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Post by fylimar on Sept 25, 2016 9:03:48 GMT
I love In hushed whispers. It reminds me a bit of an episode of Doctor Who with Dorian as a new incarnation of the Doctor . It's funny and witty and a bit sad (the part with the resisting sister or Connor and of course your friends sacrificing themselfs for you)and I have no problem playing it over and over again. I don't feel that kind of fun playing Champions of the Just. I did it once, because I liked that templar in Val Royeaux, who was shocked by what Lucius did and said to the sister there and I read, that he will become your templar liason like Fiona is for the mages. I definitely like him more than Fiona, but the quest is so boring. The only good part was with Cole in the Fade - it was a really great introduction for Cole. I probably will do CotJ again sometimes in the future, since I never finished the playthrough where I did it (it was with a mage Lavellan btw - I don't think, choosing either side is pro mage or pro templar - you only follow some information without knowing, that you will be able to recruit the templars at the end and of course you don't know by then, that the mages will be lost to you, but IHW is defntely more fun and since Dorian is one of my favorite companions, I have to help him always . Plus, I like the bookloving mage, who will keep the library at Skyhold in order, when the mages are recruited. I love bookworms, being one myself
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Post by Toyish Batphone on Sept 25, 2016 10:51:12 GMT
Toyish Batphone , that is a pretty definitive post on the "topic at hand". I couldn't agree more on any point, though I do allow my character to walk into the Redcliff Chantry meeting. I feel like it makes Dorian's later arrival at Haven's gates less awkward. I, too, hold Mage as my favorite class to play; and I agree with all of the reasoning points you've laid out above. I don't want to bash IHW, or say that no one should like it or play it. It's an okay quest. It's visually striking; and choice and variety are nearly always good. Still, I believe that many choose it reflexively because they feel they want to "support the mages". In the context of the story, no matter how badly I feel for many of them, I can't bring myself to "support them", risking the nascent Inquisition by bailing them out of the impossible situation into which they've put themselves. (Plus, time-travel. 🙄) Maybe I could've helped them with the support of the Templars at my back. That was a possibility in the back of my mind, at least. Ultimately, that wasn't meant to be. My Inquisitor doesn't have that metagame knowledge, though, so I don't factor it into my decision. Thanks. For me, IHW was done poorly because time travel stories are difficult to do in the first place and Bioware screwed up. If protagonist entered into a Dark Future, they should exit it knowing full well what they are facing instead of vague nonsense. There is no reason why the protagonist could not learn who the Elder One really is or who was responsible for killing Celene or who was responsible for creating the demon army since they met their followers and people like Fiona as well as Leliana and Alexius (who seemed to regret his actions) in the Dark Future. By contrast, the Envy Demon encounter was a series of thought battles in the protagonist's head. All that took place when the protagonist was in the Fade at Therinfal Redoubt was imaginary, not real and most importantly, did not happen, unlike the Dark Future. Additionally,mages are not a monolithic group. There are mages who rebelled violently, there are those who prefer diplomacy, there are those who are loyal and there are those who want to get away from it all - It was why the Circle had plenty of mage fraternities. The worst thing about IHW is how the Rebel Mages did not do anything to try to fix the problem at hand or help the Inquisition to prove that they deserve to be allied with, unlike the Templars. What is stopping them from leaving the Rebel Mages and joining Inquisition ? Alexius cannot risk attacking the Inquisition directly or he faces the wrath of both Ferelden and Inquisition, which was why he "politely called" the protagonist to a one-on-one meeting at Redcliffe Castle. The Venatori are not patrolling or watching over the Rebel Mages. Truly, they could have given the finger and just left the mess but somehow, stupidly, they did not. As far as I know, neither Dorian nor Felix are Rebel Mages.
