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Post by VanSinn on Aug 5, 2017 3:46:17 GMT
The key point in the give it to the Krogan/keep it for the nexus "debate," to me at least, is that without the materials to build the extra defenses people are claiming the reactor could power, they couldn't even BUILD said defenses for the power to be used. The current systems were designed for specific power requirements. Any shielding already present wouldn't benefit from more power.
Think of any electrical system, then increase the voltage/wattage by an obscene amount. The system fries itself, because it wasn't designed to handle that kind of electrical load. There's still a serious lack of materials even to build the mundane things the AI needs to build (as the leadership mentioned), and that tells me there just isn't anything available to go full militarization.
Use the turrets outside the outposts? What will the outposts use to defend themselves from any determined kett attack? Pull those guns out, and the colonies will be wiped out in short order. Without those outposts, we're back to the situation that was present before we founded them: the AI starving, and ultimately the loss of the entire Initiative.
Now, i didn't mull all this over when I made my decision. The power core would do more good in a colony, to power expansion. And since Eladaan is where the core was located to begin with, and powering the Krogan colony would benefit the AI colonists who settled along with them, yeah, I give it to the Krogan. Trying to bootstrap the power core onto systems that weren't designed for it is nonsensical, and with the overall derth of supplies, going full military just wasn't an option, not with basic survival needs still being unmet.
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Post by KaiserShep on Aug 5, 2017 4:34:36 GMT
I imagine if anything went wrong with the core, better it happen on the surface of a planet than a half-built space station.
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Post by obatalaryder on Aug 5, 2017 4:52:39 GMT
Having to fight the Kett Empire and a clan of Krogans doesn't sound ideal.
Morda is justified in her "bitchiness". Her people were doublecrossed by the council species for the umpteenth time.
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Post by kelarqshah on Aug 5, 2017 10:37:39 GMT
Also in terms of a weapon, I don't think the drive core would be all that useful unless it was planted aboard a Kett vessel.
I think in the trilogy they make the point in the codex that fighting the Reapers with nukes is actually less effective than a mass accelerator cannon. The size of the nuke explosion relies upon an atmosphere through which to send a shockwave. A mass accelerator cannon hits one spot with the force of several nuclear warheads. A bomb going off next to a ship would dissipate most of its energy on a target's kinetic barriers and through space.
At the end of the day, we can only make the choice that is presented to us. Fault the writing all you want, but Bioware presented us with the choice of "Do you trust Morda and the Krogan with the drive core?" rather than "Where would the drive core be needed most?"
It's a safe assumption that if no one, not your companions, not SAM, not Addison or Tann rues the loss of the drive core, they probably didn't need it in the first place. And you know if they did, Tann would be all over your ass about it
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Post by jaegerbane on Aug 5, 2017 11:14:36 GMT
It's been a while since I played this particular quest but in my memory, this was less about actual logic and more of a diplomatic power play. The Krogan were doing fine even without the core. They wanted to assert their claim on Elaaden by demanding something in return for "the permission" for the AI to establish an outpost there. It was a matter of throwing the krogan a bone or not. You give them the core, you make a statement that you respect them and trust them. You don't, you make the opposite statement, that to me was the crux of the matter more than any material concern. The majority of the stuff I mentioned above was me following the logic of the options either way, but you're right - this was ultimately a negotiation and she requested a macguffin in exchange for a significant boon. Even SAM, the super-intelligent AI and probably the single most knowledgable expert on the Remnant the AI has, seemed to be more concerned about the Krogan repeating the mistakes of the past then any lost opportunities down to the Krogan getting the core. I will say that this has come up a dozen times already - perhaps I misread the argument, but the need for the power core appeared to be based on speeding up the expansion of the colony. The fact the Krogan were doing fine in their current state is irrelevant to the choice. If Drack is there then he makes a good point that Morda can't expect it for free, now that the Pathfinder team have recovered it, and the speed she makes her counteroffer imply that she intended to keep that as her bargaining chip until needed. Ultimately though, this is the reason for Pathfinders. Not every problem can be solved via knee-jerk reactions and laser beams. They're partially diplomats.
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Post by jaegerbane on Aug 5, 2017 11:21:39 GMT
The kett still attack the Nexus and steal the Hyperion anyway, right? So, it's not like keeping it would really help all that much. It's a safe assumption that if no one, not your companions, not SAM, not Addison or Tann rues the loss of the drive core, they probably didn't need it in the first place. And you know if they did, Tann would be all over your ass about it I deliberately didn't include any points that relied on hindsight when I was debating with LaughingMan, despite they back up what I'm saying - as they're metagaming. I mean, sure, the actual payoff for keeping the core is pathetic - no-one on the Nexus seems to care, and while it's a lot of research points it's not really that big a deal unless you're trying to max out the Remnant research tree. And ultimately when the Kett attack, it wouldn't have done anything even if it had rigged to blow as that wouldn't have mattered to the way the Kett attack (i.e. it would have needed to be planted on one ship). But Ryder didn't know any of this beforehand. The fact that there isn't a clear use case for it on the Nexus is about all that would be weighing on Ryder's mind if this issue even come up.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2017 17:31:53 GMT
Also in terms of a weapon, I don't think the drive core would be all that useful unless it was planted aboard a Kett vessel. I think in the trilogy they make the point in the codex that fighting the Reapers with nukes is actually less effective than a mass accelerator cannon. The size of the nuke explosion relies upon an atmosphere through which to send a shockwave. A mass accelerator cannon hits one spot with the force of several nuclear warheads. A bomb going off next to a ship would dissipate most of its energy on a target's kinetic barriers and through space. At the end of the day, we can only make the choice that is presented to us. Fault the writing all you want, but Bioware presented us with the choice of "Do you trust Morda and the Krogan with the drive core?" rather than "Where would the drive core be needed most?" It's a safe assumption that if no one, not your companions, not SAM, not Addison or Tann rues the loss of the drive core, they probably didn't need it in the first place. And you know if they did, Tann would be all over your ass about it In addition to all of that, we don't even know whether the thing could be made into a weapon of any sort. If we were supposed to consider that in making the decision, I think SAM might have mentioned it as an option. Strux's story notwithstanding, the salarian drive core that was converted to a bomb on Virmire was entirely different technology.
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Post by dmc1001 on Aug 5, 2017 17:34:31 GMT
I like the results better giving the drive to Morda. It begins the process of fixing everything Tann & Co fucked up in Nexus Uprising.
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