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Post by Guts on Aug 12, 2017 6:15:29 GMT
No. Casey Hudson or one of the leads (Gamble, Walters) will likely hold a speech to the ME nation on N7 day. We might not like what we hear, but I'm sure they won't let the 10th anniversary pass without any comment on the future. BTW: even though the silence sucks, we are not even 5 months after release. Should we have a countdown or something to N7 day? (I should wear my N7 shirt to college that day)
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Post by dmc1001 on Aug 12, 2017 6:43:59 GMT
They seem to be disinterested in even saying whether there is anything to tell. I don't trust them so I'm saying "yes" that we'll still be in that stage. The one and only reason I can think of regarding staying silent (well, aside from there being nothing to tell) is that they still feel that not enough was done right, they want to fix it, and just don't know when they can deliver on dlc. Any other reason is just bullshit.
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Post by Revan Reborn on Aug 12, 2017 7:07:52 GMT
They seem to be disinterested in even saying whether there is anything to tell. I don't trust them so I'm saying "yes" that we'll still be in that stage. The one and only reason I can think of regarding staying silent (well, aside from there being nothing to tell) is that they still feel that not enough was done right, they want to fix it, and just don't know when they can deliver on dlc. Any other reason is just bullshit. It's abundantly clear part of the reason BioWare won't talk is because of MEA MP. That, regardless of the situation, is still being supported. If BioWare were to come out and say "no single player DLC for MEA," that would significantly kill the revenue being generated by MEA MP. While it might be bad for us, it's in EA's best interest to not have BioWare say anything about single player DLC. If we are going to be realistic, however, and recognize that BioWare Montreal literally no longer exists, single player DLC has almost a 0% chance of happening at this point.
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Post by dmc1001 on Aug 12, 2017 7:10:25 GMT
They seem to be disinterested in even saying whether there is anything to tell. I don't trust them so I'm saying "yes" that we'll still be in that stage. The one and only reason I can think of regarding staying silent (well, aside from there being nothing to tell) is that they still feel that not enough was done right, they want to fix it, and just don't know when they can deliver on dlc. Any other reason is just bullshit. It's abundantly clear part of the reason BioWare won't talk is because of MEA MP. That, regardless of the situation, is still being supported. If BioWare were to come out and say "no single player DLC for MEA," that would significantly kill the revenue being generated by MEA MP. While it might be bad for us, it's in EA's best interest to not have BioWare say anything about single player DLC. If we are going to be realistic, however, and recognize that BioWare Montreal literally no longer exists, single player DLC has almost a 0% chance of happening at this point. Except that BW Montrel created Omega DLC for ME3 but had no part in the base game or other DLC. Which means BioWare could shift to another studio. In any case, their ideas of pandering to MP only and saying nothing about SP falls under "bullshit" as far as I'm concerned.
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Post by Revan Reborn on Aug 12, 2017 7:38:57 GMT
Except that BW Montrel created Omega DLC for ME3 but had no part in the base game or other DLC. Which means BioWare could shift to another studio. In any case, their ideas of pandering to MP only and saying nothing about SP falls under "bullshit" as far as I'm concerned. That's not actually true. All of BioWare's studios (Montreal and Edmonton) have collaborated on all of BioWare Edmonton's projects since ME3. Either way, BioWare Montreal is no more, which means the only studio Edmonton could default to would be BioWare Austin. Considering their primary focus is the ongoing support of SWTOR, there is really no hope for story DLC. Edmonton doesn't have the time and likely not the will to deal with the mess that was MEA's launch. Considering the only thing BioWare Montreal did promise was the continued support of MEA MP (they outlined how much content it would receive before the game even launched), that will continue as its integral to the microtransactions, which EA loves and stands by. Story DLC isn't nearly as profitable, and EA (as well as BioWare) really have no reason to provide it after the lackluster performance MEA showed. This is coming from someone that wants MEA story DLC, by the way. I'm just recognizing the writing on the wall. It's not good.
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Post by qwib on Aug 12, 2017 9:06:13 GMT
What are you guys voting for. Yes or No what? I think my brain isn't awake yet, I really don't get what the Question is. lmao
[Edit:] My brain woke up. LoL that was a bummer.
Hrm. I doubt that on Christmas Eve there still will be a if we can we will talk about it stage, but I also don't know how long. And since I'm busy with two games, I'm really not that curious at the moment.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2017 9:12:38 GMT
I'm sure we will find out one way or the other. If by the end of the year they don't bother to clarify their position on the issue then you have your answer. Hiding lack of SP DLC support just to squeeze a couple of bucks more from MP though would speak volumes about their business ethics. I would be disappointed. Hope to be wrong.
