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Post by cypherj on Aug 21, 2017 20:09:42 GMT
Whenever people quote press releases I always wonder what they thought the company was going to say. "The game didn't live up to our expectations so we're cutting our loses and not releasing any more SP content." This one makes sense. As I said, I always took their promotions as aggressively pushing MP. They can push MP, but unless the next game is going to be ME Online, it doesn't make sense to never intend on releasing any SP content, and think you're going to be successful in releasing more SP games. Unless like I said in my other post, they don;t intend on continuing the series at all, and they're trying to push all the ME players to Anthem.
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Post by abaris on Aug 21, 2017 20:17:58 GMT
They can push MP, but unless the next game is going to be ME Online, it doesn't make sense to never intend on releasing any SP content, and think you're going to be successful in releasing more SP games. Unless like I said in my other post, they don;t intend on continuing the series at all, and they're trying to push all the ME players to Anthem. Noone says they're planning on SP heavy games in the foreseeable future. And there's continuing the series and continuing the series - MMO style. Maybe with an SP apendix.
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Post by cypherj on Aug 21, 2017 20:48:01 GMT
They can push MP, but unless the next game is going to be ME Online, it doesn't make sense to never intend on releasing any SP content, and think you're going to be successful in releasing more SP games. Unless like I said in my other post, they don;t intend on continuing the series at all, and they're trying to push all the ME players to Anthem. Noone says they're planning on SP heavy games in the foreseeable future. And there's continuing the series and continuing the series - MMO style. Maybe with an SP apendix. Well, I said it makes sense if the next game is going to be ME online, which wouldn't shock me. Online game that's easy to progress through solo if you choose.
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Post by SwobyJ on Aug 21, 2017 21:02:59 GMT
My reading, from official and unofficial personal sources*, is that there was earlier consideration of DLCs and beyond (Mass Effect Archives used for more), but as the development fell apart making the game happen, these were stripped down and decided to not happen, barring perhaps some big success for MEA sales. But the default being a scale back, focus on MP, and keeping an eye out for the continuous reception.
I still think SP DLC was possible, but I do think it was also very possible we would get none. Bioware sounded very prepared to go either way, opting for a negative for the time being, in my opinion. The studio dissolving likely being the biggest factor.
So yes, 'cutting losses'. Maybe this means no more Mass Effect games ever, but so far, I'll only necessarily take it as something closer to a deliberate break while putting out Anthem and Dragon Age. If Montreal succeeded better and kept open, I'd be much more confident DLC would have happened and a game coming 2020-2021 latest. Now I can just hope that the side media is nice and that a game still, unlikely, comes out 2020-2021 (but more likely 2022-2023 in reality).
'On ice' really may be the right term. It doesn't sound, currently, as dead as say a Jade Empire (oh but they'd sure like to make another one! /s), and hopefully not as dead as a legit KOTOR3, but it isn't the current priority. Anthem is a must for the brand (sadly) and Dragon Age is a must for the series, then they figure out what to do with Mass Effect. Maybe they do prototyping and conceptualizing in the meantime - of course.
If Casey Hudson is indeed in charge of a lot and he's not secretly super dead about the series continuing (its quite possible he is), there's a shot at a return to Mass Effect, and a game that has a SP campaign with SP DLC, or at least a reliable SP/'offline' mode. The brains keeping account of things might realize that its more a matter of a rushed and shaky product than a lack of appetite for Mass Effect. Sure there's the people who just say 'move on', and they have good points, but they're not the majority of the audience and at that point (2020s) there will be a whole other audience available.
*Sorry, I don't mean to gloat, I just have a tidbit or two that indicated to me that there at least WAS intention to make DLC and another game sooner than later, but that this was scuttled to a small to large extent, perhaps pre-launch too.
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Post by malanek on Aug 21, 2017 21:05:20 GMT
I find it very difficult to believe there was never any intent of single player story DLC. And no, just because someone with no proof said so doesn't make me believe it either. They have had single player story dlc for every game since DAO. In exactly the same way, they deliberately left unanswered questions and hints of what was coming, within the game. They are aware that many people don't play MPer and would not answer those questions in that format.
The more I think about this, the more of a bummer it is even though I am not sure whether or not I would have been interested. With Anthem up next it's going to be a long wait before we get another actual engaging story from Bioware.
