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Post by duskwanderer on Aug 25, 2017 2:01:26 GMT
As Andromeda showed us, you can have time and resources and still blow it. What they NEED is top-tier talent, a clear vision seen from start to finish, and none of this identity politics BS.
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Post by PapaCharlie9 on Aug 25, 2017 2:39:41 GMT
As Andromeda showed us, you can have time and resources and still blow it. What they NEED is top-tier talent, a clear vision seen from start to finish, and none of this identity politics BS. Talent I think they've got. And, at least in the writer's pit and designer's (blanket fort? boudoir? gazebo?), they apparently have high espirit de corps. Judging from Twitter and con appearances, anyway. I agree with hrungr that if there is a risk to DA4, it's most likely going to be about time and money. That's a risk for any AAA game, but the MEA debacle might translate into more pressure to ship sooner and/or for less cost.
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Post by Hrungr on Aug 25, 2017 4:41:14 GMT
As Andromeda showed us, you can have time and resources and still blow it. What they NEED is top-tier talent, a clear vision seen from start to finish, and none of this identity politics BS. No question. In addition to the points PapaCharlie9 made, I'm hoping with the lengthy pre-prod period they had (which is invaluable), along with many of the senior devs still onboard, that it will mitigate some of these concerns. But yeah, it's game development... so many ways for things to go sideways. And it's just downright depressing to hear things like infighting between the two studios, etc.. That said though, if you're not given adequate time & resources... that's it. There's no getting around that. While DA2 had its moments, I think it's fair to say it serves more as a cautionary tale of what happens when you don't get these things...
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Post by duskwanderer on Aug 25, 2017 11:15:03 GMT
As Andromeda showed us, you can have time and resources and still blow it. What they NEED is top-tier talent, a clear vision seen from start to finish, and none of this identity politics BS. No question. In addition to the points PapaCharlie9 made, I'm hoping with the lengthy pre-prod period they had (which is invaluable), along with many of the senior devs still onboard, that it will mitigate some of these concerns. But yeah, it's game development... so many ways for things to go sideways. And it's just downright depressing to hear things like infighting between the two studios, etc.. That said though, if you're not given adequate time & resources... that's it. There's no getting around that. While DA2 had its moments, I think it's fair to say it serves more as a cautionary tale of what happens when you don't get these things... Pre production is invaluable. The only books I've been able to complete are ones I've planned out either before or very early in the writing. And resources are key. Everything you've said is true and then some. But Inquisition had it's problems too. Dorian's quest was very cliche. Vivienne didn't get some depth until the very end. Krem was written very heavy handedly. I don't think Weekes notices these things. Interviews he gave after the fact tells me he thinks identity politics is a story. And it's not. Plus, the family aspect of 2 was fantastic, and I don't think they captialize on it. We'll have to see. I have faith that he can grow, but as someone who played and was disappointed in Andromeda, I get to be a skeptic.
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Post by Crim on Aug 25, 2017 12:39:07 GMT
HELP ME DRAGON AGE 4, YOU'RE MY ONLY HOPE. s a m e
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Post by majesticjazz on Aug 25, 2017 13:21:20 GMT
Right now DA4 is about the only thing I have to look forward to. I don't care about Anthem and ME was put on ice thanks to the toxic internet hate mob that took a giant ice spear and chucked it at Mass Effect. So bring it on Solus. The internet hate mob took that spear because MEA was an underwhelming game. Blamming the fans only shows that the mistakes of MEA were not learned. I hoped EA and Bioware will use MEA as a case study for DA4.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 25, 2017 13:28:44 GMT
Right now DA4 is about the only thing I have to look forward to. I don't care about Anthem and ME was put on ice thanks to the toxic internet hate mob that took a giant ice spear and chucked it at Mass Effect. So bring it on Solus. The internet hate mob took that spear because MEA was an underwhelming game. Blamming the fans only shows that the mistakes of MEA were not learned. I hoped EA and Bioware will use MEA as a case study for DA4. May you love & enjoy DA4 while the overwhelming hate mob is demolishing everything about it. I am sure you will be able to see how objective they are.
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Post by majesticjazz on Aug 25, 2017 13:40:50 GMT
The internet hate mob took that spear because MEA was an underwhelming game. Blamming the fans only shows that the mistakes of MEA were not learned. I hoped EA and Bioware will use MEA as a case study for DA4. May you love & enjoy DA4 while the overwhelming hate mob is demolishing everything about it. I am sure you will be able to see how objective they are. But pointing the finger soley at the internet is essentially ignoring the fact that MEA had many problems going on with it. First people didnt want to believe MEA isnt getting sp DLC. Now that it is confirmed, instead of coming to terms that the game was not as popular as EA wanted due to many problems, these same people now simply blame the internet.
