will be quite a step up.
Still, it serves a highly versatile role as a sidearm, with the accuracy to hit targets at a distance, enough damage to be noticeable, and is serviceable for priming targets.
That's probably not much of a defense considering that it's an Ultra-Rare, but being able to perform a few functions reliably is not something that I would say of most other MEA pistols (at least not at the ranks that I have them.)
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Post by kalil on Jul 29, 2017 17:56:23 GMT
Aaaaaaaaaaaand just got the Eagle IX. Fuck. Grats. Only 31 more eagles to unlock!
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