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Post by abaris on Aug 21, 2017 21:08:41 GMT
They are aware that many people don't play MPer and would not answer those questions in that format. Remember ME3? Galactic readiness being tied to MP? They may be aware that not everyone is into MP, but does that stop them from aggressively promoting it by shoving it down your throat, if you want the whole game? I would say no.
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Post by ioannisdenton on Aug 21, 2017 21:09:34 GMT
My reading, from official and unofficial personal sources, is that there was earlier consideration of DLCs and beyond (Mass Effect Archives used for more), but as the development fell apart making the game happen, these were stripped down and decided to not happen, barring perhaps some big success for MEA sales. But the default being a scale back, focus on MP, and keeping an eye out for the continuous reception. I still think SP DLC was possible, but I do think it was also very possible we would get none. Bioware sounded very prepared to go either way, opting for a negative for the time being, in my opinion. The studio dissolving likely being the biggest factor. So yes, 'cutting losses'. Maybe this means no more Mass Effect games ever, but so far, I'll only necessarily take it as something closer to a deliberate break while putting out Anthem and Dragon Age. If Montreal succeeded better and kept open, I'd be much more confident DLC would have happened and a game coming 2020-2021 latest. Now I can just hope that the side media is nice and that a game still, unlikely, comes out 2020-2021 (but more likely 2022-2023 in reality). 'On ice' really may be the right term. It doesn't sound, currently, as dead as say a Jade Empire (oh but they'd sure like to make another one! /s), and hopefully not as dead as a legit KOTOR3, but it isn't the current priority. Anthem is a must for the brand (sadly) and Dragon Age is a must for the series, then they figure out what to do with Mass Effect. Maybe they do prototyping and conceptualizing in the meantime - of course. If Casey Hudson is indeed in charge of a lot and he's not secretly super dead about the series continuing (its quite possible he is), there's a shot at a return to Mass Effect, and a game that has a SP campaign with SP DLC, or at least a reliable SP/'offline' mode. The brains keeping account of things might realize that its more a matter of a rushed and shaky product than a lack of appetite for Mass Effect. Sure there's the people who just say 'move on', and they have good points, but they're not the majority of the audience and at that point (2020s) there will be a whole other audience available. i ll be 42 when that happens. i hope i can still game by then. I also hope bioware improves and change the me/da/kotr formula. till then i ll replay andromeda and da4.
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Post by SwobyJ on Aug 21, 2017 21:15:45 GMT
i ll be 42 when that happens. i hope i can still game by then. I also hope bioware improves and change the me/da/kotr formula. till then i ll replay andromeda and da4. ME1 - Late 10s ME2 - Late 10s/Early 20s ME3 - Early 20s ... MEA - Late 20s ... MEA2/? - I hoped for Late 20s/Early 30s, but now have to prepare for Early 30s/Mid 30s, if ever Disappointing that I associate my teens with the apex of the series, but my 20s with the stumbles (ME3 ending, MEA generally spread out). I guess I can only hope that it'll still exist in my 30s, as a proper rebirth. My plan for ME is: 2017 - Finish MEA NG+ Insanity run, Finish definitive ME3 NG++ Insanity run, MEA MP to Silver/Uncommon mastery. 2018 - Absorb MET nostalgia. Maybe a trilogy FemShep. Reviewing all MET books. That sorta thing. And finally, maybe move on from it. Perhaps ME3 MP grind if its still active at all on PC (ha!) 2019 - Absorb MEA and move on from it. Get better PC hardware to play it on max. Review all MEA side media. Play as SisRyder for 1-2 playthroughs. Perhaps MEA MP grind to Gold/Rare or above if its still active at all on PC (unlikely?) 2020 - Where is my game. 2021 - Where is my game! So Bioware, you got my attention through my 20s, but I dunno if I'll give a damn after. lol
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Post by ioannisdenton on Aug 21, 2017 21:16:00 GMT