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Post by Dukemon on Sept 25, 2016 11:25:57 GMT
I prefer the mages. This was in every Dragon Age Game. My First playthrough in Dragon Age Oigins was with a mage, I had killed every Templar i could in Dragon Age Oigins, Awakening and Dragon Age 2 because I can not agree with this assholes. Templars have no own imaging they dont asking why they have to do that what they are doing and that i can not Support. Soldiers are idiots. That is it what i have learnd from templars and the inocentes have to suffer. Since I have chose to help the mages. Time magic is one of the few things in DAI that has no conflict with the RPG rules of the Dragon Age RPG from Dragon Age Oigins
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Post by flyingovertrout on Sept 25, 2016 15:38:06 GMT
I much prefer IHW as a quest, adventuring with Dorian over Cole, and Red Templars as main mooks, but also love Calpernia and wish both she and Samson (and their quests) would still had been part of the game simultaneously.
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Post by Element Zero on Sept 25, 2016 16:25:34 GMT
The worst thing about IHW is how the Rebel Mages did not do anything to try to fix the problem at hand or help the Inquisition to prove that they deserve to be allied with, unlike the Templars. What is stopping them from leaving the Rebel Mages and joining Inquisition ? Alexius cannot risk attacking the Inquisition directly or he faces the wrath of both Ferelden and Inquisition, which was why he "politely called" the protagonist to a one-on-one meeting at Redcliffe Castle. The Venatori are not patrolling or watching over the Rebel Mages. Truly, they could have given the finger and just left the mess but somehow, stupidly, they did not. As far as I know, neither Dorian nor Felix are Rebel Mages. This is a huge hurdle for me, too. When I speak with a few of the mages in the Gull and Lantern, they express concern with Fiona's leadership. They express that they never wanted to rebel in the first place, a common refrain. They express concern about Tevinter involvement. Instead of any one of them ever doing a single thing to assist, or to determine their own individual circumstances, they expect the Inquisition to fix their ills for them. The entire time I'm thinking, "Why don't you walk out? Grab your likeminded friends, and walk out 'under the protection of the Inquisition', if it makes you feel better. I won't force you to serve, later." Had a dozen or so done that, I suspect it would've triggered a mass exodus. Of course, it wasn't written that way. It was written in a way that made the mages look like useless, untrustworthy idiots. This is why I always walk out of my talk with Dorian with a promise to "think about it", and then head to Therinfal Redoubt to check my other, hopefully more stable, option. Ser Barris and his brave brethren prove themselves to be that better option, both at Therinfal and beyond. Edit: I thought Clemence, the tranquil Mage met in the Gull and Lantern, deserved a nod. He had his head in the right place. One can count on the tranquil to see the clearly, I guess. We don't even get the chance to recruit him, as he brings it up himself. Good man. He identified the proper way out and took the initiative.
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Post by capn233 on Sept 25, 2016 16:30:23 GMT
If it weren't for the time travel schtick, IHW would be pretty good. Magical time travel, go with it. I think I have done IHW more often than CoJ but that was just because it seemed like it made more sense to me to recruit the mages, but I probably like CoJ mission better, and I agree with those that said Calpernia and her arc are better than Samson's.
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Post by vilio1 on Sept 25, 2016 16:46:24 GMT
In my opinion, In Hushed Whispers is more fun. The envy demon did nothing for me, compared to the "dark future" and Alexius, and I simply don't care about the fate of the templars because I hate everything they stand for.
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Post by thesupremedarkone on Sept 25, 2016 16:53:23 GMT
People complaining about why mages don't just joi the Inquisition when you first meet them: tell me, how would you have reacted if that's what happened and thus you automatically always got mages and could never side with the Templars
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Post by cardbutton on Sept 25, 2016 17:03:39 GMT
People complaining about why mages don't just joi the Inquisition when you first meet them: tell me, how would you have reacted if that's what happened and thus you automatically always got mages and could never side with the Templars LOL well I think what people are complaining about is how artificial it is that its ALL or NOTHING decision. See ... we get why we don't get any of the Templars if you side with the Mages. That makes sense as if you don't choose them, the Templars are either completely consumed by Red Lyrium OR those that aren't are killed fighting back against those that are. This is presumably why Barris doesn't ever show up if the Rebel's were chosen. There really is no such excuse for the Rebels though. There really is no reason that at least some of them just don't choose to leave with the Inquisition once contact with Redcliffe is made. I don't think anyone would have expected to get all of them, but to get absolutely NONE of them makes very little sense.
