Will or should DA4 return to the darker roots that DAO had?

Well granted BioWare has made both arguments...via Solas's perspective and his observations in the Fade, which does reflect the feelings of those involved.

However I think the latter perspective is probably a bit more...likely, given that they gave him that speech about Anora running around in her pig tales and that he *had reasons* for being such a delusional, ultranationalist, slaver.

They absolutely tried to make the Qun seem less horrifying. It got portrayed as a society which, sure it's a little authoritarian, but it's accepting of EVERYONE, and is totally tolerant and laid back (free sex whenever you want!)

Little details from DAO and DA2 were largely downplayed. Like the fate of mages under the Qun. How you have zero individual identity. Your "name" is a job title, and even your gender is assigned to you by the Tamassrans. No family units, just breeding programs that make Tevinter seem tame.  But according to Iron Bull, it ain't so bad. Just all the fighting on Serheron sucked.

Note he didn't leave the Qun until the Chargers were in danger. NOT because he was at all ideologically opposed to the Qun's teachings.

which the delicious irony here is that for all iron bulls humanness when it comes to transgenderism is that in Qunari lands the individual does not get a choice. Only the Tamassarans can decide which gender you are or aren't.

The question then becomes 'are they'? Based on the events of DAI my answer to that question is and always will be a firm 'no' (and the marketing for 4 plus Tevinter Nights makes it seem darker...as in literally darker in this case Still.)

There are human languages ON EARTH with non-gendered pronouns. English, for instance.

Nobody is claiming that Asari have an equivalent for he/him.

And yeah, lets base all decisions purely on what sirpetrakus and his friends do and don't like. I'm sure that won't go poorly for ANYONE.

Caring about the Chargers is ideologically opposed to the Qun, however.

But I didn't say Iron Bull was ideologically opposed. I said aspects of his character conflict with the philosophy. He is attempting to reconcile two sides of himself that simply cannot be reconciled.

it's nonsense to assume the Asari don't have awareness of genders given all the other races do.

Some people don't like it. Me its very in line with how I've always viewed the Asari so I didn't mind it.

Jesus christ.



No, actually, it doesn't. In the exchange on the Nexus, the Asari represntative says that some Asari prefer male pronouns (as in the male pronouns of OTHER LANGUAGES), and some gravitate towards gender-neutral pronouns. The Angara representative offers to provide a list of Angaran pronouns. At no point are the pronouns of native Asari language discussed at all. It doesn't even specifically say that certain Asari identify as male or non-gendered, for all we know, they just prefer those words for aesthetic reasons, like the sound of them. It does not claim that any Asari are transgender.

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Even in previous games in the trilogy, Liara *never* says all Asari identify as women. She says "Male and female have no meaning for us", she also says "I am *not precisely a woman*".

So, not only does Mass Effect Andromeda not say what you claim it does, but it also does not conflict with previous information, and Liara's statements may even be read as support. It's perfectly plausible that most Asari might default to accepting the feminine pronouns used by other species, for ease of communication, while others might reject them.


Oh! "People didn't like it". Alright then, let's not have pineapple on pizza, because "people didn't like it", lets get rid of civil rights because PEOPLE DIDN'T LIKE IT. Let's not have comprehensive sex education because PEEPO DUN LIEK ET.

So amazing that Twitter invented pronouns.

Speaking of Liara and the Shepard Trilogy supporting this, there is also Aethyta referring to herself as Liara's father, using a non-female term for herself since as she put it "I'm not the one that popped her out" instead of calling herself something like her other mother as Shepard says. 

So because a few idiots made a Youtube video, their word is gospel and represents everyone's collective will?