maybe and thats why no season pass was released even though bioware never released aseason pass but in andromeda they made a statement for it. But i bet my ass if the game sold way better and the idiotic base of gamers actully were not running the hate campaign then DLC absolutely would be made since 5 hours max dlc = easy money for 15-20 euros/dollars What kind of bizarre capitalist logic is it that people are obligated to buy and be uncritical of something they don't like so that a corporation can make more money off of the thing they didn't enjoy that much? Those idiots, expressing views about products they didn't like. No wonder people stopped making CoD games, the way the internet shits on them all the time. Poor Activision. i ll just state a fact: Bioware dlc always improved on what flaws the original game had. Da2 dlc gave us tighter combat with less waves and extra setting outside of kirkwall. Inquisition dlc gave us the best zone (JoH), a needed linear mission with difficulty and lots of enemies on screen as they were only 3 4 each time in the vanila game (descent), and the epilogu e with a tight story that resolved the inquisiton itself (trespasser). Me3 gave us , explantaion for crucible (leviathan), a needed linear mission in the requested beloved OMEGA with difficulty and lots of enemies on screen as they were only 3 4 each time in the vanila game (omega), and more time to say goodbye in less than serious mission and epilogue (Citadel). As you see these 3 games are way way way way better and improved once you play with the dlc included. i have done it and they all feel like better games. So yeah a DLC in andromeda could appease the guy who had some troubles with the game. not the average closed minded hater. And no i do state that people who dislike adnroemda are blind haters, it is totaly natural for someone to dislike the game. But hate it and bash it? pfff
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Post by SwobyJ on Aug 21, 2017 21:17:26 GMT
Great DLC for MEA would turn my 7/10 (lightly given after the patches though) to a 8/10. I would have liked that.
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Post by linksocarina on Aug 21, 2017 21:18:08 GMT
At this point it doesn't really matter. Pretty much this. I mean even is this is the case, then there is little that can be done. Perhaps an expansion or other game was planned too but it got canned when the studio got canned, for all we know.
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Post by ioannisdenton on Aug 21, 2017 21:19:52 GMT
i ll be 42 when that happens. i hope i can still game by then. I also hope bioware improves and change the me/da/kotr formula. till then i ll replay andromeda and da4. ME1 - Late 10s ME2 - Late 10s/Early 20s ME3 - Early 20s ... MEA - Late 20s ... MEA2/? - I hoped for Late 20s/Early 30s, but now have to prepare for Early 30s/Mid 30s, if ever Disappointing that I associate my teens with the apex of the series, but my 20s with the stumbles (ME3 ending, MEA generally spread out). I guess I can only hope that it'll still exist in my 30s, as a proper rebirth. My plan for ME is: 2017 - Finish MEA NG+ Insanity run, Finish definitive ME3 NG++ Insanity run, MEA MP to Silver/Uncommon mastery. 2018 - Absorb MET nostalgia. Maybe a trilogy FemShep. Reviewing all MET books. That sorta thing. And finally, maybe move on from it. Perhaps ME3 MP grind if its still active at all on PC (ha!) 2019 - Absorb MEA and move on from it. Get better PC hardware to play it on max. Review all MEA side media. Play as SisRyder for 1-2 playthroughs. Perhaps MEA MP grind to Gold/Rare or above if its still active at all on PC (unlikely?) 2020 - Where is my game. 2021 - Where is my game! So Bioware, you got my attention through my 20s, but I dunno if I'll give a damn after. lol you are young and you ll be fine. i played me1 when i was 27 and i was blown away. previous game from bioware was Kotor whcih i played in my 23(?). There is Da4 coming , CdPr seems to have the torch now and it is a good thing. more companies make good engrossing rpgs. i recently played technomancer an AA bioware feel game that i really enjoyed. too ambitious but still i liked it! . it totally is a clone of bioware games but withou the special magic every bioware game has. this is difficult task that almost noone ca replicate and people do not metnon it
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Post by ioannisdenton on Aug 21, 2017 21:22:20 GMT
ME1 - Late 10s ME2 - Late 10s/Early 20s ME3 - Early 20s ... MEA - Late 20s ... MEA2/? - I hoped for Late 20s/Early 30s, but now have to prepare for Early 30s/Mid 30s, if ever So what? I'll be 60 if that happens. If. man we should drink a beer , you must have gaming stories to tell! (i am 36 now)
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2017 21:25:00 GMT
I find it very difficult to believe there was never any intent of single player story DLC. And no, just because someone with no proof said so doesn't make me believe it either. They have had single player story dlc for every game since DAO. In exactly the same way, they deliberately left unanswered questions and hints of what was coming, within the game. They are aware that many people don't play MPer and would not answer those questions in that format. The more I think about this, the more of a bummer it is even though I am not sure whether or not I would have been interested. With Anthem up next it's going to be a long wait before we get another actual engaging story from Bioware. I stated this on a previous post but I'll leave it here also. In Bioware's official stated about there being no DLC they say... To me its clear they had no initial intention of a DLC in the traditional sense. Full link below if you haven't seen. link
