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Post by Qolx on Aug 21, 2017 1:22:07 GMT
Milky Way is a lousy idea. None of the ME:A problems stem from the game being set in Andromeda. This is the most fun troll thread since "The Elephant In The Room." Also I don't think anyone who believes going back to the MW and picking a canon ending is apparently capable of knowing good writing from bad. No worries. The universe is vast and full of opportunities. Coming Soon™ Mass Effect: Singularity. We'll Big Bang, ok?
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Post by Andrew Lucas on Aug 21, 2017 2:52:12 GMT
They need to pick nothing. Just follow the Mankind Divided way of handling the endings, make them aside from refuse not that important, honestly - I don't really care. I just want to see what made Mass Effect, the setting, back. Use some "Keep", system to gather the choices, or none. Maybe some huge time gap to move technology even more forward for new gameplay possibilities. It will piss some people off, but for real, any new ME will at this point. MEA just didn't sell the new setting for many, I'm sure most prefer the MW. The possibilities are endless. The Jaardan could have even be used in some area of the MW than Andromeda.
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Post by smilesja on Aug 21, 2017 3:07:52 GMT
Bioware shouldn't have a sequel for ME3 unless they plan on canonizing an ending which will cause an uproar.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2017 3:21:29 GMT
Bioware shouldn't have a sequel for ME3 unless they plan on canonizing an ending which will cause an uproar. The fact they made ME:A outside the Milky Way caused an uproar so why not go for broke?
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Post by alanc9 on Aug 21, 2017 3:29:35 GMT
They need to pick nothing. Just follow the Mankind Divided way of handling the endings, make them aside from refuse not that important, honestly - I don't really care. I just want to see what made Mass Effect, the setting, back. Use some "Keep", system to gather the choices, or none. Maybe some huge time gap to move technology even more forward for new gameplay possibilities. It will piss some people off, but for real, any new ME will at this point. MEA just didn't sell the new setting for many, I'm sure most prefer the MW. The possibilities are endless. The Jaardan could have even be used in some area of the MW than Andromeda. Retconning the endings to the point where they're meaningless is hardly a way to respect people's choices. Might as well canonize something.
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Post by isaidlunch on Aug 21, 2017 3:34:51 GMT
Bioware shouldn't have a sequel for ME3 unless they plan on canonizing an ending which will cause an uproar. Most people would accept it if it's Destroy. AU Milky Way where the Reapers were defeated by an earlier cycle is also an option, but I don't think Bioware would ever go for that.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2017 3:43:52 GMT
Bioware shouldn't have a sequel for ME3 unless they plan on canonizing an ending which will cause an uproar. Most people would accept it if it's Destroy. AU Milky Way where the Reapers were defeated by an earlier cycle is also an option, but I don't think Bioware would ever go for that. Bioware could make a brand new dlc for the end of ME3 that would change it all. You know what I'm talking about...
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Post by KaiserShep on Aug 21, 2017 3:56:04 GMT
Bioware shouldn't have a sequel for ME3 unless they plan on canonizing an ending which will cause an uproar. Most people would accept it if it's Destroy. AU Milky Way where the Reapers were defeated by an earlier cycle is also an option, but I don't think Bioware would ever go for that. I wonder what they'd even come up with in terms of a threat if the reapers were basically dealt with in a previous cycle. I guess the nice thing is that characters like Javik can still exist, but he wouldn't have the whole reaper threat thing to go on. But I guess we'd just get a bigger version of the Collector story, like they were the reapers' plan B trying to restart the plan…or something.
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Post by auu on Aug 21, 2017 4:01:23 GMT
Yeah. I don't care if people get pissy about it. They should pick Destroy as the canon ending and build a sequel 100 years after that. Destroy leaves the galaxy in a state that's easily writeable--reapers are destroyed, no organic-synehtic life.
I have always disliked the idea of Mass Effect moving to a different galaxy. There's just way too much history built into the Milky Way to do just drop it all.
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Post by Andrew Lucas on Aug 21, 2017 4:11:21 GMT
They need to pick nothing. Just follow the Mankind Divided way of handling the endings, make them aside from refuse not that important, honestly - I don't really care. I just want to see what made Mass Effect, the setting, back. Use some "Keep", system to gather the choices, or none. Maybe some huge time gap to move technology even more forward for new gameplay possibilities. It will piss some people off, but for real, any new ME will at this point. MEA just didn't sell the new setting for many, I'm sure most prefer the MW. The possibilities are endless. The Jaardan could have even be used in some area of the MW than Andromeda. Retconning the endings to the point where they're meaningless is hardly a way to respect people's choices. Might as well canonize something. It's a game. The trilogy is done. You wouldn't need to play it. Your choices were barely important throughout the whole franchise, having no canon ending and mixing them together into one would be fit for a sequel, people already hate the endings so they wouldn't be fully relevant anyways. You can't have everything. At least the whole setting would be back, literally everything, and I would be happy with that. Still, doubt it will happen.
