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Post by seductivewizard on Aug 15, 2017 16:41:48 GMT
The kineticist and gladiator were considered the weakest kits on platinum. However, I had a 30k+ score and beat the scores of three 25k+ AP score grenade spamming Angara avengers ditherin about in a pug lobby with my human kineticist yesterday. It was so funny, the looks on the faces of the Angara Sorority party when i BEAT EM ALL! How did i beat the Angara Avenger Sorority....HOW? Well, I had a rozerad w/barrel/scope (weapon 1) and hurricane w/barrel/scope (weapon 2). Equipped a incendiary ammo 1 for priming and a pistol damage 2. Damn, she looks so sexy with the 2 pistols. So fking cool! SO GUYS, DON'T WRITE OFF ANY KIT! Don't be a TIER WH*RE! Be a CHARACTER LOYALIST. And don't forget to COVER YOUR BRAIN beaches.But seriously, pack a multicapacitor with any kit perceived to be ultra squishy and you're good to go. Kineticist Build bsn.boards.net/thread/12556/solved-human-kineticist-platinum-difficultyi posted a pre-platinum build for the gladiator some time ago (Just replace Adaptive War Amp with MultiCapacitor and you're good to go .You need it to live on platinum and use shield powered nova efficiently. Replace Ruzad with Piranha and carry a rozerad/hurricane for a backup weapon. ) bsn.boards.net/thread/11545/krogan-gladiator-bamf-build
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Post by Sergeant Xerox on Aug 15, 2017 16:49:29 GMT
Fairly certain Platinum Kit viability depends on the player, not the kit.
Obviously, every kit is playable regardless of difficulty when used competently.
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Post by gethadept on Aug 15, 2017 16:52:02 GMT
Nice and also
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Post by inert on Aug 15, 2017 16:55:06 GMT
When I see cloak/stealth grid on Plat, I know I'm playing with players that lack confidence. "Beating" them is not an accomplishment. That said, having played with you, I know you're a good player and I stand by any argument to expand kit variety on all difficulties. I can't stand them cloaking cowards.
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Post by Beerfish on Aug 15, 2017 17:03:06 GMT
Well a lot would have to do with group make up as well. I would assume if the team has zero infils or just one many classes are more viable due to more shared aggro. As others have stated player ability will be a large factor here along with good group co-op.
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Post by seductivewizard on Aug 15, 2017 17:04:12 GMT
When I see cloak/stealth grid on Plat, I know I'm playing with players that lack confidence. "Beating" them is not an accomplishment. That said, having played with you, I know you're a good player and I stand by any argument to expand kit variety on all difficulties. I can't stand them cloaking cowards. A lack of confidence is the general case. But these guys were actually good. They were just "rapid farming" and clearing waves fast. Because, one of them switched and played an excellent Krogaurd on a later game.
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Post by gethadept on Aug 15, 2017 17:36:00 GMT
When I see cloak/stealth grid on Plat, I know I'm playing with players that lack confidence. "Beating" them is not an accomplishment. That said, having played with you, I know you're a good player and I stand by any argument to expand kit variety on all difficulties. I can't stand them cloaking cowards. Come on. Be reasonable. You really think people are using cloak classes in Platinum just because they are scared of using other classes? I would understand more if they were actually scared to waste their time and simply choosing most efficient and easy way to finish a platinum game.
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Post by zan on Aug 15, 2017 18:15:56 GMT
Scoreboard lol?
More to the point, any kit can be played on platinum with decent weapons if you have a good player behind the keyboard. In this case, I'd say that this would be too painful if you either aren't hosting yourself or aren't super lucky to get a superb host.
Also, avengers that rely on grenade spam need to try leaving SG at 1 instead of completely gutting their melee ability. Can have 6 SG capacity with either grenade capacity equip or gold power capacity, and still be able to melee berserker to death before the stun from AS wears off.
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Post by shinobiwan on Aug 15, 2017 18:26:19 GMT
WOOOWWWWW!!!!! YOU OUTSCORING RANDOM DUDES IN A RANDOM GAME IS INCONTROVERTIBLE PROOF THAT ALL KITS ARE GOOD!!!!!!!
