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Post by Sharable Horizon on Aug 4, 2017 11:26:34 GMT
Too bad there isn't a third choice. Have Ryder keep it and use it to help humanity. Forget the krogan and Nexus. humanity #1 I'm suprised that you're not advocating grafting it onto a Fiend to create some sort of nightmarish Mecha-Fiend abomination!
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Post by themikefest on Aug 4, 2017 11:33:51 GMT
I'm suprised that you're not advocating grafting it onto a Fiend to create some sort of nightmarish Mecha-Fiend abomination! Maybe later. My goal, at least my Ryder's goal, is to find a home for my fellow humans.
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Post by linksocarina on Aug 4, 2017 11:34:25 GMT
Seemed clear cut to me on what to do, in a good playthrough at least.
Now, the other choice with Morda however is more interesting...
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Post by phnx on Aug 4, 2017 11:41:06 GMT
Both choices are stupid because most Krogans are idiots, and so are most humans, oh well...
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Post by kino on Aug 4, 2017 14:06:39 GMT
I've done both decisions, but my preferred choice is to give Morda the drive core. I would much rather have a Krogan alliance and an outpost on Elaaden.
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Post by linksocarina on Aug 4, 2017 14:15:23 GMT
I've done both decisions, but my preferred choice is to give Morda the drive core. I would much rather have a Krogan alliance and an outpost on Elaaden. At least a Krogan alliance can yield more productivity in the long run.
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Post by kino on Aug 4, 2017 14:41:18 GMT
I've done both decisions, but my preferred choice is to give Morda the drive core. I would much rather have a Krogan alliance and an outpost on Elaaden. At least a Krogan alliance can yield more productivity in the long run. And Elaaden is a rich mineral resource...plus not having Krogan potentially shooting at you is a plus, too.
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Post by jaegerbane on Aug 4, 2017 15:19:30 GMT
I didn't set any particular timeframe, I simply stated that a Kett attack on the Nexus was rather expected at this point. Something like this should have prompted the AI to duct-tape every defensive and offensive tool they had onto the Nexus (hell, use those turrets from outside the colonies, just put them on the hull of the Nexus), in a desperate attempt to prevent everyone waiting in Cryo from getting wiped out in one attack. Since we still can't move them to the colonies (certainly not into the Krogan colony...).
Taking the power core of a ship and using in in a similar capacity to what it was intended doesn't see like a farfetched idea to me, it doesn't have to be sleek and pretty, it just has to provide more protection.
You keep saying 'lets just use it for defence' but you're not actually saying how, and in a question where keeping it brings with it very real, quantifiable consequences, it isn't good enough to just pretend it's a giant win gun. Not if you're arguing that it's the rational choice. That's actually irrational. Simply having a power source does not inherently make anything more defensible, particularly not when it doesn't appear to have any issue powering what it already has. The fact 'no one mentioned this' is not intended to be 'proof' of anything, it's meant to point out that this is an argument that you're making and therefore you can't expect anyone to take it seriously unless you explain it. I don't doubt that Morda is politically strengthened by getting the core, but that result is a side effect - she initially formulated the plan to acquire it while in power, so regardless of how she comes out looking if you give it back to her, at some point she still identified a need for it. She was already in undisputed charge of the colony to begin with. That's the whole reason Strux had to carry out all that skullduggery in the first place, she was too strong to directly challenge. None of this affects the basic reality that you need power to run the hundreds of systems the colony needs to function. As for whether the Krogan 'look' like they need it or whether they're lying etc - tbh that's neither here nor there. It's a known fact that the colony requires lots of power, will require more as it expands, and any power solution that needs to be located outside in open areas will be that much more harder to defend and prone to failure, regardless of how capable the Krogan are. Suggesting that it's essentially a 'luxury' when you can't even explain precisely why it would be so beneficial to the Nexus' defence doesn't make sense. And again, the need for the core doesn't stem from the colony's needs right now. It stems from what it will need to expand. I'm assuming you're not going to argue that the colony will always require the same amount of power regardless of how big it is, right? As for blaming Morda for the weaponisation of a core that never even happened and was planned by someone else... that's absurd. Certainly not rational.
