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Post by jasonpogo on Aug 2, 2017 13:45:12 GMT
Ok so the Archon needed SAM to use the remanent stuff. So how dose kidnapping your brother/sister do this? It's been a while since I played through it. So maybe there was something but it dose not add up. Your sibling has the same secondary implant as Cora or Liam. They are not connected to SAM like you the Pathfinder are.
Seriously I just don't get this. If I am an idiot and totally missed something that is fine please let me know.
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Post by BadgerladDK on Aug 2, 2017 13:55:02 GMT
Sam mentions it early on when talking about the coma situation, I believe. Both siblings have the same implant, the private channel thing is Pathfinder only, though.
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Post by isaidlunch on Aug 2, 2017 13:57:37 GMT
You're not an idiot, I don't really understand it either.
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Post by Arcian on Aug 2, 2017 14:00:33 GMT
The power of sibling rivalry, of course.
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Post by sjsharp2010 on Aug 2, 2017 15:26:14 GMT
Ok so the Archon needed SAM to use the remanent stuff. So how dose kidnapping your brother/sister do this? It's been a while since I played through it. So maybe there was something but it dose not add up. Your sibling has the same secondary implant as Cora or Liam. They are not connected to SAM like you the Pathfinder are. Seriously I just don't get this. If I am an idiot and totally missed something that is fine please let me know. That's because he's using the siblings implant as a relay. Much like SAM uses your implant to enhance your capabilities and your physiology throughout the game. At least that's how I understand it.
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Post by xassantex on Aug 2, 2017 15:29:27 GMT
if both siblings had the same implant what does Alec tell SAM to transfer on Habitat 7 ? Ok, there's the private channel but there's also an integration with Ryder's physiology beyond even what other pathfinders have ( which is what allows Ryder Jr to resuscitate ) , so twin Ryder also has this? How come? Alec had the entire family hooked on Special SAM ? Because that integration, SAM says that if Ryder dies, he/she/it also dies. Yet there is no mention of that regarding the twin. Finally i always thought that integration is what allowed Ryder to interact with Remnant tech but maybe i was mistaken. This is more confusing than Bioware rumors.
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Post by Psychevore on Aug 2, 2017 17:02:08 GMT
if both siblings had the same implant what does Alec tell SAM to transfer on Habitat 7 ? Ok, there's the private channel but there's also an integration with Ryder's physiology beyond even what other pathfinders have ( which is what allows Ryder Jr to resuscitate ) , so twin Ryder also has this? How come? Alec had the entire family hooked on Special SAM ? Because that integration, SAM says that if Ryder dies, he/she/it also dies. Yet there is no mention of that regarding the twin. Finally i always thought that integration is what allowed Ryder to interact with Remnant tech but maybe i was mistaken. This is more confusing than Bioware rumors. Full control over physiology. Twin Ryder does not have this. Twin Ryder does have an implant that allows SAM to take full control if the twin woud become pathfinder. Alec allows Sam to do this to Ryder. (I'm assuming here SAM can only do this with permission) and (a part of) his memories. Other Pathfinder team members do not have this kind of implants. The Archon makes use of special abilities of the implant to do whatever he does.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 2, 2017 17:11:19 GMT
Also consider that SAM himself is changing/evolving throughout the game. This is not quite exactly the same SAM as what Alec Senior transfered into Ryder at the beginning of the game. SAM is continually learning through Ryder's experiences and part of that experience that Alec never had involved being a twin. Also, SAM devises a special access to gain communication with the comatose twin... something that was normally outside of SAM's abilities initially.
Ryder also learns to use Remnant tech to some degree without SAM. Some Angara (i.e. the ones on Havarl) learned how to work the security system at Mithrava without the aid of an AI. We don't know what natural or "learned the hardway" abilities Archon is throwing into the mix.
This game, in part, is about changing... and learning new things... both the easy way and the hard way.
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Post by shechinah on Aug 2, 2017 17:22:28 GMT
I believe it is revealed that Alec Ryder made the implants designated for his children different than the other implants because of his secrets.
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Post by griffith82 on Aug 2, 2017 17:33:04 GMT
I believe it is revealed that Alec Ryder made the implants designated for his children different than the other implants because of his secrets. It is. Towards the end of the game.
