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Post by traks on Sept 8, 2017 22:57:53 GMT
Does telling them that Synthesis solves everything and that's why in a post-synthesis future there are no conflicts anymore, while idiots like myself who took destroy are facing the next big crisis in a NY minute work? Step 1, complete ME3 with Synthesis ending. Step 2, Import save game to ME4 Step 3, Start ME4 new game. Step 4, Opening cut scene, desperate battle, crucible fires, terran soldiers and husks shake hands, go get pizza. Step 5, Display message; galaxy is at peace, you win, roll end credits. That's also a possibility (if they make one game covering all endings - instead of the parallel universe stuff). Sounds like an instant classic to me. BTW: the reason why I think the parallel universe angle works is because of a new protagonist. Continuing with Shepard after the high EMS destroy ending would ignore what a lot of players did with their Shepard. Starting instead as someone else in any one of the possible post-ending futures just means that a Shepard fired the crucible off and something happened. So I would've no problem to play in a control-ending future despite having picked destroy if the writers could tell an interesting story for my new protagonist in that setting.
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Post by Iakus on Sept 8, 2017 23:52:32 GMT
Hamster shmamster. This dude is the only one worthy to snap Shep out of it. I have no problem if Conrad is there. I even headcanon that he's the one that pulls Shepard out of the rubble and becomes Shepard's hero. excellent Me4 should be ME3 with Conrad showing up on the Citadel in a DeLorean warning Shepard about the Crucible.
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Post by alanc9 on Sept 9, 2017 0:22:21 GMT
The trick would be preserving the ending/state from ME3, if Bioware could pull that off it would be incredible, its just that damn synthesis ending! With destroy or control you either have the husks collapsing or in retreat, these would make great opening scenes... Then that bloody 3rd ending that I'm pretty sure next to nobody took, but all the same there would probably be mass outrage if they de-canonised it. Does telling the masses that Synthesis solves everything and that's why in a post-synthesis future there are no conflicts anymore, while idiots like myself who took destroy are facing the next big crisis in a NY minute work? On a more serious note: the endings in ME3 create parallel universes, so no ending is canon. Are there actually any masses who care about what happens in Synthesis? Similarly, I get the feeling that the very last thing Control fans want is to let Bio handle a post-Control future. The chance they'd do something compatible with your Shepard is... about zero?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 9, 2017 0:27:44 GMT
ME3 sequel involves Indoctrination Theory, or canonizing one of the endings. Both aspects are undesirable. Remaster the trilogy, and rewrite half of ME3 (The Cerberus Empire, Udina Coup of Lulz, Kai freaking Leng, Geth Pinocchio syndrome, etc.).
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Post by Arcian on Sept 9, 2017 2:04:58 GMT
ME3 sequel involves Indoctrination Theory, or canonizing one of the endings. Or they can simply ignore the endings altogether and pretend like they don't exist. When the intro text rolls, it says "Shepard defeated the Reapers using the Crucible" and that's literally all we get to know about how the end of ME3 went down canonically. For funsies they can have NPCs make conflicting references to how the Reapers were actually defeated, to really reinforce the idea that we'll never, ever know exactly what happened at the end of ME3.
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Post by alanc9 on Sept 9, 2017 4:27:30 GMT
Technically, there are an infinite number of retcons available. Your proposal and IT are only two of them.
As long as we're retconning anyway, I don't see the advantage of such a vague retcon. (Well, unless you're a stealth MEHEM fan and you're trying to smuggle that in as canon.)
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Post by Arcian on Sept 9, 2017 4:35:20 GMT
Technically, there are an infinite number of retcons available. Your proposal and IT are only two of them. For something to be retconned, it must have been part of the original continuity to begin with. Player choices are not and never have been part of the continuity in the Mass Effect franchise. As long as we're retconning anyway, I don't see the advantage of such a vague retcon. Oh please, you don't want to see the advantages. You're not as coy about your contempt for the Milky Way as you think you are. Oh gee, I had no idea MEHEM got rid of RBG in its entirety and effectively omitted every scene after the portal run in London.
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Post by vonuber on Sept 9, 2017 15:22:12 GMT
So if we have no Shep, then what do people want? New places to explore with the old Milky Way races, and maybe one or two new ones?
How is that not ME:A?
Or do we just want to re-tred the same old places and things?