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Post by Catilina on Sept 25, 2016 17:09:00 GMT
In my opinion, In Hushed Whispers is more fun. The envy demon did nothing for me, compared to the "dark future" and Alexius, and I simply don't care about the fate of the templars because I hate everything they stand for. I almost forget Alexius! I like him and Samson, very good characters.
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Post by melbella on Sept 25, 2016 17:17:33 GMT
Plus, I like the bookloving mage, who will keep the library at Skyhold in order, when the mages are recruited. I love bookworms, being one myself
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Post by Element Zero on Sept 25, 2016 18:56:06 GMT
People complaining about why mages don't just joi the Inquisition when you first meet them: tell me, how would you have reacted if that's what happened and thus you automatically always got mages and could never side with the Templars That would be even worse writing. At that point, there would be no educated choice at all. It would be simply a matter of where you visited first. I understand why it's one or the other. Being able to land both, especially after they've been engaged in a bitter war, would be too unrealistically pie in the sky. The complaint many of us have is that the mages aren't portrayed well. They passively allow Fiona to lead them toward disaster, despite their doubts. None of them step up and help the Inquisitor. They instead sit back and wait for a rescue that may or may not come. I'd be much happier had the mages been portrayed more equally with the Templars. Some mages should've heroically stood up and helped the Inquisitor oppose some Venatori scheme. (The time magic plot excluded them from the story, and focused the spotlight on Dorian and the Inquisitor, to the overall storyline's detriment.) The mages should've been given a more active role in the game post-Breach, as well. The writers just never made them look too capable. They look like they've completely lost their way. The Templars, meanwhile, are able to be salvaged and admirably rebuilt "onscreen", rather than in post-game slides. It's a writing issue, not a Mage-Templar issue. Like I've continually said, I like both sides of that in-setting divide, and empathize with both sides. Each includes great and terrible people. I just feel like the Templars got much better writing in this game, unfortunately.
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Post by xerrai on Sept 25, 2016 19:55:06 GMT
The worst thing about IHW is how the Rebel Mages did not do anything to try to fix the problem at hand or help the Inquisition to prove that they deserve to be allied with, unlike the Templars. What is stopping them from leaving the Rebel Mages and joining Inquisition ? Alexius cannot risk attacking the Inquisition directly or he faces the wrath of both Ferelden and Inquisition, which was why he "politely called" the protagonist to a one-on-one meeting at Redcliffe Castle. The Venatori are not patrolling or watching over the Rebel Mages. Truly, they could have given the finger and just left the mess but somehow, stupidly, they did not. As far as I know, neither Dorian nor Felix are Rebel Mages. This is a huge hurdle for me, too. When I speak with a few of the mages in the Gull and Lantern, they express concern with Fiona's leadership. They express that they never wanted to rebel in the first place, a common refrain. They express concern about Tevinter involvement. Instead of any one of them ever doing a single thing to assist, or to determine their own individual circumstances, they expect the Inquisition to fix their ills for them. The entire time I'm thinking, " Why don't you walk out? Grab your likeminded friends, and walk out 'under the protection of the Inquisition', if it makes you feel better. I won't force you to serve, later." Had a dozen or so done that, I suspect it would've triggered a mass exodus. Of course, it wasn't written that way. It was written in a way that made the mages look like useless, untrustworthy idiots. This is why I always walk out of my talk with Dorian with a promise to "think about it", and then head to Therinfal Redoubt to check my other, hopefully more stable, option. Ser Barris and his brave brethren prove themselves to be that better option, both at Therinfal and beyond. Edit: I thought Clemence, the tranquil Mage met in the Gull and Lantern, deserved a nod. He had his head in the right place. One can count on the tranquil to see the clearly, I guess. We don't even get the chance to recruit him, as he brings it up himself. Good man. He identified the proper way out and took the initiative. One reason they may not be able to leave is because the Hinterlands is basically a war-zone. Templars and mages alike are fighting right outside their door, and due to their self-imposed isolation they probably don't know when or if the fighting has died down (especially if time magic is a factor in Redcliffe). Second reason is that they are mages--and ergo do not have any training when it comes to navigating hostile terrain. Furthermore, their status mages can easily incite ire and fear among the normal populace, which can further complicate traveling when even the populace may be an extra enemy. This contrasts tot the Templars who are usually accepted with open arms as protectors of the people. Third reason is the majority are not soldiers or are remotely familiar with such situations. Even if they do get a plan to escape, most of them are far too afraid to put it into action when the situation their in now--however dire--is at least safer at the moment then whatever lies outside Redcliffe's walls in their mind. This is all compounded further depending on how the Inquisition is handled by every particular Herald. The Inquisitor can very well make the Inquisition a force more formidable and frightening then the Templars ever would be. In such cases, joining the "protection of the Inquisition" would make little to no sense. In the end though, they just foolish cowards that can't or won't do anything to go against Fiona or Alexius. But unfortunately, I can't blame them too much for that. They are just scared people with no military training brought into a rebellion they don't know how to conduct. I'd feel rather awful if I judged them for being lacking in courage. Not Fiona and the higher tiers of the rebellion though, those I want to judge for negligence.
