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Post by Qolx on Aug 28, 2017 22:15:28 GMT
But you're a mod on a fan forum with zero history and credibility as a journalist... There's a difference. but I did release information on the last 2 MP DLC for Mass Effect 3 and told people exactly what would and wouldn't be included, and was actually correct on what would be in the DLC. In either case if you read my earlier posts you'll know that I never said there was zero merit to what the guy said, but I did say that simply claiming your sources told you something isn't evidence so don't be surprised if people who don't follow your journalism don't care to take you at your word. Evidence is a pretty clear cut thing and hearsay isn't evidence, even if it might be convincing when the guy has a good track record. Right on, I understand your point. It's a very narrow one but it works. Yes, the doomsayers were reliably doomsaying. It doesn't really prove anything beyond the fact that if you call the same result often enough, probability will eventually work in your favor. That, plus the fact that there will always be people tacky enough to pull an "I told you so." Yes, nothing ever happens and everything happens eventually. Also, I am indeed from a tacky State. |
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Post by river82 on Aug 28, 2017 22:17:19 GMT
Yes, the doomsayers were reliably doomsaying. It doesn't really prove anything beyond the fact that if you call the same result often enough, probability will eventually work in your favor. Hmmm, I've seen people say this before. I'll once again point to that Reddit topic which stated that Schreier has rarely (they said never but that sounds too strong for me) been wrong with his predictions and statements about Destiny. This to me says he's doing more than throwing darts at a dart board. |
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Post by Lady Artifice on Aug 28, 2017 22:27:15 GMT
Yes, the doomsayers were reliably doomsaying. It doesn't really prove anything beyond the fact that if you call the same result often enough, probability will eventually work in your favor. Hmmm, I've seen people say this before. I'll once again point to that Reddit topic which stated that Schreier has rarely (they said never but that sounds too strong for me) been wrong with his predictions and statements about Destiny. This to me says he's doing more than throwing darts at a dart board. I'm sure he was. He's been pretty vindicated in his claims, and it was fair to consider him trustworthy. The only people I'm rolling my eyes at are the ones I've seen doomsaying for years with the conviction and persistence of religious zealots. They feel vindicated as well, naturally, I'm just not convinced it's thanks to the indubitable rationality they're so quick to boast of. |
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Post by alanc9 on Aug 28, 2017 22:57:42 GMT
Convince people to go on the record. Cajole, plead, flatter, embarrass, appeal to someone's love of justice or fame (or infamy), start with anonymous sources but then get someone authoritative to go on record "because I already have three other people telling me this so you may as well confirm it", etc. etc. etc. You know. Actually do the job of being a reporter. There's a universe where reporters always get sources to go on the record? I want to move there, if only to avoid the dopey debates we have about such articles. Dude, the guy did do his job. He got the news and got it right, and some of us acted like idiots about it. |
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Post by JRandall0308 on Aug 29, 2017 0:28:25 GMT
Convince people to go on the record. Cajole, plead, flatter, embarrass, appeal to someone's love of justice or fame (or infamy), start with anonymous sources but then get someone authoritative to go on record "because I already have three other people telling me this so you may as well confirm it", etc. etc. etc. You know. Actually do the job of being a reporter. This is raw ignorance. There are a crapload of legal issues for both public and private employees who release information. There are also social, professional, and other consequences. Someone mentioned Deep Throat: he was actually FBI Associate Director Mark Felt, 2nd highest ranking in the FBI. His identity was revealed 31 years after Watergate and 11 years after Nixon died. Felt could have been in deep trouble if his identity had been disclosed. The uncomfortable truth is that much of journalism is glorified gossiping. Reporters have little legal power to obtain info from people and organizations. Journalists primarily rely on potential willingness to talk. " because I already have three other people telling me you murdered someone/this project was cancelled/that office was closed/etc so you may as well confirm it" This is incredibly dumb. Please, think before you post. Everything I said is a technique I have successfully used to get people to go on the record. Now, granted, I didn't cover the gaming industry but I did cover an industry with just as many bullshit "NDAs" and stupid legalism infecting it. Of course this was 20 years ago so I dunno, maybe 20 years of legalistic bullshit has made everyone afraid to talk to reporters. It's crazy -- people will post nude pictures of themselves on the 'net, or Tweet about the ham sandwich they're eating, but they won't say a peep about the projects they're working on because lawyers? But anyway. Here's a nifty technique you can use any time you want to get someone to tell you something: make up a number that you are pretty sure is wrong and feed it to them. Most people cannot WAIT to correct you (I have had people interrupt me before I could finish my question) and a lot of people will WANT to go on record as the one who refuted the reporter's ignorance. For example I have heard that BWE never had more then 3 Full-Time Employees (FTEs) working on Mass Effect. |
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Post by alanc9 on Aug 29, 2017 1:12:37 GMT
I'm still not sure where you're going with this. Even if he could have got some poor fool to commit career suicide, would that have improved the article much? Nice to have, sure, but hardly critical.