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Post by haolyn on Aug 21, 2017 21:25:59 GMT
bioware flat out said they planned to continue the story in multiplayer and novels. they could have simply phrased that paragraph differently, but they deliberately emphasized that this was decided early on in development. unless people want to argue that bioware is flat out lying then yes, they never actually planned any dlc
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My reading, from official and unofficial personal sources, is that there was earlier consideration of DLCs and beyond (Mass Effect Archives used for more), but as the development fell apart making the game happen, these were stripped down and decided to not happen, barring perhaps some big success for MEA sales. But the default being a scale back, focus on MP, and keeping an eye out for the continuous reception. I still think SP DLC was possible, but I do think it was also very possible we would get none. Bioware sounded very prepared to go either way, opting for a negative for the time being, in my opinion. The studio dissolving likely being the biggest factor. So yes, 'cutting losses'. Maybe this means no more Mass Effect games ever, but so far, I'll only necessarily take it as something closer to a deliberate break while putting out Anthem and Dragon Age. If Montreal succeeded better and kept open, I'd be much more confident DLC would have happened and a game coming 2020-2021 latest. Now I can just hope that the side media is nice and that a game still, unlikely, comes out 2020-2021 (but more likely 2022-2023 in reality). 'On ice' really may be the right term. It doesn't sound, currently, as dead as say a Jade Empire (oh but they'd sure like to make another one! /s), and hopefully not as dead as a legit KOTOR3, but it isn't the current priority. Anthem is a must for the brand (sadly) and Dragon Age is a must for the series, then they figure out what to do with Mass Effect. Maybe they do prototyping and conceptualizing in the meantime - of course. If Casey Hudson is indeed in charge of a lot and he's not secretly super dead about the series continuing (its quite possible he is), there's a shot at a return to Mass Effect, and a game that has a SP campaign with SP DLC, or at least a reliable SP/'offline' mode. The brains keeping account of things might realize that its more a matter of a rushed and shaky product than a lack of appetite for Mass Effect. Sure there's the people who just say 'move on', and they have good points, but they're not the majority of the audience and at that point (2020s) there will be a whole other audience available. i ll be 42 when that happens. i hope i can still game by then. I also hope bioware improves and change the me/da/kotr formula. till then i ll replay andromeda and da4. Being 40+ changes nothing honestly. I'm stronger and in better shape now than when I was in my 20's. I think age only comes in to play with twitch shooters.
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man we should drink a beer , you must have gaming stories to tell! (i am 36 now) Mostly pen and paper and a bit of point and click adventures on the first PCs.
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Post by brandoftime on Aug 21, 2017 21:29:47 GMT
DAI kind of gave me the hope for DLC, this was supposed to be 'Inquisition in Space' right?
And the tease about the Quarian ark, I have a hard time believing after the ME3 disaster about the endings, they would troll us all like that. "Obtw, you can read the story in a comic book! Ha! fooled ya!"
Maybe this business model will spread and the networks can cut off the last 5 minutes of ball games on TV so we can all read about the game's end later if we log in and pay on their websites? Or the next Star Wars - leave us with 'To be continued' and have us read the last five minutes of that online for $2.
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Post by ioannisdenton on Aug 21, 2017 21:32:27 GMT
man we should drink a beer , you must have gaming stories to tell! (i am 36 now) Mostly pen and paper and a bit of point and click adventures on the first PCs. Opening a beer keg right now! Guys bring the wooden mugs!
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Post by ioannisdenton on Aug 21, 2017 21:33:03 GMT
DAI kind of gave me the hope for DLC, this was supposed to be 'Inquisition in Space' right? And the tease about the Quarian ark, I have a hard time believing after the ME3 disaster about the endings, they would troll us all like that. "Obtw, you can read the story in a comic book! Ha! fooled ya!" Maybe this business model will spread and the networks can cut off the last 5 minutes of ball games on TV so we can all read about the game's end later if we log in and pay on their websites? Or the next Star Wars - leave us with 'To be continued' and have us read the last five minutes of that online for $2. PLEASE do not give them ideas!!!!!