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Post by thesupremedarkone on Sept 25, 2016 20:59:03 GMT
People complaining about why mages don't just joi the Inquisition when you first meet them: tell me, how would you have reacted if that's what happened and thus you automatically always got mages and could never side with the Templars That would be even worse writing. At that point, there would be no educated choice at all. It would be simply a matter of where you visited first. I understand why it's one or the other. Being able to land both, especially after they've been engaged in a bitter war, would be too unrealistically pie in the sky. The complaint many of us have is that the mages aren't portrayed well. They passively allow Fiona to lead them toward disaster, despite their doubts. None of them step up and help the Inquisitor. They instead sit back and wait for a rescue that may or may not come. I'd be much happier had the mages been portrayed more equally with the Templars. Some mages should've heroically stood up and helped the Inquisitor oppose some Venatori scheme. (The time magic plot excluded them from the story, and focused the spotlight on Dorian and the Inquisitor, to the overall storyline's detriment.) The mages should've been given a more active role in the game post-Breach, as well. The writers just never made them look too capable. They look like they've completely lost their way. The Templars, meanwhile, are able to be salvaged and admirably rebuilt "onscreen", rather than in post-game slides. It's a writing issue, not a Mage-Templar issue. Like I've continually said, I like both sides of that in-setting divide, and empathize with both sides. Each includes great and terrible people. I just feel like the Templars got much better writing in this game, unfortunately. I believe it's intentional since Gaider himself said he was annoyed so many people sided with the mages in DA2 (hilarious considering he wrote the blatantly pro mage Asunder) so apparently the mages were made to be idiots in order to make people actually consider siding with the Templars. However, stuff like the poll and similar polls on other sites show that while more people are willing to help the Templars, people are still abundantly pro Mage as show by nearly 70% on average getting Divine Leliana and 60% allying with mages. So in all, it's just writing to make the mages look like idiots to make people willing to side with the templars
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Post by Element Zero on Sept 25, 2016 21:23:19 GMT
That would be even worse writing. At that point, there would be no educated choice at all. It would be simply a matter of where you visited first. I understand why it's one or the other. Being able to land both, especially after they've been engaged in a bitter war, would be too unrealistically pie in the sky. The complaint many of us have is that the mages aren't portrayed well. They passively allow Fiona to lead them toward disaster, despite their doubts. None of them step up and help the Inquisitor. They instead sit back and wait for a rescue that may or may not come. I'd be much happier had the mages been portrayed more equally with the Templars. Some mages should've heroically stood up and helped the Inquisitor oppose some Venatori scheme. (The time magic plot excluded them from the story, and focused the spotlight on Dorian and the Inquisitor, to the overall storyline's detriment.) The mages should've been given a more active role in the game post-Breach, as well. The writers just never made them look too capable. They look like they've completely lost their way. The Templars, meanwhile, are able to be