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Post by sjsharp2010 on Aug 12, 2017 11:16:13 GMT
Except that BW Montrel created Omega DLC for ME3 but had no part in the base game or other DLC. Which means BioWare could shift to another studio. In any case, their ideas of pandering to MP only and saying nothing about SP falls under "bullshit" as far as I'm concerned. That's not actually true. All of BioWare's studios (Montreal and Edmonton) have collaborated on all of BioWare Edmonton's projects since ME3. Either way, BioWare Montreal is no more, which means the only studio Edmonton could default to would be BioWare Austin. Considering their primary focus is the ongoing support of SWTOR, there is really no hope for story DLC. Edmonton doesn't have the time and likely not the will to deal with the mess that was MEA's launch. Considering the only thing BioWare Montreal did promise was the continued support of MEA MP (they outlined how much content it would receive before the game even launched), that will continue as its integral to the microtransactions, which EA loves and stands by. Story DLC isn't nearly as profitable, and EA (as well as BioWare) really have no reason to provide it after the lackluster performance MEA showed. This is coming from someone that wants MEA story DLC, by the way. I'm just recognizing the writing on the wall. It's not good.Yeah for me the big clue was Montreal being shut down. I'm not completely giving up as I want DLC too but as each week passes I feel it's less and less likely to happen. I'm pretty much almost to the point where I'm pretty much ready to move on. I'll still play MEA as I still find the gameplay a lot of fun I just won't be looking out for DLC's or playing it as much I don't think.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2017 13:06:07 GMT
If they are saying nothing because they have nothing to say and are just looking to still sell the game and get MP money, well they got MP money from ME3MP for quite a while after. I remember 1-2 years later people were still discovering it and it was going very strong. I know that people still played it up until MEA release and even then people might still be playing it. But ME3MP was great. This one doesn't have that kind of following in part I believe because MEA didn't have much of a following while ME3 despite the endings did have a pretty solid fan base maybe in part because it was the final of the trilogy and that drew even more people to it. Also, if they continue support for MP, there are plenty of MP players who would happily still play and not give a damn about SP or won't care if there is no SP.
So if it is all about MP then fine, be honest. And yes it will piss off SP fans and BW might lose them but what do they care? They've made it abundantly clear they give no fucks about the SP base at this point. Feels like we are just being strung along much as I would rather not admit it. Maybe they will surprise and have a DLC or a few DLC. That could happen. It's not impossible, but it sure feel improbable.
Ultimately, if they have said nothing knowing there is not DLC and no plans despite having a whole cutscene that specifically implied DLC at the end of the game, then they are really not the kind of company that I feel deserves my money or anyone's money. That's a shitty way to treat consumers, to let them think something and not confirm or deny it due to whatever reasons, while knowing it's the truth and if you tell them it might make them mad at first but at least you were honest with them.
Also, it's worth noting that Fernando Melo is the only one that has said 'when we can we will' talk about it and he is MP not SP as best as I know. Thus, we have never had (to my knowledge) anyone from SP say anything that implied there was more to come or that there would be something to tell at any point. Also worth noting is that he did a little pivot off that to a statement that everything comes to an end or something along those lines recently.
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Post by griffith82 on Aug 12, 2017 14:56:57 GMT
That's not actually true. All of BioWare's studios (Montreal and Edmonton) have collaborated on all of BioWare Edmonton's projects since ME3. Either way, BioWare Montreal is no more, which means the only studio Edmonton could default to would be BioWare Austin. Considering their primary focus is the ongoing support of SWTOR, there is really no hope for story DLC. Edmonton doesn't have the time and likely not the will to deal with the mess that was MEA's launch. Considering the only thing BioWare Montreal did promise was the continued support of MEA MP (they outlined how much content it would receive before the game even launched), that will continue as its integral to the microtransactions, which EA loves and stands by. Story DLC isn't nearly as profitable, and EA (as well as BioWare) really have no reason to provide it after the lackluster performance MEA showed. This is coming from someone that wants MEA story DLC, by the way. I'm just recognizing the writing on the wall. It's not good.Yeah for me the big clue was Montreal being shut down. I'm not completely giving up as I want DLC too but as each week passes I feel it's less and less likely to happen. I'm pretty much almost to the point where I'm pretty much ready to move on. I'll still play MEA as I still find the gameplay a lot of fun I just won't be looking out for DLC's or playing it as much I don't think. I'm still hoping but yeah it's not looking like it will happen.