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Post by unclemonster on Aug 15, 2017 19:06:14 GMT
Also, avengers that rely on grenade spam need to try leaving SG at 1 instead of completely gutting their melee ability. Can have 6 SG capacity with either grenade capacity equip or gold power capacity, and still be able to melee berserker to death before the stun from AS wears off. Originally had SG at 1...switched AS to 1 b4 it was hipster and never looked back...DAT SPEED! I do need to give AS another go though as my Avenger (XVII) levels up, so does my melee damage.
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Post by mydamnalterego on Aug 15, 2017 19:22:17 GMT
Nice and also This exactly. Or, maybe, Runet (Russian-speaking section of the Net) equivalent of it:
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Post by modusmoriendi on Aug 15, 2017 19:31:15 GMT
Ultra Rare character with two of the best Ultra Rare guns viable on Platinum? Why, thanks Captain Obvious!
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Post by Kenny Bania on Aug 15, 2017 19:46:15 GMT
eDong thread.
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Post by seductivewizard on Aug 15, 2017 20:11:15 GMT
Kenny, tis been a while, where've you been? you mischievous li'l goat, you, Missed ya. P.S Are you just mad/disappointed in this thing called life that you will never be as good as me? bwaahahaha
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Post by seductivewizard on Aug 15, 2017 20:17:23 GMT
Ultra Rare character with two of the best Ultra Rare guns viable on Platinum? Why, thanks Captain Obvious! But, but, but, it was three GREAT Top tier Ultra Rare Angara Avengers, their fierce weapons, their sky high apex scores and all their cloaking greatness! All aggro on squishy li'l me whenever they cloaked away into oblivion. Everything shot at squishy li'l me from every corner of the map when they cloaked. But, still the Angara sorority failed. It ain't gonna be that obvious when YOU give it a shot against the angara sorority Captain Dubious.
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Post by inert on Aug 15, 2017 20:56:33 GMT
When I see cloak/stealth grid on Plat, I know I'm playing with players that lack confidence. "Beating" them is not an accomplishment. That said, having played with you, I know you're a good player and I stand by any argument to expand kit variety on all difficulties. I can't stand them cloaking cowards. Come on. Be reasonable.You really think people are using cloak classes in Platinum just because they are scared of using other classes? I would understand more if they were actually scared to waste their time and simply choosing most efficient and easy way to finish a platinum game. Generalization only, but if I must spell it out: Not every infiltrator is a bad player, but most bad players are infiltrators.
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Post by modusmoriendi on Aug 15, 2017 22:12:02 GMT
Ultra Rare character with two of the best Ultra Rare guns viable on Platinum? Why, thanks Captain Obvious! But, but, but, it was three GREAT Top tier Ultra Rare Angara Avengers, their fierce weapons, their sky high apex scores and all their cloaking greatness! All aggro on squishy li'l me whenever they cloaked away into oblivion. Everything shot at squishy li'l me from every corner of the map when they cloaked. But, still the Angara sorority failed. It ain't gonna be that obvious when YOU give it a shot against the angara sorority Captain Dubious. Pah! I've brought my suck to PUG Platinum games with my Fishbowl Girls, Vampire Hesh I, and Challenge weapon of the day (Charger S was oddly viable... for priming...). Still managed to top that list often enough with three cloakers, Vengeful Angel PUGs or not. If I can do that... And extract... Let's just say Platinum isn't all that 1337. Or that the score list must be wonky somehow. (Alternative explanation, there are PUGs who really suck at this, and not in a pleasant way.) >.>
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Post by RonnieBlastoff on Aug 15, 2017 23:00:38 GMT
To call cakeycheeks platinum viable would mean that she can handle all aspects of platinum. And just like the angara avenger, she is not taking down any progenators by herself. Angara avenger is one of the best "infiltrators" and infiltrators do nothing but basically cheat the game. The entire challenge in the game is negated when someone goes cloak, there is nothing spectacular or amazing about it.