salvaged and admirably rebuilt "onscreen", rather than in post-game slides. It's a writing issue, not a Mage-Templar issue. Like I've continually said, I like both sides of that in-setting divide, and empathize with both sides. Each includes great and terrible people. I just feel like the Templars got much better writing in this game, unfortunately. I believe it's intentional since Gaider himself said he was annoyed so many people sided with the mages in DA2 (hilarious considering he wrote the blatantly pro mage Asunder) so apparently the mages were made to be idiots in order to make people actually consider siding with the Templars. However, stuff like the poll and similar polls on other sites show that while more people are willing to help the Templars, people are still abundantly pro Mage as show by nearly 70% on average getting Divine Leliana and 60% allying with mages. So in all, it's just writing to make the mages look like idiots to make people willing to side with the templars I wish it were written more even handedly. As it stands, I've never once been able to stand with the Templars in DA2. (I need to do it for the trophy and then reload). The Kirkwall Templars wanted to murder everyone because of a handful of very bad people. Now, with DAI, I can hardly bear to help the Redcliff Mages, for the aforementioned reasons. If all things were equal, or nearly so, I'd happily go 50/50 on my playthroughs. I'd prefer that to my current, lopsided style. Sigh. I'm curious to see how we will see mages portrayed in the next game. We've only seen Tevinter from afar, but mages there have never been an oppressed minority by an means, so that sympathy angle will be gone. I wonder whether there will be more "Dorians" than we expect, or if the place really will be overflowing with power-hungry bloodmages. The Templars there have no power, literally, based upon what we've been told. I expect the Mage-Templar issue is essentially resolved, as much as possible. Lots of new lore headed our way, too. Can't wait.
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Post by fylimar on Sept 25, 2016 21:32:00 GMT
Plus, I like the bookloving mage, who will keep the library at Skyhold in order, when the mages are recruited. I love bookworms, being one myself
The NPC isn't dependent on which quest you choose. He shows up after you take the "Enhanced Studies" perk.
Thanks for that info - didn't know that.
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Post by Dabrikishaw on Sept 25, 2016 22:27:00 GMT
People complaining about why mages don't just joi the Inquisition when you first meet them: tell me, how would you have reacted if that's what happened and thus you automatically always got mages and could never side with the Templars LOL well I think what people are complaining about is how artificial it is that its ALL or NOTHING decision. See ... we get why we don't get any of the Templars if you side with the Mages. That makes sense as if you don't choose them, the Templars are either completely consumed by Red Lyrium OR those that aren't are killed fighting back against those that are. This is presumably why Barris doesn't ever show up if the Rebel's were chosen. There really is no such excuse for the Rebels though. There really is no reason that at least some of them just don't choose to leave with the Inquisition once contact with Redcliffe is made. I don't think anyone would have expected to get all of them, but to get absolutely NONE of them makes very little sense. I always thought the game should have forced players to recruit the Templars to defeat the Venatori at Redcliffe, but instead the game makes getting mages or Templars an either or.