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Post by majesticjazz on Sept 9, 2017 15:26:41 GMT
So if we have no Shep, then what do people want? New places to explore with the old Milky Way races, and maybe one or two new ones? How is that not ME:A? Or do we just want to re-tred the same old places and things? Why is it that some people here are so against/irked by staying in the MW yet was not irked or against the idea that MEA was so MW focued. I mean we had like 5 MW races and only 2 new races. Plus the ending of MEA hinted at like 4 MORE MW race, meaning that we would have 2 Andromeda racea....and 9 MW races! Yet that seems to never bother people.... Oh, but lets not retred the same old things....
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Post by vonuber on Sept 9, 2017 15:32:55 GMT
What has that got to do with what I posted?
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Post by alanc9 on Sept 9, 2017 15:34:19 GMT
So if we have no Shep, then what do people want? New places to explore with the old Milky Way races, and maybe one or two new ones? How is that not ME:A? Or do we just want to re-tred the same old places and things? Why is it that some people here are so against/irked by staying in the MW yet was not irked or against the idea that MEA was so MW focued. I mean we had like 5 MW races and only 2 new races. Plus the ending of MEA hinted at like 4 MORE MW race, meaning that we would have 2 Andromeda racea....and 9 MW races! Yet that seems to never bother people.... Oh, but lets not retred the same old things.... That doesn't really answer vonuber's question.
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Post by majesticjazz on Sept 9, 2017 15:43:53 GMT
Why is it that some people here are so against/irked by staying in the MW yet was not irked or against the idea that MEA was so MW focued. I mean we had like 5 MW races and only 2 new races. Plus the ending of MEA hinted at like 4 MORE MW race, meaning that we would have 2 Andromeda racea....and 9 MW races! Yet that seems to never bother people.... Oh, but lets not retred the same old things.... That doesn't really answer vonuber's question. But it hits at the double standard that is, we want to goto another galaxy to explore new things and put the MW in the past cause "those stories are told"....but we are fine with having majority MW races....in a "new" galaxy. Having the cake and eating it to.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Sept 9, 2017 15:49:22 GMT
That doesn't really answer vonuber's question. But it hits at the double standard that is, we want to goto another galaxy to explore new things and put the MW in the past cause "those stories are told"....but we are fine with having majority MW races....in a "new" galaxy. Having the cake and eating it to. Still not what vonuber was asking. But I guess I can kind of understand. After all many who seem against MEA with it being too much like the Milky Way are also suggesting doing a timeskip to where the civilization in Andromeda is even more like the Milky Way.
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Post by alanc9 on Sept 9, 2017 15:51:58 GMT
Technically, there are an infinite number of retcons available. Your proposal and IT are only two of them. For something to be retconned, it must have been part of the original continuity to begin with. Player choices are not and never have been part of the continuity in the Mass Effect franchise. The existence of the choice is canon for any Shepard. You're retconning that, no? I actually have no idea what you mean by "contempt for the Milky Way." Can you elaborate? For the record, my preferred ME3 sequel was always set in a post-Destroy continuity with the relays still inoperative. We actually had a pretty good thread about this on the old boards. I liked the idea of a timeframe something like 800 years after ME3, so Liara could return as a sort of Kreia. Geth destroyed at Rannoch so CanonShep wasn't responsible. All known Citadel races preserved in the Sol area as descendants of the combined fleet personnel. And so forth. I think we flirted with the idea of having the Conduit technology be mastered, so you could step from the ship to theCitadel, though you probably would need strict limits on that. And remember, I don't have your problems, so why your solutions work isn't going to be immediately obvious to me. Again, what's the advantage of a vague retcon over a specific retcon? What problem are you solving?
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Post by majesticjazz on Sept 9, 2017 15:52:34 GMT
But it hits at the double standard that is, we want to goto another galaxy to explore new things and put the MW in the past cause "those stories are told"....but we are fine with having majority MW races....in a "new" galaxy. Having the cake and eating it to. Still not what vonuber was asking. But I guess I can kind of understand. After all many who seem against MEA with it being too much like the Milky Way are also suggesting doing a timeskip to where the civilization in Andromeda is even more like the Milky Way. It might not answer her question but it doesnt discredit my statement either. People want to have the cake and eat it to. They want out of the MW cause we had 3 games there and the story is finished (despite only seeing 1% of it) so they want to move on to Andromeda. Yet these same (I dont want to go back to the MW) people seemed to be fine with the idea that in terms of races, Andromeda was vert MW focused.
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Post by Iakus on Sept 9, 2017 15:53:38 GMT
Technically, there are an infinite number of retcons available. Your proposal and IT are only two of them. As long as we're retconning anyway, I don't see the advantage of such a vague retcon. (Well, unless you're a stealth MEHEM fan and you're trying to smuggle that in as canon.) The advantage is every player can decide for themselves how ME3 ended.