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Post by sjsharp2010 on Aug 12, 2017 15:31:49 GMT
Yeah for me the big clue was Montreal being shut down. I'm not completely giving up as I want DLC too but as each week passes I feel it's less and less likely to happen. I'm pretty much almost to the point where I'm pretty much ready to move on. I'll still play MEA as I still find the gameplay a lot of fun I just won't be looking out for DLC's or playing it as much I don't think. I'm still hoping but yeah it's not looking like it will happen. Indeed I'm starting to think they're doing the when we can we will mostly to get as much cash as they can out of MP as they can because they know that eventually people will cotton on and give up. In fact I think some already are. They just want to stretch it out as much as possible before that happens though. I think had MEA been better received then yes DLC would have been on the cards we might even would have had the first one announced by now although I can't say for suer but it is what it is. I'll stil get DLC if and when it drops but my hopes are certainly dwindling now. Especially after the Montreal hit.
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Post by griffith82 on Aug 12, 2017 15:37:11 GMT
I'm still hoping but yeah it's not looking like it will happen. Indeed I'm starting to think they're doing the when we can we will mostly to get as much cash as they can out of MP as they can because they know that eventually people will cotton on and give up. In fact I think some already are. They just want to stretch it out as much as possible before that happens though. I think had MEA been better received then yes DLC would have been on the cards we might even would have had the first one announced by now although I can't say for suer but it is what it is. I'll stil get DLC if and when it drops but my hopes are certainly dwindling now. Especially after the Montreal hit. Same. However that doesn't mean I won't continue to play. After I finish this run I'll give it a rest, but just like the rest of the ME games I'll always play again.
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Post by sjsharp2010 on Aug 12, 2017 16:05:10 GMT
Indeed I'm starting to think they're doing the when we can we will mostly to get as much cash as they can out of MP as they can because they know that eventually people will cotton on and give up. In fact I think some already are. They just want to stretch it out as much as possible before that happens though. I think had MEA been better received then yes DLC would have been on the cards we might even would have had the first one announced by now although I can't say for suer but it is what it is. I'll stil get DLC if and when it drops but my hopes are certainly dwindling now. Especially after the Montreal hit. Same. However that doesn't mean I won't continue to play. After I finish this run I'll give it a rest, but just like the rest of the ME games I'll always play again. yeah I'll still keep playing MEA as well as I have done with the trilogy. I've got 2 Ryder's planned one an Explorer Scott and an Adept Sara. So yes once I'm finished with my current trilogy run with my Adept Shepard I'm going to give myself a break as well. I was originally going to do the Explorer Scott but given the fact that F1 2017 is waiting in the wings and is out in less than 2 weeks I've decided to postpone that playthrough so I can get some practice in on some of my other F1 games before it drops because the MEA playthrough would just take me too long. Especially as MEA takes me 2 weeks in itself for me to get through a full playthrough and I still haven't got to ME3 yet although I'm not far off as I'm kind of just doing the last of the loyalty missions and then I can do the finale. But I have done all of ME2's DLC's at least in my playthrough so don't have to worry about them any more in my current run. But yeah I find MEA simply too much fun to be completely ignored even if I don't touch multiplayer. Especially given how much fun I have playing with biotic powers. But then that goes for both the trilogy and MEA.
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Post by majesticjazz on Aug 12, 2017 16:18:26 GMT
Except that BW Montrel created Omega DLC for ME3 but had no part in the base game or other DLC. Which means BioWare could shift to another studio. In any case, their ideas of pandering to MP only and saying nothing about SP falls under "bullshit" as far as I'm concerned. That's not actually true. All of BioWare's studios (Montreal and Edmonton) have collaborated on all of BioWare Edmonton's projects since ME3. Either way, BioWare Montreal is no more, which means the only studio Edmonton could default to would be BioWare Austin. Considering their primary focus is the ongoing support of SWTOR, there is really no hope for story DLC. Edmonton doesn't have the time and likely not the will to deal with the mess that was MEA's launch. Considering the only thing BioWare Montreal did promise was the continued support of MEA MP (they outlined how much content it would receive before the game even launched), that will continue as its integral to the microtransactions, which EA loves and stands by. Story DLC isn't nearly as profitable, and EA (as well as BioWare) really have no reason to provide it after the lackluster performance MEA showed. This is coming from someone that wants MEA story DLC, by the way. I'm just recognizing the writing on the wall. It's not good. The writing has been on the wall for some time now. People just choose to ignore it by taking some noble stance against Jason S./Kotaku. The funny thing is, it is becoming more clear now that Jason S. Was right and will eventually be vindicated.