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Post by SwobyJ on Aug 21, 2017 21:36:52 GMT
bioware flat out said they planned to continue the story in multiplayer and novels. they could have simply phrased that paragraph differently, but they deliberately emphasized that this was decided early on in development. unless people want to argue that bioware is flat out lying then yes, they never actually planned any dlc I think its less lying, and more using particular wording. I can't really share here, but I had indications that DLC ideas, concepts, testing was a thing that was being done, but unlike other titles, there wasn't a secure agreement that there would be full development and release of them. So it is technically true that they designed MEA for the core game story and content, and novels and comics, and APEX MP updates... they just may have designed it also to perhaps have more. In this case, its less a scrapping of DLC (though in a sense that as well), and more a scrapping of ongoing plans of potential DLC. Something seen a while coming by a studio knowing that they'll be shutting down in months. It sounds to me like designers would have loved to do more content, but management and ownership had the say, and this secured plan was the intention for at least most of the months post-launch, maybe all the months and before. But sure, I think they'd have seen the launch and post-launch metrics and had other developers (Austin? Edmonton?) on a standby in case there's some surprising demand for DLC. Why wouldn't they? They're EA. But it wouldn't have been expected, and wouldn't have been Bioware Montreal. Both of those points being big strikes against chances. I think its a very new thing for a Bioware RPG to not get story DLC and they were just preparing themselves either way even if there was an earlier decision (or rather managerial inclination made a directive to everyone) to not expect DLC production. Any hooks we have in MEA, while to US can be seen as clear DLC hooks, can still technically be done in MP (barf) updates, secondary media, and another game with or without Ryder. Maybe not ideal, okay in my opinion it isn't ideal at all, but there was nothing to say it can't happen.
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Post by haolyn on Aug 21, 2017 21:52:27 GMT
bioware flat out said they planned to continue the story in multiplayer and novels. they could have simply phrased that paragraph differently, but they deliberately emphasized that this was decided early on in development. unless people want to argue that bioware is flat out lying then yes, they never actually planned any dlc I think its less lying, and more using particular wording. I can't really share here, but I had indications that DLC ideas, concepts, testing was a thing that was being done, but unlike other titles, there wasn't a secure agreement that there would be full development and release of them. So it is technically true that they designed MEA for the core game story and content, and novels and comics, and APEX MP updates... they just may have designed it also to perhaps have more. In this case, its less a scrapping of DLC (though in a sense that as well), and more a scrapping of ongoing plans of potential DLC. Something seen a while coming by a studio knowing that they'll be shutting down in months. It sounds to me like designers would have loved to do more content, but management and ownership had the say, and this secured plan was the intention for at least most of the months post-launch, maybe all the months and before. But sure, I think they'd have seen the launch and post-launch metrics and had other developers (Austin? Edmonton?) on a standby in case there's some surprising demand for DLC. Why wouldn't they? They're EA. But it wouldn't have been expected, and wouldn't have been Bioware Montreal. Both of those points being big strikes against chances. I think its a very new thing for a Bioware RPG to not get story DLC and they were just preparing themselves either way even if there was an earlier decision (or rather managerial inclination made a directive to everyone) to not expect DLC production. Any hooks we have in MEA, while to US can be seen as clear DLC hooks, can still technically be done in MP (barf) updates, secondary media, and another game with or without Ryder. Maybe not ideal, okay in my opinion it isn't ideal at all, but there was nothing to say it can't happen. sure, maybe early on they had ideas about what DLC might entail, but judging by the state of the game at launch it's quite clear they barely had the time and people to work on the base game, much less DLC. the author of the quarian ark book would also have to know in advance that her book would wrap up the quarian plot. and by the time the release date arrived the team was busy working on patches while the merger with Motive was in full swing. i cannot see any way anyone was available to work on DLC at any point i firmly believe the teases in game are hinting at multiplayer content. they did tease the quarian ark in an APEX mission brief. why would they tease SP content in multiplayer unless it was coming to multiplayer?
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