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Post by smilesja on Sept 9, 2017 15:54:56 GMT
So if we have no Shep, then what do people want? New places to explore with the old Milky Way races, and maybe one or two new ones? How is that not ME:A? Or do we just want to re-tred the same old places and things? Why is it that some people here are so against/irked by staying in the MW yet was not irked or against the idea that MEA was so MW focued. I mean we had like 5 MW races and only 2 new races. Plus the ending of MEA hinted at like 4 MORE MW race, meaning that we would have 2 Andromeda racea....and 9 MW races! Yet that seems to never bother people.... Oh, but lets not retred the same old things.... Andromeda is a brand new galaxy that has a ton of mysteries that has yet to be solved.
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Post by Iakus on Sept 9, 2017 15:57:49 GMT
So if we have no Shep, then what do people want? New places to explore with the old Milky Way races, and maybe one or two new ones? How is that not ME:A? Because the Milky Way still had an entire relay network to explore as well as 99% of the galaxy untapped. It would not take a ridiculous breakthrough in technology that somehow ONLY affected the Andromeda Initiative and not the galaxy as a whole to make that happen. How is exploring some of the 100,000,000,000 stars in the Milky Way galaxy "re-treading the same old places and things" again?
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Post by alanc9 on Sept 9, 2017 15:57:49 GMT
That doesn't really answer vonuber's question. But it hits at the double standard that is, we want to goto another galaxy to explore new things and put the MW in the past cause "those stories are told"....but we are fine with having majority MW races....in a "new" galaxy. Having the cake and eating it to. I'll let vonuber clarify his own position. My preferred design is above. ME:A looks like an acceptable compromise from where I sit. We get most of what's important about ME and leave some stuff behind. I'd have preferred keeping that baggage, but not having it doesn't really bother me too much.
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Post by majesticjazz on Sept 9, 2017 15:58:49 GMT
Why is it that some people here are so against/irked by staying in the MW yet was not irked or against the idea that MEA was so MW focued. I mean we had like 5 MW races and only 2 new races. Plus the ending of MEA hinted at like 4 MORE MW race, meaning that we would have 2 Andromeda racea....and 9 MW races! Yet that seems to never bother people.... Oh, but lets not retred the same old things.... Andromeda is a brand new galaxy that has a ton of mysteries that has yet to be solved. And thats fine, but why bring 9 MW races and only have 2 Andromeda races? You talk about new mysteries but yet the games ending doeant hint at a strange transmission from some mysterious/unheard of race/civilization....instead it hints at MW races coming. People want to explore new things but despite seemingly being annoyed with people wanting to go back to the MW, they seem pretty content with the slew of MW races in a non MW galaxy. Having the cake and eating it to.
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Post by vonuber on Sept 9, 2017 15:59:42 GMT
It might not answer her question but it doesnt discredit my statement either. So why quote me? Also, I've not had a sex change based on the last time I checked.
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Post by majesticjazz on Sept 9, 2017 16:00:18 GMT
So if we have no Shep, then what do people want? New places to explore with the old Milky Way races, and maybe one or two new ones? How is that not ME:A? Because the Milky Way still had an entire relay network to explore as well as 99% of the galaxy untapped. People have a hard time understanding this.
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Post by vonuber on Sept 9, 2017 16:01:28 GMT
So if we have no Shep, then what do people want? New places to explore with the old Milky Way races, and maybe one or two new ones? How is that not ME:A? Because the Milky Way still had an entire relay network to explore as well as 99% of the galaxy untapped. It would not take a ridiculous breakthrough in technology that somehow ONLY affected the Andromeda Initiative and not the galaxy as a whole to make that happen. How is exploring some of the 100,000,000,000 stars inthe Milky Way galaxt "re-treading the same old places and things" again? So make the helius system part of the Milky Way and the initiative needed because the relays are still down. Now what? What's the difference?
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Post by Iakus on Sept 9, 2017 16:01:46 GMT
They want out of the MW cause we had 3 games there and the story is finished (despite only seeing 1% of it) so they want to move on to Andromeda. Yet these same (I dont want to go back to the MW) people seemed to be fine with the idea that in terms of races, Andromeda was vert MW focused. Even 1% isn't really accurate. Less than 1% of the Milky Way galaxy has been explored at all! Shepard certainly hasn't visited every world, or even every system that has been charted!
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Post by alanc9 on Sept 9, 2017 16:02:35 GMT
Andromeda is a brand new galaxy that has a ton of mysteries that has yet to be solved. And thats fine, but why bring 9 MW races and only have 2 Andromeda races? Not sure how you're getting to 9. The quarian ark never showed up in my game.
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