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Post by jamiecotc on Aug 12, 2017 16:21:47 GMT
I have no doubt we will hear something before then. Right now the delay is either due to SP DLC is on the way and they can't talk about it (NDAs) or they're too busy trying to think of a way to positively spin no SP DLC.
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Post by rolenka on Aug 12, 2017 17:23:13 GMT
I think it means they aren't allowed to admit they will never have anything to talk about.
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Post by decafhigh on Aug 12, 2017 17:33:22 GMT
Assuming DLC isn't released before then I would imagine BW will just not be saying anything about it all by the end of the year. The forum however will still be in "they'll talk about it when they can" mode.
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Post by Revan Reborn on Aug 12, 2017 18:12:38 GMT
Also, it's worth noting that Fernando Melo is the only one that has said 'when we can we will' talk about it and he is MP not SP as best as I know. Thus, we have never had (to my knowledge) anyone from SP say anything that implied there was more to come or that there would be something to tell at any point. Also worth noting is that he did a little pivot off that to a statement that everything comes to an end or something along those lines recently. A slight correction here. While Melo is a "Senior Online Producer" on MEA, he also oversees all "game post ship incl team, patches and content" ca.linkedin.com/in/fernmeloThis heavily suggests that he would have oversight on all "post ship . . . content," which would mean he would know if story DLC is in the works or not. The writing has been on the wall for some time now. People just choose to ignore it by taking some noble stance against Jason S./Kotaku. The funny thing is, it is becoming more clear now that Jason S. Was right and will eventually be vindicated. I'm not the biggest fan of Kotaku, but its reports on rumors tend to always be accurate. Kotaku has had a long history of getting real leaks on games, from Assassin's Creed: Syndicate to Fallout 4. The fact that EA only recently acknowledged BioWare Montreal's merger with EA Motive Studios, is in line with what Kotaku stated months ago. Assuming DLC isn't released before then I would imagine BW will just not be saying anything about it all by the end of the year. The forum however will still be in "they'll talk about it when they can" mode. Folks are in denial, and rightly so as story DLC has not been cancelled for a BioWare game since DA2. Instead of setting myself up for disappointment, I'm just not expecting any story DLC at this point. If it comes, fantastic. If it doesn't, then I won't be surprised.
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Post by Andrew Waples on Aug 12, 2017 18:27:53 GMT
Also, it's worth noting that Fernando Melo is the only one that has said 'when we can we will' talk about it and he is MP not SP as best as I know. Thus, we have never had (to my knowledge) anyone from SP say anything that implied there was more to come or that there would be something to tell at any point. Also worth noting is that he did a little pivot off that to a statement that everything comes to an end or something along those lines recently. A slight correction here. While Melo is a "Senior Online Producer" on MEA, he also oversees all "game post ship incl team, patches and content" ca.linkedin.com/in/fernmeloThis heavily suggests that he would have oversight on all "post ship . . . content," which would mean he would know if story DLC is in the works or not. The writing has been on the wall for some time now. People just choose to ignore it by taking some noble stance against Jason S./Kotaku. The funny thing is, it is becoming more clear now that Jason S. Was right and will eventually be vindicated. I'm not the biggest fan of Kotaku, but its reports on rumors tend to always be accurate. Kotaku has had a long history of getting real leaks on games, from Assassin's Creed: Syndicate to Fallout 4. The fact that EA only recently acknowledged BioWare Montreal's merger with EA Motive Studios, is in line with what Kotaku stated months ago. Assuming DLC isn't released before then I would imagine BW will just not be saying anything about it all by the end of the year. The forum however will still be in "they'll talk about it when they can" mode. Folks are in denial, and rightly so as story DLC has not been cancelled for a BioWare game since DA2. Instead of setting myself up for disappointment, I'm just not expecting any story DLC at this point. If it comes, fantastic. If it doesn't, then I won't be surprised. I wouldn't say "denial", but BioWare has to address these rumors at some point. Each time it came up its "we can't talk about" or "when we can, we will" and even during the hoax they "denied" the report. That's the whole bit for me that I find confusing during all this. Also, DA2 still got dlc and it was a BioWare decision to cancel the Exalted March dlc to focus on what would be DAI.
