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Post by alanc9 on Aug 21, 2017 19:11:15 GMT
The difference is that they can fix it. The same can't be said for ME3's endings. As Minos once said, "Bullshit!" ME3's ending snafu is easily fixed by ignoring RGB and simply stating in the intro text crawl of the new game that the Crucible defeated the Reapers, and leave it at that. No dead synthetics, no living Reapers+Shepard AI and no glowy green shit. It's not like they would import any ME3 choices anyway. Why not just leave the synthetics dead? Even simpler.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2017 19:16:02 GMT
As Minos once said, "Bullshit!" ME3's ending snafu is easily fixed by ignoring RGB and simply stating in the intro text crawl of the new game that the Crucible defeated the Reapers, and leave it at that. No dead synthetics, no living Reapers+Shepard AI and no glowy green shit. It's not like they would import any ME3 choices anyway. Why not just leave the synthetics dead? Even simpler. They were walking toasters anyway right...
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Post by Arcian on Aug 21, 2017 21:42:17 GMT
As Minos once said, "Bullshit!" ME3's ending snafu is easily fixed by ignoring RGB and simply stating in the intro text crawl of the new game that the Crucible defeated the Reapers, and leave it at that. No dead synthetics, no living Reapers+Shepard AI and no glowy green shit. It's not like they would import any ME3 choices anyway. Why not just leave the synthetics dead? Even simpler. Because synthetics being killed by the Crucible is THE defining feature of the Destroy ending, and it also strongly implies the fate of the Reapers which goes against the entire point of making the ending ambiguous. Essentially it would just canonize Destroy. Also, note how I said "the Crucible DEFEATED the Reapers"? It's a deliberate choice of word, because it can mean anything from straight up destroying them like in Destroy, to programming them to fly into the nearest sun, swiching a variable in their quest log so they think the cycle is closed forever so they fly back to dark space and basically shut down for all eternity, disabling their identify friend and foe system so they attack each other, disabling their shields and weapon systems, etc. It doesn't really matter, though - they're defeated. The "how" is not important to the new game. And if dead Reapers are encountered during the game for whatever reason, they can be justified by explaining they were killed during the war before the Crucible was deployed.
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Post by Max Deltree on Aug 21, 2017 22:05:26 GMT
Does anyone really care if they pick up an ending? Control would pretty much keep the status quo. I've said before. If enough time passes, every ending can be canon. But maybe they can go for a mixed endings route. The rise of synthesis-like beings, while some synthetics are being destroyed. Most Reapers were destroyed, but a few survived and left. Synthesis always felt like a bullshit ending, by the way. How does it works? I can understand the reapers AI being controlled by an override, or something like an EMP wave going out from the Mass Relays and whipping synthetics. But this... force that mix organics and synthetics and make both something different? I would also love a RTS game like Age of Empires that takes place after ME3, you choose one of the endings and go from there, reconstructing the galaxy for the next 800 years or more. That could tie to an eventual Andromeda game where they contact the Milky Way and try to go back, save it.
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Post by Mir Aven on Aug 25, 2017 0:10:51 GMT
Make destroy canon and have Shepard's story continue. Nuff said. There were three games with Shepard how are you not sick of him already.
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Post by 10k on Aug 25, 2017 0:33:31 GMT
Make destroy canon and have Shepard's story continue. Nuff said. There were three games with Shepard how are you not sick of him already. Because it's Shepard. How could I ever get tired of the best spectre in the entire galaxy?
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Post by Mir Aven on Aug 25, 2017 0:54:38 GMT
There were three games with Shepard how are you not sick of him already. Because it's Shepard. How could I ever get tired of the best spectre in the entire galaxy? I had enough after ME 2.
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Post by n7vakarian on Aug 25, 2017 1:00:09 GMT
Back to the Milky Way I'm all for that when ME carries on again.
So the Saint's Row thing pick an ending as canon (I would say destroy as it fits more into the theme of the series) and go from there. Doesn't have to be about Shepard but can at least mention characters from the original then tell new stories in the Milky Way.