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Post by seductivewizard on Aug 16, 2017 6:15:55 GMT
Come on. Be reasonable.You really think people are using cloak classes in Platinum just because they are scared of using other classes? I would understand more if they were actually scared to waste their time and simply choosing most efficient and easy way to finish a platinum game. Generalization only, but if I must spell it out: Not every infiltrator is a bad player, but most bad players are infiltrators.Ayye, Ayye, Ayye
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Post by Sergeant Xerox on Aug 16, 2017 7:07:56 GMT
Come on. Be reasonable.You really think people are using cloak classes in Platinum just because they are scared of using other classes? I would understand more if they were actually scared to waste their time and simply choosing most efficient and easy way to finish a platinum game. Generalization only, but if I must spell it out: Not every infiltrator is a bad player, but most bad players are infiltrators. That's correlation, not causation. Infiltrators present the most benefits than the other classes on Platinum. Simply because Infiltrators offer better survivability, especially during Objective waves. So what you see is a flooded player base that flocks toward Infiltrators to take on the hardest difficulty in the game, using what benefits the team the most and what gives them a better chance to complete the mission to get that sweet 100,000 credits. It's like how the Geth Juggernaut was in ME3MP. Most "bad" players play Infiltrators? Sure, but that's because it gives them the ability to step up to a much higher difficulty than they're used to so that is what you're seeing in your lobbies. Side note: The "bad" players I've had experience playing with have mostly been Krogan.
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Post by guanxi on Aug 16, 2017 8:57:51 GMT
Avenging is part of pug life. If you won't answer the call I will but at least take your turn every now and then. I've played with Elite APEX teams and they all use an avenger because anything less is sub-optimal. Belittle the noble Avenging pug all you want but she's got your back, she does the objectives for you and she's always up for a game. She's a keeper.
Did you ever think maybe she's not made for you, but for those who otherwise wouldn't feel comfortable doing platinum and without her it would be a bit of a ghost town wouldn't it?
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Post by TheThirdRace on Aug 16, 2017 11:21:22 GMT
The Angara Avenger is a great character for the player playing it but it's very bad for her teammates.
The dump of aggro is is severely limiting the survivability of the other players.
I'm glad if I go down only once a wave when I get 3 infiltrators as teammates. If it's only 1 infiltrator, I usually go 2 waves in between going down.
I consider most players as sissies, they run instead of killing what is in front of them. That in turn leaves the enemy free to kill you while you're not watching your six because you thought you were covered. This increase the difficulty for everyone and infiltrators are a big part of it.
It was the same in ME3. We all started in the little room on Glacier. We were very bad but we were clearing Platinum more than 50% of the time. Then we started to run around as a group and just kill what was in front of us. We were clearing Platinum much faster this way and we're going down less. We were killing the enemy instead of running for our lives and this made a big difference. Afterward, we went on each soloing our own corner of the map and considerably improved our success and clearing time because no enemy was left alive to kill another teammate by shooting him in the back.
Infiltrators are good for YOUR survival but they don't really help the team. Everything they can do, you can do with another character without jeopardizing your teammates. The hack is "easy" if players know what to do (stay in the outer area so you can move out of the hack zone if an enemy comes to close). I even do most of the objectives myself even when I'm saddled with 3 infiltrators...
I find infiltrators fun to play and great characters overall but they're far from being that efficient on Platinum (Gold and lower is fine). Although I must admit Stealth Grid characters are pretty good on Platinum, it doesn't change the fact their strength comes at the expense of their teammates survivability...
And this often skews the results since you see your teammates dead while you're alive. Those players then believe their character (or themselves) are better while in reality they're the cause by dropping aggro and running. Granted, nothing can save a bad player but still...
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Post by inert on Aug 16, 2017 12:11:47 GMT
Most "bad" players play Infiltrators? Sure, but that's because it gives them the ability to step up to a much higher difficulty than they're used to so that is what you're seeing in your lobbies. Yep, those are the bad ones.
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Post by manalishi on Aug 16, 2017 17:52:10 GMT
Also, avengers that rely on grenade spam need to try leaving SG at 1 instead of completely gutting their melee ability. Can have 6 SG capacity with either grenade capacity equip or gold power capacity, and still be able to melee berserker to death before the stun from AS wears off. Here's my Avenger build. SG and AS both maxed, and works great on platinum: 6/6/5/6/3 SG: damage, capacity, anti-armor AS: recharge, flash, disrupting Grid: power cells, stealth grid WT: powers & melee, armor & targeting, power specialist BD: (3) Use Grenade Capacity booster and have 8 stickies/grids. I ran before with stickies at one, and then AS at one, but this build is the best of both worlds.
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Post by Transcended One on Aug 16, 2017 20:58:01 GMT
Exemplar is quite fun too on Plats
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