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Post by themikefest on Aug 4, 2017 15:35:00 GMT
Give the core to the Nexus. It can help provide any necessary defenses, if that's the intention, for the Nexus. That would take priority over some krogan who have already established a colony. They'll get over it. Plus more lives on the Nexus to worry about. And since the Kett know the location of the Nexus, it might help protect the Nexus from any attacks. I wouldn't bet on it, but its better than what they have.
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Post by KaiserShep on Aug 4, 2017 16:02:55 GMT
Sending more resources to the Nexus is important, but anything that may expedite the growth of settlements and creating some kind of infrastructure would be paramount, in my opinion. Love or hate the krogan, they are key allies to have and the Initiative is weaker without them.
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Post by jaegerbane on Aug 4, 2017 19:20:10 GMT
You keep saying 'lets just use it for defence' but you're not actually saying how, and in a question where keeping it brings with it very real, quantifiable consequences, it isn't good enough to just pretend it's a giant win gun. Not if you're arguing that it's the rational choice. That's actually irrational. Simply having a power source does not inherently make anything more defensible, particularly not when it doesn't appear to have any issue powering what it already has. ... I don't see what's so difficult to understand here. A massive power core can potentially be used in many ways, if it is to strengthen shields, power weapons, or even use it as single-use bomb/torpedo against the enemy if you really can't do anything else with it.
On Virmire a Ship's power core was rigged to blow. That was a standard power core of a small ship. Something like a remnant power core could potentially wipe out a small fleet if put to intelligent use.
And that's just the crudest way of using it, the way the Krogan intended to use it, with SAM and the Nexus scientists working on it, I see no reason why it couldn't be used to an even greater effect (such as shielding).
The part that's difficult to understand isn't so much what a power core could possibly be put to use for (although I have already gone over the various options), its why any of those options are so incredibly valuable that it's worth breaking off relations with the krogan and ruining any chance of an outpost on a mineralogical treasure trove for. There's no clear reason why this would be so much more powerful than the extra output of three Arks are providing. You could make a bomb about of it, sure, but that's a ludicrous waste. If the Kett could realistically be taken down to any significant degree by a single explosion then they're clearly weren't that big a threat in the first place. Hell, using your own logic about protecting the Ark makes no sense as the Archon is obsessed with tracking down any Remnant hardware he can, so why is it a good idea to take this thing to the very place you don't want him to find? You keep trying to present the choice as rational but every time you're challenged to explain the advantage, it's just 'well they could maybe do something with the shields or something, Morda is such a bitch anyway'. That's not rational. There are very specific, quantifiable advantages in keeping the Krogan onside and getting access to Elaaden's raw mats which will undoubtedly improve the defence of the Nexus given time, but you're saying there is no time... but they presumably have time to poke the core until it does something cool? I suspect we're not going to convince each other and we're starting to repeat the same points over and over, so we'll agree to disgaree. But good debate anyway
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Post by AnDromedary on Aug 4, 2017 21:41:34 GMT
It's been a while since I played this particular quest but in my memory, this was less about actual logic and more of a diplomatic power play. The Krogan were doing fine even without the core. They wanted to assert their claim on Elaaden by demanding something in return for "the permission" for the AI to establish an outpost there. It was a matter of throwing the krogan a bone or not. You give them the core, you make a statement that you respect them and trust them. You don't, you make the opposite statement, that to me was the crux of the matter more than any material concern.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2017 23:35:20 GMT
Hell, using your own logic about protecting the Ark makes no sense as the Archon is obsessed with tracking down any Remnant hardware he can, so why is it a good idea to take this thing to the very place you don't want him to find? This. AFAIK, the Nexus' primary defense is that its location is unknown to potential enemies. If the Archon has some way of detecting/tracking remnant technology, you certainly wouldn't want any of that magnitude anywhere near the Nexus. (If Peebee can locate rem tech via some sort of sensor devices...). Given the friendly relationships with the krogan that this decision engenders, I figured Peebs, Suvi, and other scientists could study the thing in actual operation, too. There's much less risk firing it up on Elaaden than the risk you'd be taking trying to fire it up on the Nexus.