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Post by thats1evildude on Aug 29, 2017 1:14:20 GMT
Assertions backed by evidence, well reasoned arguments, and good ol' fashioned common sense proved more reliable than delusion. Who knew hope would be so complicated? Logic knew. I thought that Farscape episode "My Three Crichtons" proved that logic was kind of a dick without hope. |
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Post by Qolx on Aug 29, 2017 1:27:45 GMT
This is raw ignorance. There are a crapload of legal issues for both public and private employees who release information. There are also social, professional, and other consequences. Someone mentioned Deep Throat: he was actually FBI Associate Director Mark Felt, 2nd highest ranking in the FBI. His identity was revealed 31 years after Watergate and 11 years after Nixon died. Felt could have been in deep trouble if his identity had been disclosed. The uncomfortable truth is that much of journalism is glorified gossiping. Reporters have little legal power to obtain info from people and organizations. Journalists primarily rely on potential willingness to talk. " because I already have three other people telling me you murdered someone/this project was cancelled/that office was closed/etc so you may as well confirm it" This is incredibly dumb. Please, think before you post. Everything I said is a technique I have successfully used to get people to go on the record. Now, granted, I didn't cover the gaming industry but I did cover an industry with just as many bullshit "NDAs" and stupid legalism infecting it. Of course this was 20 years ago so I dunno, maybe 20 years of legalistic bullshit has made everyone afraid to talk to reporters. It's crazy -- people will post nude pictures of themselves on the 'net, or Tweet about the ham sandwich they're eating, but they won't say a peep about the projects they're working on because lawyers? But anyway. Here's a nifty technique you can use any time you want to get someone to tell you something: make up a number that you are pretty sure is wrong and feed it to them. Most people cannot WAIT to correct you (I have had people interrupt me before I could finish my question) and a lot of people will WANT to go on record as the one who refuted the reporter's ignorance. For example I have heard that BWE never had more then 3 Full-Time Employees (FTEs) working on Mass Effect. Ah, your comments were in jest. I didn't catch that, sorry.  |
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Post by river82 on Aug 29, 2017 1:29:45 GMT
This is raw ignorance. There are a crapload of legal issues for both public and private employees who release information. There are also social, professional, and other consequences. Someone mentioned Deep Throat: he was actually FBI Associate Director Mark Felt, 2nd highest ranking in the FBI. His identity was revealed 31 years after Watergate and 11 years after Nixon died. Felt could have been in deep trouble if his identity had been disclosed. The uncomfortable truth is that much of journalism is glorified gossiping. Reporters have little legal power to obtain info from people and organizations. Journalists primarily rely on potential willingness to talk. " because I already have three other people telling me you murdered someone/this project was cancelled/that office was closed/etc so you may as well confirm it" This is incredibly dumb. Please, think before you post. Here's a nifty technique you can use any time you want to get someone to tell you something: make up a number that you are pretty sure is wrong and feed it to them. Most people cannot WAIT to correct you (I have had people interrupt me before I could finish my question) and a lot of people will WANT to go on record as the one who refuted the reporter's ignorance. For example I have heard that BWE never had more then 3 Full-Time Employees (FTEs) working on Mass Effect. As long as the pros of refuting the reporters' questions or assertions outweighs the con of exposing just how shitty the development of ME:A was, thereby jeopardising at the very least hundreds of thousands of sales and lessening the effect of the review embargo. Any developer from Bioware who would have jumped at such a tactic is a moron. A moron who would have been very quickly unemployed. Much easier to let you write your little article, then scoff at your ignorance on twitter with all their little friends and their millions of followers. Especially considering the reputation of gaming journalism with the gaming public, which can't really get any lower than it currently is. |