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Post by n7vakarian on Aug 25, 2017 1:04:33 GMT
Because it's Shepard. How could I ever get tired of the best spectre in the entire galaxy? I had enough after ME 2. A lot have had enough of Ryder after one
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Post by 10k on Aug 25, 2017 1:07:50 GMT
After ME2 I really wanted more. The best cast of characters in the series I thought. I think I actually replayed ME2 about 70 times, definitely my favorite game in the series. But after the ME3 destroy ending, I always thought a story surrounding the rebuilding of galactic society would have been interesting.
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Post by Mir Aven on Aug 25, 2017 1:39:18 GMT
A lot have had enough of Ryder after one Well that came out of nowhere, or did you just thought that I don't want to play as Shepard because I prefer Ryder? If that's the case then you're wrong, nowhere in my posts did I imply that's the case. I don't like how Bioware handled the twins. Making them two people with different personalities although a nice idea, in my opinion, gave less posibility for the player to shape the main character. I would prefer to have one PC with more way to shape him/her.
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Post by Mir Aven on Aug 25, 2017 1:42:52 GMT
After ME2 I really wanted more. The best cast of characters in the series I thought. I think I actually replayed ME2 about 70 times, definitely my favorite game in the series. But after the ME3 destroy ending, I always thought a story surrounding the rebuilding of galactic society would have been interesting. I agree. I wouldn't mind seeing that in a spin-off but I still wouldn't like to go back to playing as Shepard. ME 2 was my favorite out of the trilogy too.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 25, 2017 2:09:39 GMT
After ME2 I really wanted more. The best cast of characters in the series I thought. I think I actually replayed ME2 about 70 times, definitely my favorite game in the series. Bleah. It's my least favorite ME, by a large margin. It is, according to my headcanon. And that's the reason I don't want to ever see another ME game set in TMW. BioWare promised a trilogy and delivered one, leaving us to headcanon the rest.
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Post by Sondergaard on Aug 25, 2017 17:39:52 GMT
After ME2 I really wanted more. The best cast of characters in the series I thought. I think I actually replayed ME2 about 70 times, definitely my favorite game in the series. Bleah. It's my least favorite ME, by a large margin. It is, according to my headcanon. And that's the reason I don't want to ever see another ME game set in TMW. BioWare promised a trilogy and delivered one, leaving us to headcanon the rest. Then ME:A should be right up your street. They promised nothing after one game so headcanon away.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Aug 25, 2017 17:43:14 GMT
Bleah. It's my least favorite ME, by a large margin. It is, according to my headcanon. And that's the reason I don't want to ever see another ME game set in TMW. BioWare promised a trilogy and delivered one, leaving us to headcanon the rest. Then ME:A should be right up your street. They promised nothing after one game so headcanon away. Actually they talked numerous times about there being more than one game set in Andromeda.
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Post by Sondergaard on Aug 25, 2017 17:47:08 GMT
Then ME:A should be right up your street. They promised nothing after one game so headcanon away. Actually they talked numerous times about there being more than one game set in Andromeda. Really? Can't recall them saying anything about sequels, just other media such as books and comics.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Aug 25, 2017 17:48:36 GMT
Actually they talked numerous times about there being more than one game set in Andromeda. Really? Can't recall them saying anything about sequels, just other media such as books and comics. Yeah. For example they talked about how this game would be in the Heleus Cluster and in future games we would expand more and more into Andromeda.
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Post by LogicGunn on Aug 25, 2017 17:54:02 GMT
And maybe don't make everybody austrailian. Make them all Scottish. Do you know how many accents there are up here? The big bad could be Aberdonian. No one would understand them. It'd be a hell of a plot twist if you spent a game trying to bring down an evil Aberdonian Yahg only to find s/he was actually flouncing around trying to fix the endings of ME3...