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Post by griffith82 on Aug 5, 2017 0:00:19 GMT
I've done both decisions, but my preferred choice is to give Morda the drive core. I would much rather have a Krogan alliance and an outpost on Elaaden. Yeah you can't have an outpost otherwise right? How does that affect the rest of the game?
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Post by KaiserShep on Aug 5, 2017 0:02:23 GMT
I've done both decisions, but my preferred choice is to give Morda the drive core. I would much rather have a Krogan alliance and an outpost on Elaaden. Yeah you can't have an outpost otherwise right? How does that affect the rest of the game? Pretty sure the only thing really affected is the viability bonus in the epilogue.
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Post by griffith82 on Aug 5, 2017 0:04:45 GMT
Yeah you can't have an outpost otherwise right? How does that affect the rest of the game? Pretty sure the only thing really affected is the viability bonus in the epilogue. Hmm I might do it then just to see the difference.
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Post by kino on Aug 5, 2017 0:22:34 GMT
Pretty sure the only thing really affected is the viability bonus in the epilogue. Hmm I might do it then just to see the difference. What Kaiser said. Plus some different dialog with Drak.
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Post by griffith82 on Aug 5, 2017 0:26:46 GMT
Hmm I might do it then just to see the difference. What Kaiser said. Plus some different dialog with Drak. Ooo a pissed off Krogan?
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Post by melbella on Aug 5, 2017 0:46:42 GMT
The kett still attack the Nexus and steal the Hyperion anyway, right? So, it's not like keeping it would really help all that much.
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Post by themikefest on Aug 5, 2017 1:34:03 GMT
The kett still attack the Nexus and steal the Hyperion anyway, right? So, it's not like keeping it would really help all that much. True. But after Ryder stops Archie from getting Meridian, the Initiative should, or I would believe they would, know that the Kett could attack the Nexus at anytime. The reason why Archie didn't was because he was obsessed with finding Meridian. The drive core could, if it has the capability, be converted to providing shields for the Nexus or something that could be used to protect the Nexus. Don't know. If the drive core is such a big deal for the krogan, have Ryder tell the robots to build them something that will do what they need it to do.
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Post by kino on Aug 5, 2017 2:06:11 GMT
What Kaiser said. Plus some different dialog with Drak. Ooo a pissed off Krogan? More disappointed than pissed. I couldn't see pissed off leading anywhere good.
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Post by griffith82 on Aug 5, 2017 2:41:47 GMT
More disappointed than pissed. I couldn't see pissed off leading anywhere good. Yeah likely a Krogan sized hole in the Tempest.
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Post by kino on Aug 5, 2017 2:53:10 GMT
More disappointed than pissed. I couldn't see pissed off leading anywhere good. Yeah likely a Krogan sized hole in the Tempest. I was thinking more human sized hole where the Krogan threw him through it...while still in deep space. Ryder and his/her pajamas...outfit...whatever, wouldn't fare too well.
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Post by griffith82 on Aug 5, 2017 3:06:40 GMT
Yeah likely a Krogan sized hole in the Tempest. I was thinking more human sized hole where the Krogan threw him through it...while still in deep space. Ryder and his/her pajamas...outfit...whatever, wouldn't fare too well. Lol yeah not likely. Probably need a jacket.😋
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Post by Obadiah on Aug 5, 2017 3:19:19 GMT
I gave the Drive Core to Morda to help the Krogan colony expand. Turned out she wasn't planning to create a bomb, Jorgal was just mischaracterizing her expansionist bombast to get the Initiative to attack her.
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