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Post by xassantex on Aug 2, 2017 22:03:03 GMT
so therefore Cora never was second in line to be Pathfinder in spite of her belief, otherwise she would have had the special implant too. Unless she could be pathfinder but just like the others, with SAM not taking control over her physiology.
If Twin Ryder had still been in a coma, a possibility, what would the Archon have done? And was Alec planning on a SAM dynasty , "his own private andromeda overlord" ?
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Post by kino on Aug 2, 2017 22:15:41 GMT
so therefore Cora never was second in line to be Pathfinder in spite of her belief, otherwise she would have had the special implant too. Unless she could be pathfinder but just like the others, with SAM not taking control over her physiology. If Twin Ryder had still been in a coma, a possibility, what would the Archon have done? And was Alec planning on a SAM dynasty , "his own private andromeda overlord" ? Sure Cora could have become Pathfinder, just like Avitus becomes the Turian Pathfinder. As for passing the torch to one of the twins it has to do with the conclusion of the task Ryder Family Secrets. SAM explains it at the end of that quest otherwise it would have been Cora.
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Post by xassantex on Aug 3, 2017 2:59:47 GMT
so therefore Cora never was second in line to be Pathfinder in spite of her belief, otherwise she would have had the special implant too. Unless she could be pathfinder but just like the others, with SAM not taking control over her physiology. If Twin Ryder had still been in a coma, a possibility, what would the Archon have done? And was Alec planning on a SAM dynasty , "his own private andromeda overlord" ? Sure Cora could have become Pathfinder, just like Avitus becomes the Turian Pathfinder. As for passing the torch to one of the twins it has to do with the conclusion of the task Ryder Family Secrets. SAM explains it at the end of that quest otherwise it would have been Cora. ah, not being a very good completionist i never bothered gathering all those secrets. So my runs have all kinds of gaps and holes which i just ignore.. till i don't . thank you for the enlightenment.. i now feel exalted .
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Post by kino on Aug 3, 2017 6:31:21 GMT
Sure Cora could have become Pathfinder, just like Avitus becomes the Turian Pathfinder. As for passing the torch to one of the twins it has to do with the conclusion of the task Ryder Family Secrets. SAM explains it at the end of that quest otherwise it would have been Cora. ah, not being a very good completionist i never bothered gathering all those secrets. So my runs have all kinds of gaps and holes which i just ignore.. till i don't . thank you for the enlightenment.. i now feel exalted . Ew. Enlightenment was definitely more the goal than exaltation. The Ryder Family Secrets chain was pretty good. Whole lot gets revealed at it's end.
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Post by PillarBiter on Aug 3, 2017 12:17:00 GMT
what?! No one made the "Space Magic" comment? BSN, you're slacking!
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Post by Psychevore on Aug 3, 2017 15:39:38 GMT
what?! No one made the "Space Magic" comment? BSN, you're slacking! The entire series is full of space magic. People who use that as complaint have no idea what they are talking about. Ignoring the obvious, universe making things like element zero and the mass effect, we also get pure space magic stuff like the Conduit the Cypher and the Thorian from ME1 on. Though the Vaults are next level space magic
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Post by griffith82 on Aug 3, 2017 15:43:09 GMT
what?! No one made the "Space Magic" comment? BSN, you're slacking! The entire series is full of space magic. People who use that as complaint have no idea what they are talking about. Ignoring the obvious, universe making things like element zero and the mass effect, we also get pure space magic stuff like the Conduit and the Thorian from ME1 on. Though the Vaults are next level space magic But oh so cool!😎
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Post by LogicGunn on Aug 3, 2017 16:08:31 GMT
so therefore Cora never was second in line to be Pathfinder in spite of her belief, otherwise she would have had the special implant too. Unless she could be pathfinder but just like the others, with SAM not taking control over her physiology. If Twin Ryder had still been in a coma, a possibility, what would the Archon have done? And was Alec planning on a SAM dynasty , "his own private andromeda overlord" ? All of the pathfinder team had SAM implants, and Alec is the only pathfinder whose implant is modified. I don't think it was his intention for one of the twins to be the next in line, I honestly think Cora was the true second, but because her life was in danger he transferred pathfinder status to Ryder to save her. I *think* the twins had modified implants because SAM is designed by Alec in part to find a cure for his wife/their mother as well as pathfind, and they might have needed to be part of that? Maybe some kind of family connection, esp if Ellen has an implant too.