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Post by Solas on Aug 25, 2017 13:59:11 GMT
r e l a t a b l e.. relatable
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Post by Deleted on Aug 25, 2017 14:15:24 GMT
May you love & enjoy DA4 while the overwhelming hate mob is demolishing everything about it. I am sure you will be able to see how objective they are. But pointing the finger soley at the internet is essentially ignoring the fact that MEA had many problems going on with it. First people didnt want to believe MEA isnt getting sp DLC. Now that it is confirmed, instead of coming to terms that the game was not as popular as EA wanted due to many problems, these same people now simply blame the internet. You have no real reason to bring this up. The roots of the impending failure of DA4 are set by the Inquisition. It is a deeply flawed, broken and unfinished game that barely holds itself together, that only managed to stay afloat by the vagaries of fate and internet that at the time of release by some reason was willing to overlook the messy state the franchise is in. The good will is all used up now, so DA franchise, and perhaps even the Inquisition retroactively, will get the critique they deserve (and that they do not, but that comes with the territory). And if not, well, DA was born lucky, and never underestimate the staying power of the Elves over the gamers' minds. Inquisition earned the praise it received no more than Andromeda warranted the hate hysteria.
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Post by House Targaryen on Aug 25, 2017 17:16:49 GMT
All hope is lost. Read my signature.
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Post by NeverlandHunter on Aug 25, 2017 17:22:44 GMT
I know I'll love DA4 no matter what, because I hold an obsessive love for the franchise, but I really do hope it does well. I don't like the thought of what a poorly received DA4 would do to BioWare. Anthem already has me nervous. If it doesn't do well, poor BioWare, if it does and DA4 doesn't... will EA completely give BioWare over to the dark online side?
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Post by brandoftime on Aug 25, 2017 19:23:32 GMT
I guess I'm weird, but Inquisition was the game that got me into the rest of BW products . . . I think if they keep away from ram horn quests in the Hinterlands kind of stuff, they will give us a great game. Trespasser teases the type of gameplay going forward. Not open world, but large size zones, all different and lots to do. Definitely not boring. The upside down library level and the Qunari fortress were just great fun. And the character interactions - what can top Solas - cutting off your hand as you tell him you will save him anyway!
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Post by thats1evildude on Aug 29, 2017 17:06:00 GMT
I'm rather hopeful about an upcoming RPG called Vampyr, which is set to come out on both consoles and PC in November. It's not a party-based RPG and you can't customize the protagonist, but you do converse with NPCs using a dialogue wheel and build your character's combat skills. The same developers did Life is Strange, which I hear is quite good. This is a fairly dry run-down of the gameplay and plot: www.rpgwatch.com/articles/vampyr-preview-414.htmlThe trailer:
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Post by fchopin on Aug 29, 2017 20:07:27 GMT
I'm rather hopeful about an upcoming RPG called Vampyr, which is set to come out on both consoles and PC in November. It's not a party-based RPG and you can't customize the protagonist, but you do converse with NPCs using a dialogue wheel and build your character's combat skills. The same developers did Life is Strange, which I hear is quite good. This is a fairly dry run-down of the gameplay and plot: www.rpgwatch.com/articles/vampyr-preview-414.htmlThe trailer: I have been keeping an eye out for this game for a few months but I still have not figured out if it is first person or third person. We need to be Sherlock Holmes to figure out what some of the new games will have in them nowadays.
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Post by thats1evildude on Aug 29, 2017 20:23:33 GMT
Third person, based on the gameplay videos I've seen.
BTW, Jonathan has the same VA as Rylen and Thornton in DAI.
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Post by naughtynomad on Aug 30, 2017 13:52:05 GMT
Eh, not to interested in that game by the looks of it, but I do still have some hopes for Greedfall.
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Post by fairdragon on Jun 15, 2022 8:44:30 GMT
unfortunately this is still the case. There aren't many games I can play. So i hope for DAD to help me
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Post by ClarkKent on Jun 15, 2022 19:44:27 GMT
Now that it is official that MEA is dead, all eyes falls onto DA4. It may not come until 2019 or 2020, but lets just hope that Dragon Age 4 shows that Bioware can be like the Bioware of old. Next month I am doing another DA trilogy play through as I am stepping back into the world of Thedas. Do you think Bioware Edmonton has more pressure now regarding DA4?
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Post by necrowaif on Jun 15, 2022 19:46:47 GMT
RISE THREAD LONG SINCE DEAD AND HAUNT THE FORUMS ONCE AGAIN
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Post by FireAndBlood on Jul 11, 2022 11:29:41 GMT
This thread was nearly five years dead, how the fuck did anyone find it to necro it?!?!?
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Post by colfoley on Jul 11, 2022 12:01:23 GMT
The crazy part is I am being mandellaed like crazy right now because I distinctly remember this thread being a lot newer.
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Post by thebobzilla84 on Jul 12, 2022 9:50:20 GMT
I’m cautiously optimistic about DA4 but I’m also keeping my expectations ridiculously low cause if they bring back the HoF and give them the typical BioWare treatment “Death” I’ll completely stop supporting BioWare going forward.
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Post by kotoreffect3 on Jul 12, 2022 15:15:56 GMT
Eh it is a damn majesticjazz thread that got necro'd at that. Does he still post here? Or did he go into hiding after cyberpunk?
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