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Post by LogicGunn on Aug 25, 2017 17:55:56 GMT
Forget Andromeda 2, we all want a continuation in the Milky Way. >How can it be done? Follow the Volition model, by that I mean that you pick an ending for a previous game, declare it non-canon to not piss off all the fans, and build a new game on it. I.E look at agents of mayham, a game entirely based off one ending from Saints Row: Gat out of Hell >Which endings do they pick then? Control or Destroy. Pox on synthesis or refuse. But seriously it would be best if it was control since you can get to keep the relays, plus the geth if you hadn't genocide them. Although I'm personally a destroy person and prefer that. >How long after ME3 ending? 100 years? Have some characters from the old trilogy make cameos, Shepard is immortalized if they pick control or destroy. If destroy is the non-canon pick, then there should be references to Shepard being alive and well via dialogue, ambient dialogue etc.. >what's the new threat The Yagh. They're strong like Krogans, smart like Salarians, disciplined like Turians and adaptable like humans. They're a much more menacing threat than the Kett ever were. >what else We're back in the Milky Way with a plethora of new opportunities in new characters, environments and stories to be told Classic case of nostalgia clouding sensibility. We don't "all want a continuation in the Milky Way". If it happens, I'll play it. But if it happens there's no guarantee it would actually be a good game. It's not all about location. Also, Shep should be in a log cabin somewhere with a her blue goddess making babies, reading and chopping wood.
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Post by vomder on Aug 25, 2017 17:56:59 GMT
They literally have an entire galaxy in which not only can they tell all sorts of stories, but also have all kinds of different genres for games. And setting it before the ending of ME3 completely removes having to worry about picking an "ending".
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Post by ivymorosa on Aug 25, 2017 18:48:27 GMT
Shepard is dead. Let's rest it in peace. We continue with Andromeda. So many interesting things have been left out of the way.
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Post by alanc9 on Aug 25, 2017 19:08:57 GMT
Why not just leave the synthetics dead? Even simpler. Because synthetics being killed by the Crucible is THE defining feature of the Destroy ending, and it also strongly implies the fate of the Reapers which goes against the entire point of making the ending ambiguous. Essentially it would just canonize Destroy. Yes, exactly. I was looking for the problem with simply canonizing Destroy. As opposed to canonizing MEHEM, which your proposal is tantamount to. (If you're making a straight up happier-ending play, that's fine, but do it openly.) Like I said upthread -- or that other thread? --- this seems to be getting the worst of both worlds, as you're paying both the canonization costs and the retcon costs. But I freely admit this is because you're trying to solve a problem I don't have, so I'm not going to have any emotional appreciation of the proposal. I'm pretty sure I could follow a logical breakdown thoug. So, what specific problem are you trying to solve here?
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Post by clips7 on Aug 27, 2017 17:28:33 GMT
Why not just leave the synthetics dead? Even simpler. Because synthetics being killed by the Crucible is THE defining feature of the Destroy ending, and it also strongly implies the fate of the Reapers which goes against the entire point of making the ending ambiguous. Essentially it would just canonize Destroy. Also, note how I said "the Crucible DEFEATED the Reapers"? It's a deliberate choice of word, because it can mean anything from straight up destroying them like in Destroy, to programming them to fly into the nearest sun, swiching a variable in their quest log so they think the cycle is closed forever so they fly back to dark space and basically shut down for all eternity, disabling their identify friend and foe system so they attack each other, disabling their shields and weapon systems, etc. It doesn't really matter, though - they're defeated. The "how" is not important to the new game. And if dead Reapers are encountered during the game for whatever reason, they can be justified by explaining they were killed during the war before the Crucible was deployed. I like this outcome you've come up with.."defeated"....it gives you some wiggle room to define that "destroy" concept and it leaves the Reapers hanging out there so to speak if we do encounter them again. The Reaper storyline was touching on themes of creationism and I felt there was still something even more epic to explore on that front, the reprogramming them, to switching up their variables keeps them "shut down" but open for other bigger storyline aspects.... ....i like that idea.
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Post by warrior on Aug 27, 2017 18:42:11 GMT
They should push the timeline forward by about, say, 4.5 billion years. By that time, the Milky Way and the Andromeda Galaxy should have collided as well as have had some time to settle down. This way, they can have the best of both worlds galaxies. It wouldn't matter what ME3-ending they pick by that time either... Interesting idea! I'm not sure any of the old species could realistically be alive by then, and Earth will definitely be gone, but hey, it's a game. It's a potentially clean slate that would force them to be a little more imaginative... You would really have to invent new things to make it work instead of just throwing some of the familiar races in there and calling it a day...
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Post by Furisco on Aug 27, 2017 18:52:13 GMT
Andromeda 2 or Mass Effect 4 won't happen.
If Mass Effect comes back it will be a reboot.
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