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Post by Iakus on Aug 21, 2017 4:12:06 GMT
Pick an ending different from all the "canon" outcomes (not Destroy, Not Control, not Synthesis, not Refuse). Set the game a few decades/centuries in the future, as the relay network is just getting back on line. Boom! Familiar, but greatly changed galaxy full of our favorite aliens, just waiting to be explored. A Galaxy where Council power hasn't meant jack in years, where colonies have been on their own for generations. Real Wild West-type scenarios where galactic borders have been rewritten. Not sure how you could pick any other ending (you would have to account for the Reapers and the Geth in some way) but I really love the idea of a wilder, more untamed Galaxy in the aftermath of the Reaper war, with different factions vying for control in different regions of the galaxy. This is what I wanted way back before MEA was announced and I honestly think the whole 'canon' choices thing would have only caused a temporary blowback. Of course, Montreal still probably would have messed it up, given what we know about the dev hell they went through. Mix and match the endings Some Reapers were destroyed, while others rule a section of the galaxy, tending their organic "pets". Cults of Council races who claim to have achieved "synthesis" with the Reapers, whom many treat with suspicion (creepy green-eyed traitors!), but they can perform miraculous feats. Or have the Crucible do something other than RGB (reprogram the Reapers, break them free from the Catalyst, make them return to dark space and go dormant for another 50,000 years, etc)
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Post by Iakus on Aug 21, 2017 4:13:00 GMT
Bioware shouldn't have a sequel for ME3 unless they plan on canonizing an ending which will cause an uproar. Well, they already tried the alternative, and that didn't go so well either...
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Post by smilesja on Aug 21, 2017 4:15:09 GMT
Bioware shouldn't have a sequel for ME3 unless they plan on canonizing an ending which will cause an uproar. Well, they already tried the alternative, and that didn't go so well either... The difference is that they can fix it. The same can't be said for ME3's endings.
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Post by KaiserShep on Aug 21, 2017 4:28:52 GMT
Not sure how you could pick any other ending (you would have to account for the Reapers and the Geth in some way) but I really love the idea of a wilder, more untamed Galaxy in the aftermath of the Reaper war, with different factions vying for control in different regions of the galaxy. This is what I wanted way back before MEA was announced and I honestly think the whole 'canon' choices thing would have only caused a temporary blowback. Of course, Montreal still probably would have messed it up, given what we know about the dev hell they went through. Mix and match the endings Some Reapers were destroyed, while others rule a section of the galaxy, tending their organic "pets". Cults of Council races who claim to have achieved "synthesis" with the Reapers, whom many treat with suspicion (creepy green-eyed traitors!), but they can perform miraculous feats. Or have the Crucible do something other than RGB (reprogram the Reapers, break them free from the Catalyst, make them return to dark space and go dormant for another 50,000 years, etc) Eh I'd really rather the reapers simply be wiped from existence at this point. I'd rather deal with the leviathan before we deal with more reapers.
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Post by natetrace on Aug 21, 2017 4:34:50 GMT
I wanna stay in Andromeda, at least for one more game. Then return to the Milky Way. Hell we could just go to the Large and Small Magellanic Clouds. Mass Effect: Magellan. I remember Mac Walters saying Andromeda wasn't the start of a new trilogy. Perhaps the very unlikely to get made ME:A2 can take place ten years down the road with a new protagonist. They could write Mass Effect 4, all you would have to do is have a simple pick your galaxy state option: Destroy, Control, Synthesis. Destroy the relays are rebuilt and Reapers dead with a crazed side quest type faction trying to rebuild them, right? Control someone can make an offhand comment about Shepard and the Reapers being friendly. Synthesis? Our green stuff faded over time. We adapted woohoo! That's it. Introduce wormholes, who knows where we'll end up!? Probably somewhere in Half Life 3.
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Post by mordingrimes on Aug 21, 2017 4:37:45 GMT
Well, they already tried the alternative, and that didn't go so well either... The difference is that they can fix it. The same can't be said for ME3's endings. Nothing will fix Andromeda.