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Post by fylimar on Sept 26, 2016 17:18:53 GMT
About the portrayal of the mages: I agree with Xerai about the mages probably being too afraid to leave Redcliffe on their own. They have no experience with living on their own and fight and some mages even say that to you, if you ask. But I also agree with Element Zero, that this portrayal went a little over the top. They could have given some of the more experienced or angry mages some heroic scenes in the dark future - people like Fiona, who was a Grey Warden, or Lysas, who was really pissed off, that the Tevs showed up or even Connor. I would have loved to see Connor fighting some demons instead of killing himself so quietly, that I completely missed it on two playthroughs (there were companions bantering during that scene - and disturbingly, it was something completely funny, so the group basically laughed, while poor Connor threw himself into the flames or whatever he does - I wasn't able to see the scene yet, just heard him screaming and my inqui yelling 'Connor - no'). I always metagamed that Lysas and Fiona were in those cells, because they resisted and fought back, but I would have loved to see it. You get tons of heroic Leliana scenes, where one would have been enough (why not let Fiona make the last stand instead of Leliana, we all know, that Leli is tough, but Fiona could have benefit from such a scene, considering, how many player view her) I did CHampions of the Just with my dwarf rogue yesterday - and the reason behind it was not, that she liked the templars better than the mages, but that a) the templars are a threat, that must be dealt with quickly (while the mages as far as she knows are still save and sound in Redcliff, so no pressure there) and she is Carta and would have loved to get the Lyrium trade flowing again - being the Herald doesn't mean that you can't also be a good business woman - so completely down-to-earth reasons. Funnily enough, the first thing, my little Lia said after the CotJ quest, was that she knows, how to secure Lyrium I still find IHW more fun to play and Dorians introduction is better. I find it ok, that Cole just shows up somwhere along the road - that is, what he does, but if you don't go to Redcliffe before doing CotJ, having Dorian showing up on your doorstep is a bit more awkward storywise. Oh and I really hate the part in CotJ, where you have to find the veterans and lyrium and running back to the Great Hall to save the templars, as if they could not handle two or three of those Red Lyrium zombies. That is one of the most boring scenes in the whole game (and I do include the hyenas in the Hissing Waste)
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Post by Element Zero on Sept 26, 2016 21:48:50 GMT
fylimar , I agree that Dorian's arrival at Haven is abrupt if you've never previously met. I always choose to meet him in the Redcliff Chantry, regardless of my ultimate path, as my Inquisitor weighs his or her options. If I choose to immediately help him, it's because I decide the situation requires my immediate intervention. If I go to Therinfal, it's because I'd prefer a modest army of Templars at my back, both for the breach and for the mage situation.
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Post by Crim on Sept 26, 2016 23:19:08 GMT
Champions of the Just. Better story, feels more personal than IHW. More opportunities for impactful decisions. Fewer time travel-related headaches. Feels like you're standing with allies against evil rather than just mopping up someone else's mess. Nets a better rival than IHW and ultimately offers more insight into Corypheus. Agreed. Plus we get Ser Barris and can reward him for all his good work. I feel Champions of the Just is better written and I think Calpernia is better than Samson. Plus you get the extra little tidbits about corypheus that make him slightly less "Mwahahahahahaha evil" villain. However, I do In Hushed Whispers more simply because of Dorian, my own view on mages, Dorian, and Dorian. I also agree with this also. I've done IHW more simply because mages are my most used class and when I play em I'm pro-mage. *Freedom, freeeeedooooom rabble rabble rabble*
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Post by phoray on Sept 27, 2016 1:22:42 GMT
This was a tough decision. At first I absolutely hated In Hushed Whispers, because of the time traveling plotline. I was stuck on this:If only they had not used the time traveling plotline and kept the theme about what lengths does a father goes to to save his son. I wanted to support the mages so many times over the templars but I couldn't see past the time travel for the longest time. Lately I've been playing that plot because of Dorian and don't dislike it. It's a moving questline and the poor mages were in a tough spot, Fiona had no good options and chose the worst. Samson, he never quite learned anything from DA2 to DAI - what was that poor guy thinking, Hawke tried to help him. Champions of the Just I liked the way Cole was introduced. He is a spirit so coming in the fade was interesting. The quest design in Therinfal Redoubt was more creative and original, not as dark and disturbing as In Hushed Whispers. I like how your team members appear and your fears are shown and you have to work through them. The Downside is no Dorian till later and siding with the Templars. So in the end I wish we didn't have to choose between the two and we could play both. Anyways, I picked Champions of the Just. I just realized that in ny last play of DA2, Cullen told me that everyone had been hung from the mission where Hawke's LI/Friend/Sibling had been kidnapped.which means I killed Samson. Wonder how he got out of that...probably some Templar took pity on him.
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Post by phoray on Sept 27, 2016 1:53:32 GMT
I just realized that in ny last play of DA2, Cullen told me that everyone had been hung from the mission where Hawke's LI/Friend/Sibling had been kidnapped.which means I killed Samson. Wonder how he got out of that...probably some Templar took pity on him. Oh no, I didn't know that happened. I need to pay more attention with that quest. Do you need to talk to Cullen right after that quest? I'll remember to talk to him with my current Hawkes. hmmm, maybe in DAI they are using the line where you tell Cullen Samson helped and maybe Cullen did and gave him mercy? Wonder if you can ask Cullen in DAI?