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Post by alanc9 on Aug 12, 2017 18:38:29 GMT
Still, this is exactly what DLC being cancelled would look like. I don't see much chance that Bio would explicitly talk about this for a few months yet. As mentioned, it's all downside for them while MP is still a thing.
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Post by Revan Reborn on Aug 12, 2017 19:20:10 GMT
I wouldn't say "denial", but BioWare has to address these rumors at some point. Each time it came up its "we can't talk about" or "when we can, we will" and even during the hoax they "denied" the report. That's the whole bit for me that I find confusing during all this. Also, DA2 still got dlc and it was a BioWare decision to cancel the Exalted March dlc to focus on what would be DAI. It's definitely denial. There is no studio left to make this game... DLC isn't made out of thin air. You need manpower and resources, of which no longer exist for Mass Effect Andromeda. No, the Exalted March DLC was cancelled because DA2 was a financial disappointment, much in the same way that MEA is. The only reason the Exalted March DLC was later retrofitted into DAI is because David Gaider demanded it be part of the story. It was honestly a mistake, in my opinion, considering Hawke and Corypheus were the weakest parts of DAI. The similarities between DA2 and MEA are just too much to ignore. The only difference is BioWare Edmonton wasn't shut down after DA2's disappointing showing. That's likely the reason DA2 received any DLC.
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Post by Andrew Waples on Aug 12, 2017 19:46:23 GMT
I wouldn't say "denial", but BioWare has to address these rumors at some point. Each time it came up its "we can't talk about" or "when we can, we will" and even during the hoax they "denied" the report. That's the whole bit for me that I find confusing during all this. Also, DA2 still got dlc and it was a BioWare decision to cancel the Exalted March dlc to focus on what would be DAI. It's definitely denial. There is no studio left to make this game... DLC isn't made out of thin air. You need manpower and resources, of which no longer exist for Mass Effect Andromeda. No, the Exalted March DLC was cancelled because DA2 was a financial disappointment, much in the same way that MEA is. The only reason the Exalted March DLC was later retrofitted into DAI is because David Gaider demanded it be part of the story. It was honestly a mistake, in my opinion, considering Hawke and Corypheus were the weakest parts of DAI. The similarities between DA2 and MEA are just too much to ignore. The only difference is BioWare Edmonton wasn't shut down after DA2's disappointing showing. That's likely the reason DA2 received any DLC. Are you aware that BioWare Austin made The Descent dlc? The Descent is largely the work of SWTOR studio BioWare Austin. I can't find a source, but apparently Austin also worked on Leviathan--I read it on BSN somewhere, but take that bit with a grain of salt. So, why can't Edmonton work on any dlc at all? We know that they work on dlc internally anyways. Naughty Dog can work on two games at once, why can't Edmonton (which I imagine is a much bigger studio then Naughty Dog by comparison)? Especially since we know that the IP is back there anyways.
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Post by thesupremedarkone on Aug 12, 2017 21:07:11 GMT
Bioware never confirmed the Deception rewrite was cancelled so the devs probably won't announce cancellation
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Aug 12, 2017 21:10:03 GMT
It's definitely denial. There is no studio left to make this game... DLC isn't made out of thin air. You need manpower and resources, of which no longer exist for Mass Effect Andromeda. No, the Exalted March DLC was cancelled because DA2 was a financial disappointment, much in the same way that MEA is. The only reason the Exalted March DLC was later retrofitted into DAI is because David Gaider demanded it be part of the story. It was honestly a mistake, in my opinion, considering Hawke and Corypheus were the weakest parts of DAI. The similarities between DA2 and MEA are just too much to ignore. The only difference is BioWare Edmonton wasn't shut down after DA2's disappointing showing. That's likely the reason DA2 received any DLC. Are you aware that BioWare Austin made The Descent dlc? The Descent is largely the work of SWTOR studio BioWare Austin. I can't find a source, but apparently Austin also worked on Leviathan--I read it on BSN somewhere, but take that bit with a grain of salt. So, why can't Edmonton work on any dlc at all? We know that they work on dlc internally anyways. Naughty Dog can work on two games at once, why can't Edmonton (which I imagine is a much bigger studio then Naughty Dog by comparison)? Especially since we know that the IP is back there anyways. Bioware Austin also worked on parts of MEA like Kadara.
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