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Post by smilesja on Aug 21, 2017 6:00:50 GMT
The difference is that they can fix it. The same can't be said for ME3's endings. Nothing will fix Andromeda. Of course you can. It still a lot of potential.
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Post by anarchy65 on Aug 21, 2017 6:04:36 GMT
It could be done in the Milky Way, but not with Shepard, and nothing to do with the Reapers.
Maybe even in Andromeda, but completely abandon the Initiative and its' characters, do something completely new (and forget the angara and the kett as well), there's no fixing for such absurdely bad writing
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Post by DextroDNA on Aug 21, 2017 8:42:02 GMT
This is what needs to happen. Fuck Andromeda, Mass Effect belongs in the Milky Way. Bioware need to bite the bullet and create a canon for the OT so they can move forward and keep expanding the universe. I don't know why everyone is so averse to this? If they make a series of events canon, why would that bother you so much? You can't say "ooohh but what about the choices I made, what about my story?" - shut the fuck up. You made your choices in the OT, and then the OT finished. It's a self contained story. Is your life really going to end if the choices you made don't end up being canon? Would it really prevent you from enjoying a sequel?
As long as the devs knew what they were doing and did it right, it's the best option.
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Post by jclosed on Aug 21, 2017 9:04:04 GMT
Nope - The story in the Milky Way is over, done, destroyed, burned and burried.
I do not want to play some necromancy game full with decaying and charred zombie corpses.
The Andromeda Galaxy is the way forward nothing more and nothing less. I know there are people that cannot let the old stuff go, but I do not want the series to be taken hostage by some rusty conservatives that are afraid to change anything. The series needed a fresh start, and I personally think they are on the right track.
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Post by Arcian on Aug 21, 2017 15:29:41 GMT
The Yagh a threat? Please. The victory against the Reapers was a pyrrhic one, everyone will be too busy rebuilding Dresden-level ruins to notice a species of Shadow Brokers carving out an interstellar empire in their corner of the galaxy. Returning to Shepard's story has as many adherents as revisiting the Hero of Ferelden. And is as unlikely, in my view. The Milky Way =//= Shepard.
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Post by Furisco on Aug 21, 2017 15:41:15 GMT
When Mass Effect comes back it will probably be a reboot.
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Post by Arcian on Aug 21, 2017 15:55:20 GMT
Well, they already tried the alternative, and that didn't go so well either... The difference is that they can fix it. The same can't be said for ME3's endings. As Minos once said, "Bullshit!" ME3's ending snafu is easily fixed by ignoring RGB and simply stating in the intro text crawl of the new game that the Crucible defeated the Reapers, and leave it at that. No dead synthetics, no living Reapers+Shepard AI and no glowy green shit. It's not like they would import any ME3 choices anyway. Also, BioWare making Leliana's survival canon in DAI was waaaay more egregious than ignoring RGB, but nobody really gave a shit about that, did they? They were just happy to play a new Dragon Age game. I doubt any sane player is going to bemoan the ME3 endings being non-canon if they can revisit the Citadel, Earth, Tuchanka, Noveria, Eden Prime, etc, and see what have happened to these places since the cycle of destruction was broken.
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Post by abedsbrother on Aug 21, 2017 18:32:43 GMT
Not sure how you could pick any other ending (you would have to account for the Reapers and the Geth in some way) but I really love the idea of a wilder, more untamed Galaxy in the aftermath of the Reaper war, with different factions vying for control in different regions of the galaxy. This is what I wanted way back before MEA was announced and I honestly think the whole 'canon' choices thing would have only caused a temporary blowback. Of course, Montreal still probably would have messed it up, given what we know about the dev hell they went through. Mix and match the endings Some Reapers were destroyed, while others rule a section of the galaxy, tending their organic "pets". Cults of Council races who claim to have achieved "synthesis" with the Reapers, whom many treat with suspicion (creepy green-eyed traitors!), but they can perform miraculous feats. Or have the Crucible do something other than RGB (reprogram the Reapers, break them free from the Catalyst, make them return to dark space and go dormant for another 50,000 years, etc) It's fun to imagine a game like that, but BioWare would never create a direct sequel that didn't canonize a specific ending. Changing the world-verse to the extent you specified would be like admitting they were wrong - which will never happen. Set the sequel 30 years after full-EMS Destroy, and have someone stumble on some wreckage of Chronos Station with possibly dangerous artifacts aboard.
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