Yeah, I needed to turn something in at the Gallows anyway, so I try to click on all the clickable people just in case there is extra Event Dialogue. I was playing an Evil Hawke who had told Cullen on the Coast not to go easy on them. The No Mercy option. So, I headed back to the Gallows and then I asked Cullen what Meredith had decided to do with Samson and Alain and he said, "Didn't you see them on your way in?" But the facial expression, delivery, and tone, were very much that they'd been hung from the Gallows and that I should have seen their dead bodies when I walked in.
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Post by phoray on Sept 27, 2016 3:33:31 GMT
Yeah, I needed to turn something in at the Gallows anyway, so I try to click on all the clickable people just in case there is extra Event Dialogue. I was playing an Evil Hawke who had told Cullen on the Coast not to go easy on them. The No Mercy option. So, I headed back to the Gallows and then I asked Cullen what Meredith had decided to do with Samson and Alain and he said, "Didn't you see them on your way in?" But the facial expression, delivery, and tone, were very much that they'd been hung from the Gallows and that I should have seen their dead bodies when I walked in. Thank you. Ah, I'll be sure to ask Cullen. Not sure I want to see the bodies. They don't actually show you the dead bodies. It's just that line, and that's the onky thing said about the matter. It's just the way he said it very much indicated to me that Samson and Alain had been hung.
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Post by Element Zero on Sept 28, 2016 4:58:27 GMT
This was a tough decision. At first I absolutely hated In Hushed Whispers, because of the time traveling plotline. I was stuck on this:If only they had not used the time traveling plotline and kept the theme about what lengths does a father goes to to save his son. I wanted to support the mages so many times over the templars but I couldn't see past the time travel for the longest time. Lately I've been playing that plot because of Dorian and don't dislike it. It's a moving questline and the poor mages were in a tough spot, Fiona had no good options and chose the worst. Samson, he never quite learned anything from DA2 to DAI - what was that poor guy thinking, Hawke tried to help him. Champions of the Just I liked the way Cole was introduced. He is a spirit so coming in the fade was interesting. The quest design in Therinfal Redoubt was more creative and original, not as dark and disturbing as In Hushed Whispers. I like how your team members appear and your fears are shown and you have to work through them. The Downside is no Dorian till later and siding with the Templars. So in the end I wish we didn't have to choose between the two and we could play both. Anyways, I picked Champions of the Just. I've noticed that everyone cites the "no Dorian until later" as such a bummer. This seems odd to me, since he's only available during IHW, no? Then, everyone goes to Skyhold as usual, and everyone has access to the exact same party members, regardless of which a Milestone Mission was chosen. Am I overlooking something obvious? It's been some time since I've played IHW, since I took a long break from the game. Both of my playthroughs since returning have predictably been CotJ. I think my predilection for mages has often led me to use Dorian a bit less, anyway, despite loving his character. Solas is my #1 NPC mage. My non-mages use a two-mage party with Solas and Dorian pretty often; but I don't recall feeling that IHW gave me any real bonus time with Dorian, other than that single mission itself.
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Post by riverdaleswhiteflash on Sept 28, 2016 8:35:18 GMT
I can't really think why I liked the Time-Travel thing, but I honestly did. I get that a lot of people didn't, and I get why, but it just clicked with me.
Plus, it seems to me that while using mages to pump energy into the mark sounded like a risky, desperate idea, having Templars channel their power at the Breach itself to weaken it just seems like something that shouldn't work at all. (At least until you get Solas's dialogue with Cassandra on how Templar powers make the objective rules of reality stronger; that would explain it, but how many people got that dialogue before they went too far with this decision? And Cullen didn't explain it in that much detail: he just said "trust me, I know what Templars can do.")
Plus, whether you believe in mage freedom or that the Inquisition should force them back into the Circles, mages are in a lot of respects more powerful allies than the Templars.
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