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Post by majesticjazz on Aug 29, 2017 2:23:16 GMT
Hmmm, I've seen people say this before. I'll once again point to that Reddit topic which stated that Schreier has rarely (they said never but that sounds too strong for me) been wrong with his predictions and statements about Destiny. This to me says he's doing more than throwing darts at a dart board. I'm sure he was. He's been pretty vindicated in his claims, and it was fair to consider him trustworthy. The only people I'm rolling my eyes at are the ones I've seen doomsaying for years with the conviction and persistence of religious zealots. They feel vindicated as well, naturally, I'm just not convinced it's thanks to the indubitable rationality they're so quick to boast of. Does it really matter? Andromeda was a failure and EA took it off life support. |
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Post by Lady Artifice on Aug 29, 2017 5:03:49 GMT
I'm sure he was. He's been pretty vindicated in his claims, and it was fair to consider him trustworthy. The only people I'm rolling my eyes at are the ones I've seen doomsaying for years with the conviction and persistence of religious zealots. They feel vindicated as well, naturally, I'm just not convinced it's thanks to the indubitable rationality they're so quick to boast of. Does it really matter? Andromeda was a failure and EA took it off life support. Does what matter, exactly? |
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Post by JRandall0308 on Aug 29, 2017 12:36:14 GMT
I'm still not sure where you're going with this. Even if he could have got some poor fool to commit career suicide, would that have improved the article much? Nice to have, sure, but hardly critical. If you can't see the difference between a sourced comment and an un-sourced one, I don't know what to tell you. Also it's only career suicide because you (collectively) have allowed lawyers to dictate your lives. Cross out those stupid NDA and non-compete agreements on your employment letters. That's how you fight the power, that you're always talking about fighting. If you're not good enough to still get a job after crossing those out, git gud. |
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Post by abaris on Aug 29, 2017 13:55:02 GMT
Hmmm, I've seen people say this before. I'll once again point to that Reddit topic which stated that Schreier has rarely (they said never but that sounds too strong for me) been wrong with his predictions and statements about Destiny. This to me says he's doing more than throwing darts at a dart board. I read his article as a journalist and gave it credit, based on my own professional experience. As opposed to the Sinclair charade, where it was easy to debunk the whole matter by making two phone calls. |
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Post by majesticjazz on Aug 29, 2017 15:23:48 GMT
Does it really matter? Andromeda was a failure and EA took it off life support. Does what matter, exactly? The reason why MEA failed. |
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Post by alanc9 on Aug 29, 2017 15:28:20 GMT
I'm still not sure where you're going with this. Even if he could have got some poor fool to commit career suicide, would that have improved the article much? Nice to have, sure, but hardly critical. If you can't see the difference between a sourced comment and an un-sourced one, I don't know what to tell you. Also it's only career suicide because you (collectively) have allowed lawyers to dictate your lives. Cross out those stupid NDA and non-compete agreements on your employment letters. That's how you fight the power, that you're always talking about fighting. If you're not good enough to still get a job after crossing those out, git gud. Hey, I said that a sourced comment would be nice to have, didn't I? And now you've switched gears and are ranting at the potential sources rather than the reporter. Again, yep, it'd be nice if they did ignore NDAs. What does that have to do with the real world? |
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Post by Lady Artifice on Sept 6, 2017 5:24:24 GMT
Does what matter, exactly? The reason why MEA failed. No, who said it did? |
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