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Post by Sanunes on Aug 3, 2017 23:31:02 GMT
I could be remembering wrong, but I think the difference for Ryder and the Human SAM is that Alec modified SAM to be able to have more control (basically an excuse for Profiles). As far as the Remnant tech goes, I am not sure if it is just having the implant itself that allows control or just makes it easier/safer. I always took the conversations to be that the Human SAM was modified and was able to access the implants connected at a stronger level and not that the implants themselves were different. For in the end game Ryder is able to control Remnant doors when cut off from SAM when the Archon takes their twin.
Now it could be just how I am remembering it, but I am pretty sure that Alec says he made changes to SAM which allows SAM to have a greater control of the implant and what benefits it has. So if Cora became the Human Pathfinder she might have gotten the same bonuses as well.
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Post by The Biotic Trebuchet on Aug 4, 2017 20:04:49 GMT
Space M a g i cTMi don't even know how the archon hijacked the ark, I LEFT PARKED THE DAMN THING IN THE NEXUS, WHERE'S APEX?, The escort fighters?!, what the shit?! did they come on tea time?
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Post by Iakus on Aug 4, 2017 22:37:21 GMT
what?! No one made the "Space Magic" comment? BSN, you're slacking! Happy?
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Post by Guts on Aug 4, 2017 23:58:11 GMT
so therefore Cora never was second in line to be Pathfinder in spite of her belief, otherwise she would have had the special implant too. Unless she could be pathfinder but just like the others, with SAM not taking control over her physiology. If Twin Ryder had still been in a coma, a possibility, what would the Archon have done? And was Alec planning on a SAM dynasty , "his own private andromeda overlord" ? Somehow I get the feeling Alex Ryder would've really liked the synthesis ending.
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Post by bshep on Aug 5, 2017 0:49:54 GMT
I could be remembering wrong, but I think the difference for Ryder and the Human SAM is that Alec modified SAM to be able to have more control (basically an excuse for Profiles). As far as the Remnant tech goes, I am not sure if it is just having the implant itself that allows control or just makes it easier/safer. I always took the conversations to be that the Human SAM was modified and was able to access the implants connected at a stronger level and not that the implants themselves were different. For in the end game Ryder is able to control Remnant doors when cut off from SAM when the Archon takes their twin.
Now it could be just how I am remembering it, but I am pretty sure that Alec says he made changes to SAM which allows SAM to have a greater control of the implant and what benefits it has. So if Cora became the Human Pathfinder she might have gotten the same bonuses as well.
SAM made the connection safer but using remnant tech was pretty much a muscle memory after Ryder learned how to do it. There is even a file after the main quest talking about it, how SAM allowed for the use of rem-tech without the bleeding. Also SAM loses its ability to control the Pathfinder's life sign after the twin make a "factory reset" on the chip to save the other. And yes the changes are on the Human Ark's SAM. If Cora had inherited it she would have gained the same skills.
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Post by Iakus on Aug 5, 2017 1:00:41 GMT
so therefore Cora never was second in line to be Pathfinder in spite of her belief, otherwise she would have had the special implant too. Unless she could be pathfinder but just like the others, with SAM not taking control over her physiology. If Twin Ryder had still been in a coma, a possibility, what would the Archon have done? And was Alec planning on a SAM dynasty , "his own private andromeda overlord" ? Somehow I get the feeling Alex Ryder would've really liked the synthesis ending. Well, the Creative Director is Mac Walters...
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Post by xassantex on Aug 5, 2017 1:20:26 GMT
so therefore Cora never was second in line to be Pathfinder in spite of her belief, otherwise she would have had the special implant too. Unless she could be pathfinder but just like the others, with SAM not taking control over her physiology. If Twin Ryder had still been in a coma, a possibility, what would the Archon have done? And was Alec planning on a SAM dynasty , "his own private andromeda overlord" ? Somehow I get the feeling Alex Ryder would've really liked the synthesis ending. haha, yeah, i think he was already living the dream .
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